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04-22-2009, 12:21 PM
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That's the funny part. We aren't getting any numbers from the traditional split guys, only beliefs and stories. Look, I'm not trying to bust your or anyone elses *****. I'd like to see a side by side comparo of very similar traditional split and reverse split cams in the same car/same dyno. If nothing else at least it would get some good info. I just can't stand when people try to **** on someones parade because they don't like the way they make power. No, it's not a 8 second car but it isn't a turd by any means judging by the numbers.
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I don't have any plans to switch out cams. But after all of this, if the car would have not performed to my expectations, i would have swapped out to a different cam.
I have posts on here, and at the other forum where I explicitly stated that i was prepared to change the cam if I had to so that I would get the full benefits of these heads.
As it stands, I'm happy with where it's at.
04-22-2009, 12:26 PM
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That's the funny part. We aren't getting any numbers from the traditional split guys, only beliefs and stories. Look, I'm not trying to bust your or anyone elses *****. I'd like to see a side by side comparo of very similar traditional split and reverse split cams in the same car/same dyno. If nothing else at least it would get some good info. I just can't stand when people try to **** on someones parade because they don't like the way they make power. No, it's not a 8 second car but it isn't a turd by any means judging by the numbers.
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04-22-2009, 12:29 PM
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I think V6_bird should share some more insight (pictures/dyno na and on nitrous/engine setup/etc...) into his supposed dramatically insane 1000+rwhp 3.910 bore all aluminum stock block setup that runs 8's on Nitrous.
Let see it.....but I bet you won't!
Let see it.....but I bet you won't!
04-22-2009, 12:35 PM
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I wasn't the one involved in shitting on someone elses parade. I said he made some killer numbers there is no denying that. I might have misunderstood rob but I thought he made 485 with the 3X cam which researching looks to be 232/234 split. He is no longer running with the Cartek guys and is banned here for whatever political reason. Hopefully the article in GMHP shut up all the idiot nutswingers calling BS on his accomplishments.
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04-22-2009, 12:47 PM
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I agree. There is no need to argue about anything. I just posted the results of my setup, and I was happy about it.
There are plenty of bad *** rides on here making more power than me, and plenty more making less power that would still outrun me at the track.
I don't know much at all about VE's, or what to do to squeeze out every last bit of power that I could from what I have now. It's not my profession. But I know that a lot of work has been done already, and I can't justify doing something completely different unless it is a big change in my results.
But I trust others that know more than me, weighed the options, and came away with a smile on my face.
There are plenty of bad *** rides on here making more power than me, and plenty more making less power that would still outrun me at the track.
I don't know much at all about VE's, or what to do to squeeze out every last bit of power that I could from what I have now. It's not my profession. But I know that a lot of work has been done already, and I can't justify doing something completely different unless it is a big change in my results.
But I trust others that know more than me, weighed the options, and came away with a smile on my face.
04-22-2009, 01:24 PM
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Just to get something cleared guys:
1- Initialy the cam was designed with cam only parameters and LS6 intake.
2- It proved to make excellent trq below the curve and 410 rwhp. Below the curve is power used on the street.
3- It just happens that rmtt decided to slap some heads on and a 92/92.
4- What happenned? 54 rwhp and 30 rwtq and the cam can pull way past its peak, so keeping a high average Hp between shifts. (Something usual offshelf Reverse do not, they usualy dive rather quickly after peak)
5- can I design another standard split to make equal power or more? Yes, actualy I have a (no split) of same duration that is 12th on the fastest cam only LS1tech list.
Not bad for the smallest cam with the longest gears and only 8* Overlap, don't you think?
Cam specs are 230/230 .612/.592 111+2 LSA
So the whole point is that a properly balanced street combo can make some serious power and you do not need a huge cam to do it. Ticket is Balanced Combo and a bit of "out the box thinking"
Remember, I'm a "Tech Anarchist"
1- Initialy the cam was designed with cam only parameters and LS6 intake.
2- It proved to make excellent trq below the curve and 410 rwhp. Below the curve is power used on the street.
3- It just happens that rmtt decided to slap some heads on and a 92/92.
4- What happenned? 54 rwhp and 30 rwtq and the cam can pull way past its peak, so keeping a high average Hp between shifts. (Something usual offshelf Reverse do not, they usualy dive rather quickly after peak)
5- can I design another standard split to make equal power or more? Yes, actualy I have a (no split) of same duration that is 12th on the fastest cam only LS1tech list.
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1. Smokin01ta 10.219 @ 132.29 (1.38), 01 T/A, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, -1100, 3010 lbs, 3/06
2. LS1Joe 10.232@132.04 (1.39), 02z28, M6, Spec4, 4.71, 250, -1100, 3150, 03/06
3. 01-Z 10.295 @ 128.48 (1.38), 01 Z, TH400, 5500, 4.57, G5X4, -110, 2880, 4/05
4. Magnus 10.295 @ 128.48 (1.36), 97 Bird, T350, 5500, 4.10, G5X4, 200, 2820, 4/05
5. Dragaholic 10.340 @ 127.46 (1.36), 00 SS, 350, 5500, 4.56, TRex, -700, 2850, 11/05
6. SSmokedLS1 10.48 @ 130.29 (1.45), 01 T/A, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, 800, 3035, 3/07
7. Trevor @ TSP 10.510 @ 125.80 (1.43), 98 Z, 4L60E, 4500, 4.56, MS3, -1000, 3175, 2/05
8. Project_SS 10.561 @ 126.74 (1.44), 98 SS, 4L60E, 4400, 3.73, Vind, 2400, 2840, 7/07
9. DMcRacer 10.738 @ 125.06 (1.46), 02 SS, 4L60E, 4600, 3.42, AMS, -1080, 3375, 1/05
10. SSPerformance 10.766 @ 124.22, 1.438, 94 Z, LS1, TH350, 4400, 4.33, TRex, -1000, 3300, 12/08
11. Jason99ta 10.783 @ 128.27 (1.56), 99 T/A, M6, RAM, 4.56, TRex, 1300, 3253, 06/04
12. Chrs1313 10.81 @ 122.67 (1.386), 02 Z, SS4000, 230/230, 3.23, -400, 3275, 10/08
13. GrannySShifting 10.821 @ 126.9 (1.47), 97 SS, M6, Tex, 4.56, PSI 233/238, -1000+, 3458, 11/08
14. PewterZ28 10.857 @ 123.53 (1.46), 02 Z, TH350, 4900, 4.10, G5X4, 46, 3310, 10/06
15. Coach02A3Z/28 10.917 @ 122.97 (1.47), 02 Z, TH350, TK, 5.13, TRex, 2751, 3200, 06/04
16. Camscam02 10.98 @ 121.98 (1.47), 02 SS, 4L60E, 4400, 4.10, MS3, 290, 3370, 11/07
17. Minshall 10.987 @ 121.76 (1.45), 02 Z, 4L60E, 5000, 4.10, G5X4, 450, 3300, 04/09
1. Smokin01ta 10.219 @ 132.29 (1.38), 01 T/A, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, -1100, 3010 lbs, 3/06
2. LS1Joe 10.232@132.04 (1.39), 02z28, M6, Spec4, 4.71, 250, -1100, 3150, 03/06
3. 01-Z 10.295 @ 128.48 (1.38), 01 Z, TH400, 5500, 4.57, G5X4, -110, 2880, 4/05
4. Magnus 10.295 @ 128.48 (1.36), 97 Bird, T350, 5500, 4.10, G5X4, 200, 2820, 4/05
5. Dragaholic 10.340 @ 127.46 (1.36), 00 SS, 350, 5500, 4.56, TRex, -700, 2850, 11/05
6. SSmokedLS1 10.48 @ 130.29 (1.45), 01 T/A, M6, Spec4, 4.56, TRex, 800, 3035, 3/07
7. Trevor @ TSP 10.510 @ 125.80 (1.43), 98 Z, 4L60E, 4500, 4.56, MS3, -1000, 3175, 2/05
8. Project_SS 10.561 @ 126.74 (1.44), 98 SS, 4L60E, 4400, 3.73, Vind, 2400, 2840, 7/07
9. DMcRacer 10.738 @ 125.06 (1.46), 02 SS, 4L60E, 4600, 3.42, AMS, -1080, 3375, 1/05
10. SSPerformance 10.766 @ 124.22, 1.438, 94 Z, LS1, TH350, 4400, 4.33, TRex, -1000, 3300, 12/08
11. Jason99ta 10.783 @ 128.27 (1.56), 99 T/A, M6, RAM, 4.56, TRex, 1300, 3253, 06/04
12. Chrs1313 10.81 @ 122.67 (1.386), 02 Z, SS4000, 230/230, 3.23, -400, 3275, 10/08
13. GrannySShifting 10.821 @ 126.9 (1.47), 97 SS, M6, Tex, 4.56, PSI 233/238, -1000+, 3458, 11/08
14. PewterZ28 10.857 @ 123.53 (1.46), 02 Z, TH350, 4900, 4.10, G5X4, 46, 3310, 10/06
15. Coach02A3Z/28 10.917 @ 122.97 (1.47), 02 Z, TH350, TK, 5.13, TRex, 2751, 3200, 06/04
16. Camscam02 10.98 @ 121.98 (1.47), 02 SS, 4L60E, 4400, 4.10, MS3, 290, 3370, 11/07
17. Minshall 10.987 @ 121.76 (1.45), 02 Z, 4L60E, 5000, 4.10, G5X4, 450, 3300, 04/09
Cam specs are 230/230 .612/.592 111+2 LSA
So the whole point is that a properly balanced street combo can make some serious power and you do not need a huge cam to do it. Ticket is Balanced Combo and a bit of "out the box thinking"
Remember, I'm a "Tech Anarchist"
04-22-2009, 08:26 PM
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hopefully i will take the number 9 spot with some -800 to -1000 DA and this new ported 92...all i need is a 10.73...
nice results again man i knew you would like the cam
nice results again man i knew you would like the cam
04-22-2009, 10:39 PM
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Screw that, i think we can knock Trevor off the number 7 spot.All we have to do is put my 4.11 spooled rear in you car and wait for fall and 1000 ft neg da.You already have a better 60 ft than him, and with better air it should go 125-126 with the ported intake.If i blow the motor this season,we will do the rear change for sure.OK back to the pissing match.
04-22-2009, 10:51 PM
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My ***** are HUGE and BRASS and I polish them nightly. Sometimes it gets so hard to walk. Thanks for caring and calling some "bluff" though. Proof was posted 2 YEARS AGO.
04-23-2009, 06:36 PM
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this is what i would like to see. I have never seen a comparison between standard and reverse split cams.
04-23-2009, 10:42 PM
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That would not be a good comparison if you've got a restricted intake valve size...Given a motor with no restrictions, standard split or square cam will wipe its *** clean. its like porting an intake port real nice but sticking a 1.88 intake valve in it when measurements for the port would really shine with a 2.08 valve for instance. Reverse split would favor this setup for instance.
04-24-2009, 12:05 AM
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That would not be a good comparison if you've got a restricted intake valve size...Given a motor with no restrictions, standard split or square cam will wipe its *** clean. its like porting an intake port real nice but sticking a 1.88 intake valve in it when measurements for the port would really shine with a 2.08 valve for instance. Reverse split would favor this setup for instance.
Accoding to some, even in stock form, RS cams have no place and should not even exist.
That is nice to say "there is more if it is optimized", but what if it is not?
04-24-2009, 03:54 AM
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There is no argument there, but what if there are restrictions, and you still want to get as much as possible undercurve?
Accoding to some, even in stock form, RS cams have no place and should not even exist.
That is nice to say "there is more if it is optimized", but what if it is not?
Accoding to some, even in stock form, RS cams have no place and should not even exist.
That is nice to say "there is more if it is optimized", but what if it is not?
If you cant play with the big dogs stay your *** on the porch. Thats kinda how I see it. Im sitting on the porch at the moment. The talent is definitely there to do what I know works to get me where I need to be.
04-24-2009, 05:59 AM
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The point is to fix the mistakes right the first time...I like to **** outdoors. I dont like to **** outdoors when the wind is blowing in my face 'cause I could get pee pee all over me. There has always been more than one way to skin a cat. I just chose to not go the less traveled route and have better results and have no "band-aids" to deal with.If you cant play with the big dogs stay your *** on the porch. Thats kinda how I see it. Im sitting on the porch at the moment. The talent is definitely there to do what I know works to get me where I need to be.
If you cant play with the big dogs stay your *** on the porch. Thats kinda how I see it. Im sitting on the porch at the moment. The talent is definitely there to do what I know works to get me where I need to be.But why invest money into that when I had something that was perfectly fine, and I didn't mind tearing into? And I thought my results were pretty good considering the amount of money I do have in the car.
I had a cam spec'd initially for a cam-only car. I thought it made decent power for what it was with the stock 853 heads. I then decided I wanted heads and a fast setup. I found what I thought was a good deal on a set of heads with stock size valves. And these were my results.
Like I said before, the dyno I was on had plenty of other cars with similar setups on file. All of them had standard split cams, and most a lot bigger than mine. We overlayed a few graphs for comparison. My car held it's own and then some.
04-24-2009, 06:46 AM
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It's all in the combination guys. I had a 346 CI with TFS heads, FAST 92 and my Dominator 2 cam put down 502 rwhp and 439 rwtq on pump gas. This was not a reverse split but reverse splits do have their place.
04-24-2009, 07:02 AM
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That would not be a good comparison if you've got a restricted intake valve size...Given a motor with no restrictions, standard split or square cam will wipe its *** clean. its like porting an intake port real nice but sticking a 1.88 intake valve in it when measurements for the port would really shine with a 2.08 valve for instance. Reverse split would favor this setup for instance.
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04-24-2009, 09:51 AM
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guys seriously, this guy is making 460rwhp with a small reverse split cam!! everybody thinks that once u add heads and all that reverse splits wont work at all. his setup just proved that wrong!!! look at his torque.. hes making damn near 430 torque with such a small cam. i was just looking at some of the results just recently posted with tradtional split cams and the original posters " BAND AID" cams torque just blows them out the water. ..
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