The 5.0's are catching up....
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The 5.0's are catching up.... http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...p-h-c-i-n.html
H/C/I 5.0, breaks 500 rwhp.
I was just telling a buddy yesterday that it would only be a matter of time before we are seeing big power H/C 5.0s, and then I stumbled across this.
Thoughts??
H/C/I 5.0, breaks 500 rwhp.
I was just telling a buddy yesterday that it would only be a matter of time before we are seeing big power H/C 5.0s, and then I stumbled across this.
Thoughts??
It appears to have traded a fair amount on the low end for the gains up top, and they spun it pretty high (7500 RPMs) to get there...the torque is still pretty low (410-ish if I'm reading the graph right), and is about what you'd expect for a 5.0 liter engine.
Impressive, but not unbelievable.
Impressive, but not unbelievable.
The problem with the 5.0L is that it is very limited on future displacement growth because of short cylinders and small bore spacing. Once they surpass 500rwhp, the ponies are going to be very expensive NA. The LS engine on the other hand can go 500ci if the user wants to stay NA. Best bet for big power with the 5.0L is going to be force induction without a doubt.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
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Im not that impressed if you are comparing it to any of the motors in the LS series considering they can do the same HP with more TQ. I would just keep my Cobra instead of getting a new 5.0 if I was in the market for a new toy.
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Not much love for the high RPM stuff I see....
I agree on the displacement issues, but it is obvious these things have some incredible cylinder heads.
There are still plenty of people here trying to figure out how Patrick got 500 rwhp from a stock 6.0, this is the same power with a stock 5.0 displacement bottom end, food for thought.
I agree on the displacement issues, but it is obvious these things have some incredible cylinder heads.
There are still plenty of people here trying to figure out how Patrick got 500 rwhp from a stock 6.0, this is the same power with a stock 5.0 displacement bottom end, food for thought.
Not sold on it just yet..... This is coming from a previous Stang owner of 2 04 Mach 1s, 1 03 SC Cobra and 4 Foxes. By far it is the best NA engine Ford has brought to the table that comes in your base GT. Personally I want to see more results.
I do know a local that works for Steeda (great guy) and he runs the shop car at my local track. With the Steeda track Pack (I think that's what they call it) he is running 11.88 around 117-118. He spins is 7600 iirc....
With that being said I have watched two 99-00 Camaros with bolt-ons, very minimal weight reduction and converters run 11.98 and 12.03 in the past few months at the same track.
I do know a local that works for Steeda (great guy) and he runs the shop car at my local track. With the Steeda track Pack (I think that's what they call it) he is running 11.88 around 117-118. He spins is 7600 iirc....
2011 Mustang, manual. Car has our CAI, Mail Order Tune and 17 Nitto radials. 100% stock exhaust, and lowering springs. Big swaybar on the rear and I disconnected the front bar.
Last edited by Carter01; Feb 21, 2011 at 06:59 PM. Reason: found the mods for the 5.0
Not for a street application, especially when you are trading off the low end. That could easily be fixed with some tall rear gears, but 99% of the driving I do wouldn't be where it makes the most power, though, so it wouldn't be ideal for my application.
There's no doubt that Ford done good with this one.
There's no doubt that Ford done good with this one.
Good result for the Stang. Going to be a fun car with decent gearing.
I crack up on the linked thread that ricer math shows up before 10 people can offer congrats or post a technical question.
I crack up on the linked thread that ricer math shows up before 10 people can offer congrats or post a technical question.
The problem with the 5.0L is that it is very limited on future displacement growth because of short cylinders and small bore spacing. Once they surpass 500rwhp, the ponies are going to be very expensive NA. The LS engine on the other hand can go 500ci if the user wants to stay NA. Best bet for big power with the 5.0L is going to be force induction without a doubt.
About time! But the heavy rebuilds are going to cost some coin for sure, and they'll have to wait for the aftermarket to catch up a little. The H/C builds alone will be expensive which is probably why FI is so attractive. Probably just a larger CC version of stock heads would be a good idea. I wonder what it would make in stock form with 10.5:1 c/r NA.
They've been needing something to climb back up, but I've got a VERY competitive side and a bit of a jealous streak, so I'll be looking for an L99 block soon or an LQ or LS2 block to try and help my numbers out.
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Wow..
Yeah, $1500 for one head.. 0_oFlow #'s on those JPC heads.. Not bad!
RGR Ported
.100 52.3 35.0
.200 193.3 155.4
.300 262.8 197.5
.400 298.6 208.3
.500 318.4 220.7
.600 332.6 227.7
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Very impressive. It's nice to have a genuinely good N/A competition with a Mustang GT. It just comes down to the owner building it correctly. I'd be hard pressed to pick between the 2 if I was buying new.
I don't want to read the whole thread, but does it say the cam specs anywhere?
I don't want to read the whole thread, but does it say the cam specs anywhere?
^ Sadly enough, I'd take the Stang over the Camaro. The interior quality is much better. I don't think I'd actually DO it though.
I don't care about the weight or the layout of the interior on the Camaro, I'm just talking about product choice and quality.. GM in the last couple of years has just been too much cheap cracker-jack plastic. Could get the same stuff in a Revell Model.
I don't care about the weight or the layout of the interior on the Camaro, I'm just talking about product choice and quality.. GM in the last couple of years has just been too much cheap cracker-jack plastic. Could get the same stuff in a Revell Model.
Anyone who says negative about this is a hater! Think of how many people on here (including me) chase 500rwhp trying different combo's, bigger and better heads, more compression, more cubes etc. - dude hit it right off the bat with stock cubes, cnc'd factory heads, and factory intake. That is impressive!