Stock vs Granatelli wires
07-09-2015, 11:44 AM
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http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/truth.htm
What is your response to that article posted above then? It debunks low resistance wires very effectively.... Would like to know if you have some science to counter that science.
It's odd that I can find very little independent testing and results from outside sources as well... If these power gain claims were legitimate I imagine there would be a lot more people hyped up about it and sharing their positive results. Yet all I could find on this forum was one thread in which a guy claimed 5whp/wtq under the curve, with the same peak numbers. Not terrible for the cost but still far from what you claimed.
What is your response to that article posted above then? It debunks low resistance wires very effectively.... Would like to know if you have some science to counter that science.
It's odd that I can find very little independent testing and results from outside sources as well... If these power gain claims were legitimate I imagine there would be a lot more people hyped up about it and sharing their positive results. Yet all I could find on this forum was one thread in which a guy claimed 5whp/wtq under the curve, with the same peak numbers. Not terrible for the cost but still far from what you claimed.
Sir you just linked a test that was performed and written 11 years before our patents were issued. Respectfully you need to keep up with technology and the times. Along those lines the Magnacore link is equally over 20 years old and at least 16 years out of date
07-09-2015, 01:05 PM
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Sir you just linked a test that was performed and written 11 years before our patents were issued. Respectfully you need to keep up with technology and the times. Along those lines the Magnacore link is equally over 20 years old and at least 16 years out of date
07-09-2015, 03:30 PM
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Sir you just linked a test that was performed and written 11 years before our patents were issued. Respectfully you need to keep up with technology and the times. Along those lines the Magnacore link is equally over 20 years old and at least 16 years out of date
Gonna have to beg to differ on that one, theres nothing about the laws of physics that govern electricity that have changed over the past 20 years. lol You'd have an easier sell with $200+ dollar wire sets if you just marketed them as "really good quality built" wires, rather then magic horsepower makers.
Stronger in what context? Not sure what you're trying to say here. The build quality got better? The spark got stronger? How does it equal more horsepower?
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07-09-2015, 10:59 PM
#107
I like the spark plug wires are like faucets analogy best, full well knowing that a spark plug only initiates the process of combustion, it doesnt sustain it. Thats like saying your going to get a hotter fire lighting something soaked in gasoline with a torch vs a match. lol
07-10-2015, 01:36 AM
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Think about the ignition coil as a faucet, the ignition wire as a hose, the hose head as the spark plug, and water is the electricity. No matter how much the faucet flows, if there is a restriction/resistance in the hose, the hose head won’t see as much water.
Now, eliminate the restriction and/or resistance. Water will flow easier and faster through the hose and more of it will get to the hose head.
If your factory ignition wire has a resistance, the spark from the coil pack is not getting to the spark plug. Eliminating that resistance is where the increased horsepower is coming from. There are eight ignition wires which have up to 2000+ Ohms of resistance. Eliminating that resistance gains back the horsepower which would normally be lost.
Now, eliminate the restriction and/or resistance. Water will flow easier and faster through the hose and more of it will get to the hose head.
If your factory ignition wire has a resistance, the spark from the coil pack is not getting to the spark plug. Eliminating that resistance is where the increased horsepower is coming from. There are eight ignition wires which have up to 2000+ Ohms of resistance. Eliminating that resistance gains back the horsepower which would normally be lost.
Surprised you don't sell a Granatelli branded turbonator.
07-10-2015, 05:55 AM
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Wow.
All this idiotic product/Sponsor bashing is asinine.
If you like them and wanna buy them; buy them.
I did and I didn't see a hp increase BUT they were worth it to me for how it improved part-throttle drivability and responsiveness.
If you DONT like them or can't afford them don't ******* buy them.
NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO BUY THESE DAMN WIRES.
All this idiotic product/Sponsor bashing is asinine.
If you like them and wanna buy them; buy them.
I did and I didn't see a hp increase BUT they were worth it to me for how it improved part-throttle drivability and responsiveness.
If you DONT like them or can't afford them don't ******* buy them.
NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO BUY THESE DAMN WIRES.
07-10-2015, 06:05 AM
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Wow.
All this idiotic product/Sponsor bashing is asinine.
If you like them and wanna buy them; buy them.
I did and I didn't see a hp increase BUT they were worth it to me for how it improved part-throttle drivability and responsiveness.
If you DONT like them or can't afford them don't ******* buy them.
NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO BUY THESE DAMN WIRES.
All this idiotic product/Sponsor bashing is asinine.
If you like them and wanna buy them; buy them.
I did and I didn't see a hp increase BUT they were worth it to me for how it improved part-throttle drivability and responsiveness.
If you DONT like them or can't afford them don't ******* buy them.
NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO BUY THESE DAMN WIRES.
07-10-2015, 09:12 AM
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Whenever I buy an aftermarket part, I tend to ignore all HP claims since the claims are always based on a vehicle that is not the same as mine.
I just purchase it based on a quality / aesthetics / price / need basis. Whenever I need something, i look for the best quality and look I can find at a price that is reasonable. While aesthetics is not always the most important part... I wouldn't purchase wires with a rainbow pattern on them.
I always Google for user ratings and reviews as well.
As far as these wires go, I have always had the idea that the stock ignition systems on ls engines have been used with success on cars up to 500hp, if not more. I could be wrong, but that's my idea.
That being said, I would rather purchase a reputable set of wires over the house brand at a local auto parts store. I don't have any problem spending extra dollars when it comes to quality. While I do not believe that these wires would significantly improve the performance of my stock LS1, they look to be well built and I BELIEVE I have ran Granatelli wires on a 5.3 silverado years ago and they held up great with Pacesetter LT's.
Do I think I would see 20 HP on a stock LS1? No
Would these wires look better than stock? Yes
Better quality and build than stock? Yes
Would I spend 200 bucks on wires? No
100ish with a lifetime warranty? Yes
I would think that a manufacturer would be hesitant to make crazy HP claims on a forum full of tech GURU's and old school enthusiasts. He did do a Dyno video and made it a point to direct the video right at this forum and its naysayer's. Who knows? I work at a University with a awesome Engineering department. Maybe I will ask their prof's theory on these claims to satisfy my curiosity?
I just purchase it based on a quality / aesthetics / price / need basis. Whenever I need something, i look for the best quality and look I can find at a price that is reasonable. While aesthetics is not always the most important part... I wouldn't purchase wires with a rainbow pattern on them.
I always Google for user ratings and reviews as well.
As far as these wires go, I have always had the idea that the stock ignition systems on ls engines have been used with success on cars up to 500hp, if not more. I could be wrong, but that's my idea.
That being said, I would rather purchase a reputable set of wires over the house brand at a local auto parts store. I don't have any problem spending extra dollars when it comes to quality. While I do not believe that these wires would significantly improve the performance of my stock LS1, they look to be well built and I BELIEVE I have ran Granatelli wires on a 5.3 silverado years ago and they held up great with Pacesetter LT's.
Do I think I would see 20 HP on a stock LS1? No
Would these wires look better than stock? Yes
Better quality and build than stock? Yes
Would I spend 200 bucks on wires? No
100ish with a lifetime warranty? Yes
I would think that a manufacturer would be hesitant to make crazy HP claims on a forum full of tech GURU's and old school enthusiasts. He did do a Dyno video and made it a point to direct the video right at this forum and its naysayer's. Who knows? I work at a University with a awesome Engineering department. Maybe I will ask their prof's theory on these claims to satisfy my curiosity?
07-10-2015, 01:33 PM
#113
Wow.
All this idiotic product/Sponsor bashing is asinine.
If you like them and wanna buy them; buy them.
I did and I didn't see a hp increase BUT they were worth it to me for how it improved part-throttle drivability and responsiveness.
If you DONT like them or can't afford them don't ******* buy them.
NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO BUY THESE DAMN WIRES.
All this idiotic product/Sponsor bashing is asinine.
If you like them and wanna buy them; buy them.
I did and I didn't see a hp increase BUT they were worth it to me for how it improved part-throttle drivability and responsiveness.
If you DONT like them or can't afford them don't ******* buy them.
NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO BUY THESE DAMN WIRES.
07-10-2015, 08:10 PM
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Wow.
All this idiotic product/Sponsor bashing is asinine.
If you like them and wanna buy them; buy them.
I did and I didn't see a hp increase BUT they were worth it to me for how it improved part-throttle drivability and responsiveness.
If you DONT like them or can't afford them don't ******* buy them.
NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO BUY THESE DAMN WIRES.
All this idiotic product/Sponsor bashing is asinine.
If you like them and wanna buy them; buy them.
I did and I didn't see a hp increase BUT they were worth it to me for how it improved part-throttle drivability and responsiveness.
If you DONT like them or can't afford them don't ******* buy them.
NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO BUY THESE DAMN WIRES.
At least someone understands.
07-10-2015, 09:58 PM
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07-12-2015, 06:40 AM
#118
The inherent resistance in the factory ignition wires robs spark energy. When you decrease / eliminate the resistance, more of the spark energy from the coil pack goes to the spark plug. The elimination of the resistance in the wires is where the HP is coming from.
The enemy of performance is restrictions / resistance. When you eliminate resistances and restrictions, you get better performance.
The enemy of performance is restrictions / resistance. When you eliminate resistances and restrictions, you get better performance.
And then, tell us what voltage and amperage is adequate to ignite fuel/air mixture.
07-13-2015, 12:52 AM
#119
I've been posting because I've been hoping they will give me a reason to want them and/or at least give me a better understanding of how they make (or don't make) the gains they are claiming. It's not about whether or not I like them it's about whether or not they actually work. If they advertised them as "better part throttle drivability and responsiveness" I'd be sold a lot easier than claims of power gains that they can't legitimately back up or scientifically explain. At that point I feel like I'm being scammed. However, the focus of their marketing with this product is power gain, not drivability or responsiveness.
I'm sorry but someone who can't afford a $150 dollar purchase probably doesn't even own a car in the first place. Flawed logic. You guys say it like $150 is a lot of money, it's not a $5k+ turbo or supercharger kit we're talking about here.
At least someone understands.
I'm sorry but someone who can't afford a $150 dollar purchase probably doesn't even own a car in the first place. Flawed logic. You guys say it like $150 is a lot of money, it's not a $5k+ turbo or supercharger kit we're talking about here.
At least someone understands.