Dynamometer Results & Comparisons Dyno Records | Dyno Discussion | Dyno Wars

5.3 cam only - need advice

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 9, 2016 | 11:19 PM
  #1  
killingsworth73's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Default 5.3 cam only - need advice

I have a 1973 Corvette I just swapped an lsx into. Long story short, it made 350/312 at the wheels, yet all the power seems too far in the power band so it's a dog off the line... please let me know what I can do within reason to help...cant even burnout.. Here are the specs.

Stock bottom 5.3
243 heads milled .017 to keep compression (in theory) at 9.5:1
Texas speed 228r cam
Ls6 intake
Beehive springs
1 3/4 long tube headers
2.5" full exhaust
Th400
3.08s in the back.
Reply
Old Sep 9, 2016 | 11:23 PM
  #2  
killingsworth73's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Default

5.3 cam only - need advice-20160828_185115.jpg
5.3 cam only - need advice-20160902_163620.jpg
5.3 cam only - need advice-screenshot_20160829-134433.png
Reply
Old Sep 9, 2016 | 11:27 PM
  #3  
killingsworth73's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Default

It will spin the tires if I neutral drop, just no power off the line.

5.3 cam only - need advice-screenshot_20160829-152412.png
Reply
Old Sep 9, 2016 | 11:43 PM
  #4  
Tuskyz28's Avatar
TECH Veteran
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,893
Likes: 703
From: Mississippi
Default

Anytime you run over a 220 duration cam in a 5.3 you go start to lose power down low and pull hard up top. You never mentioned what stall you running.... I would go 3500 minuim and more rear gear ratio will help you pull out the hole as well.
Reply
Old Sep 9, 2016 | 11:46 PM
  #5  
killingsworth73's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Default

Running a 2300-2600 stall, but think it's stalling lower than that...no tach to check yet

Last edited by killingsworth73; Sep 9, 2016 at 11:51 PM.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 12:38 AM
  #6  
Tuskyz28's Avatar
TECH Veteran
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,893
Likes: 703
From: Mississippi
Default

Ditch the 3.08 gears and that stall.
I would try a 3.42 gear with a 3500 stall... I think you will be happy.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 01:00 AM
  #7  
kingtal0n's Avatar
Banned
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 2,261
Likes: 19
From: florida
Default

the lack of overdrive suggests this is a race-car only (trailer car) so I feel that 3.73 or 4.11 are more appropriate gear ratios.

If you keep the 3.08 I would drop the cam (use a 218/224 ish) and add a turbocharger (bring power to around 450rwhp) but its still lacking overdrive so not a street car, no economy.

The reason it feels slow is the gearing and lack of boost, combined with the slush of a 3-speed no lockup against a converter and a bunch of weight. Alternatively you could shave 1000lbs off but that is probably harder than adding a turbo.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 01:07 AM
  #8  
KW Baraka's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 2,180
Likes: 132
From: S.A., TX
Default

Originally Posted by kingtal0n
the lack of overdrive suggests this is a race-car only (trailer car) so I feel that 3.73 or 4.11 are more appropriate gear ratios.......
Agreed!

More gear.......and more compression; as much more as you can get given your current parts.

9.5:1 SCR with a 228 cam is not 'optimal' .

KW
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-5

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

 
story-9

10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 02:14 AM
  #9  
kingtal0n's Avatar
Banned
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 2,261
Likes: 19
From: florida
Default

Originally Posted by KW Baraka
Agreed!

More gear.......and more compression; as much more as you can get given your current parts.

9.5:1 SCR with a 228 cam is not 'optimal' .

KW
I am thinking turbo. A 218/224 with a pair of 50 trims would net 550rwhp~ and full boost before 3400rpm, enough to set the converter and tires on fire with any gear.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 03:27 AM
  #10  
LLLosingit's Avatar
TECH Junkie
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 3,845
Likes: 487
From: Iowa
Default

Originally Posted by kingtal0n
I am thinking turbo. A 218/224 with a pair of 50 trims would net 550rwhp~ and full boost before 3400rpm, enough to set the converter and tires on fire with any gear.
Yep run down to the dollar store and pick up a twin turbo kit and have the turbo fairy install it while he sleeps and he's all set lol

I guess you missed this part in his first post "please let me know what I can do within reason to help"


As others have already pointed out and as you felt in the seat of the pants, Your cam isn't making power down low so to compensate you need to get the motor up in the powerband sooner, More stall will fix that and gears will help keep the momentum going.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 05:40 AM
  #11  
SCott5's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (40)
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,458
Likes: 4
From: NC
Default

Originally Posted by kingtal0n
the lack of overdrive suggests this is a race-car only (trailer car) so I feel that 3.73 or 4.11 are more appropriate gear ratios.

If you keep the 3.08 I would drop the cam (use a 218/224 ish) and add a turbocharger (bring power to around 450rwhp) but its still lacking overdrive so not a street car, no economy.

The reason it feels slow is the gearing and lack of boost, combined with the slush of a 3-speed no lockup against a converter and a bunch of weight. Alternatively you could shave 1000lbs off but that is probably harder than adding a turbo.
Just because it a 3 spd it's not a street car? lol.

Your logic is backwards and makes no sense. Your theory of making down low off idle power is adding turbos that run off exhaust gas which is greater at higher rpm instead of adding a mechanically advantage that gives him more off idle

Just add a set of gears first off and see how you like it then look into a better stall.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 07:02 AM
  #12  
Area 51 Racing's Avatar
On The Tree
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 132
Likes: 1
From: Star City, Arkansas
Default

Originally Posted by SCott5
Your logic is backwards and makes no sense.
Exactly

But like mentioned above, start with the logical items first. More gear, more stall.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 07:44 AM
  #13  
killingsworth73's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Default

Scott5, you're correct. She is my weekend/nice day car. The TH400 is what came in the car, and I have been looking into a 4l80e swap to see if it'll fit.

I just swapped to the lsx from a small block that was making roughly the same power. Roller cam, s/r torquer heads, rpm air gap etc. Not really any faster (I dont think), but now get 15mpg or so vs 8.

Would you guys suggest milling the heads any more, to being up compression? That's only a couple hundred bucks and some time.

I will also look into some 3.73s, but then an overdrive gear or two would be nice and help with a little economy when I'm not deep in the pedal.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 07:47 AM
  #14  
dirkdiggler350's Avatar
On The Tree
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 179
Likes: 0
From: CT
Default

Ur converter is way way to small, 3600 would be perfect for your setup.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 07:48 AM
  #15  
killingsworth73's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by LLLosingit
Yep run down to the dollar store and pick up a twin turbo kit and have the turbo fairy install it while he sleeps and he's all set lol
Please let me know the closest turbo kit dollar store to Kansas City! My friend is wrapping his tt setup on a 6.0, but he has spent waaay more $ than I have, and he is a full on 'street car' with a parachute and 4 digit HP.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 07:49 AM
  #16  
killingsworth73's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by dirkdiggler350
Ur converter is way way to small, 3600 would be perfect for your setup.
Thanks.
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 11:33 AM
  #17  
Husker98's Avatar
On The Tree
10 Year Member
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 121
Likes: 1
From: St. Edward, NE
Default

I'm kinda surprised it won't do a burnout. What's your weight and what rear tires do you run?
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 11:48 AM
  #18  
killingsworth73's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Default

Weight is around 3400 lbs. Rear tires are nankang 255/45/17
5.3 cam only - need advice-1473526080145.jpg
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 02:58 PM
  #19  
Husker98's Avatar
On The Tree
10 Year Member
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 121
Likes: 1
From: St. Edward, NE
Default

Back when I just had a 5.3 with a 01 ls6 cam 320whp and stock stall I would start brake stalling and at 1200 rpm my tires would break loose. 3850 lbs then with 275/40/17 nt555. I did have 4.10's. You should try racing, traction is a good thing
Reply
Old Sep 10, 2016 | 04:50 PM
  #20  
killingsworth73's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Default

Stock stall with my old engine would do the same thing. Roast all day.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:19 PM.

story-0
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-1
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-2
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-4
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-5
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-6
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE
story-7
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

Slideshow: A heavily reworked 1972 K5 Blazer swaps its off-road roots for a low-slung street-focused build with modern V8 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-09 18:08:45


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There are thousands of used Camaros on the market but we think you should avoid these 10

By | 2026-02-17 17:09:30


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

Slideshows: Which one of these myths do you believe?

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-28 18:10:11


VIEW MORE