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Old 07-30-2018, 11:24 AM
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hello guys, spun the rollers wth my wifeís car on a mobile dyno, not sure if itís my car or an issue with the dyno, thinking itís my car. Here is her setup.

ly5 (flattop 5.3)
706 heads ported by hand
mamo ported ls2 intake 92mm tb
1 3/4 longtubes
3Ē exhaust with x pipe and borlA XR1
8.8 rear with 3.73
cuatom grind FlowTech inductions cam 228/232 .612/.618 112

4400 Jakeís converter budget line
80e

dyno graph looks strange to me, so any suggestions? I do my own tuning, it has 28* in (commanded) and targets 12.8 wot, but I wasnít able to verify these via data logging because the dyno operator shut the car off before the pull and stopped he log.



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Seems decent to me. Low compression 5.3 (unless you milled the heads) backed by an 80 plus an 8.8 so your probably consuming 25% there, which puts the engine around 380fwhp. A little work around 6k to 6.4k might get you some more power. FWIW my old car liked 26* with a similar cam, 5.7L though and milled 241's.
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High stall converters and dynos don't usually go well together. That being said, they usually get a decent torque reading.
Looks like its down ~100whp over where it would be with a 6-speed.

Does it feel down on power?
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Originally Posted by Jenson View Post
Seems decent to me. Low compression 5.3 (unless you milled the heads) backed by an 80 plus an 8.8 so your probably consuming 25% there, which puts the engine around 380fwhp. A little work around 6k to 6.4k might get you some more power. FWIW my old car liked 26* with a similar cam, 5.7L though and milled 241's.
Flat top 5.3 with 706 heads is ~10.5:1 without milling the heads.

I've made 40whp more on the heartbreaker dyno with a dished piston 5.3 with a smaller cam and stock truck intake. Something is off here.
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Originally Posted by Jenson View Post
Seems decent to me. Low compression 5.3 (unless you milled the heads) backed by an 80 plus an 8.8 so your probably consuming 25% there, which puts the engine around 380fwhp. A little work around 6k to 6.4k might get you some more power. FWIW my old car liked 26* with a similar cam, 5.7L though and milled 241's.
Itís not low compression, itís in the 10.5:1 area as stated below. Iíve had 10-15 swapped cars and they have all been built by me, and have performed much better.
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High stall converters and dynos don't usually go well together. That being said, they usually get a decent torque reading.
Looks like its down ~100whp over where it would be with a 6-speed.

Does it feel down on power?
i was fully expecting a low reading, just not quite this bad. I wasnít sure if my expectations were too high or not, Iíve built a bunch of n/a cars and all were a lot of fun and ran 11ís, but this is my very first n/a build with an 80e. So I wasnít sure if it was me expecting too much or if it was because of the bigger trans and rear, but I just did a 95 camaro with some random pulling tractor converter, 3.73 ten bolt, th350 and a bone stock lm7 and it would blow my wifeís cars doors off. But, it probably has much less drivetrain loss than this. Iím not looking to make big power but I do want it to run properly for the mods, and I donít feel it does.

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Flat top 5.3 with 706 heads is ~10.5:1 without milling the heads.

I've made 40whp more on the heartbreaker dyno with a dished piston 5.3 with a smaller cam and stock truck intake. Something is off here.
I agree. Iím just not sure what.
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How does it feel to drive? Responsive, sluggish, hesitant?
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It feels decent, it feels like it draws through the rpm range longer than Iím used to, but I had chucked that up to the higher drivetrain loss. One thing I forgot to mention, the dyno guy said on big stall cars when he starts out at 2500ish and Mattís it, it flashes up to its stall speed ish. He said my car didnít do that. It just pulled from the start rpm. Iíve been having issues with the converter locking when it shouldnít, would a locked converter hurt an n/a low powe car on the dyno?
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If it locks too early, the engine can't pull freely enough in its lower rev range to allow it to rev and make power like it should.
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Done a compression test? It might help show a possible cam degree issue, valve not closing completely from build-up, compression irregularities..

Low HP due to pushrod length issues has been an issue I've seen increasingly become increasingly more common.
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For some reason I read 799 heads...my bad, which would only lose you about 20. And I found a couple dyno threads on the 60 vs 80, only about 10rwhp difference. I was wrong. What lifters are you running?

That graph looks like a locked verter, which is how I assumed you dyno'd it
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Originally Posted by JoeNova View Post
Done a compression test? It might help show a possible cam degree issue, valve not closing completely from build-up, compression irregularities..

Low HP due to pushrod length issues has been an issue I've seen increasingly become increasingly more common.
preload on ls7 lifters @ .045. Have not done a compression test yet.

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If it locks too early, the engine can't pull freely enough in its lower rev range to allow it to rev and make power like it should.
that makes sense, but once it finally got up to the pk hp wouldnít it still show the correct number?

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For some reason I read 799 heads...my bad, which would only lose you about 20. And I found a couple dyno threads on the 60 vs 80, only about 10rwhp difference. I was wrong. What lifters are you running?

That graph looks like a locked verter, which is how I assumed you dyno'd it
Ls7 lifters, would the locked converter hurt or help?
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that makes sense, but once it finally got up to the pk hp wouldnít it still show the correct number?
Good point! I must not have been thinking straight...
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Iím not sure if that was sarcasm or not, if it was Iím not trying to be argumentative, I have zero experience with locking converters up.

Listeming to the video, it sounds like maybe the converter was locked.

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Definitely looks locked and sounds like it locked up at 4 seconds in. Typically locked up with a stall of that size will produce more power on the dyno. Of course it might not be flashing properly due to not enough power. If it was built with say 350rwhp in mind then the converter is holding the engine back. From 1k rpm does it flash to 4400 at the hit? You should be able to log that pretty easily and if not I would call jake and ask for his opinion since he built the verter and really knows his stuff.
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No sarcasm on my end.
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Definitely looks locked and sounds like it locked up at 4 seconds in. Typically locked up with a stall of that size will produce more power on the dyno. Of course it might not be flashing properly due to not enough power. If it was built with say 350rwhp in mind then the converter is holding the engine back. From 1k rpm does it flash to 4400 at the hit? You should be able to log that pretty easily and if not I would call jake and ask for his opinion since he built the verter and really knows his stuff.
if itís locked, it canít flash an it? Iíll do some testing and see what I find out and speak with Jake if there is an issue,

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No sarcasm on my end.
all good man, hard tell on the internet, appreciate the help diagnosing my issues!
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Correct, it will not flash when locked, basically makes it a manual trans. It should only lockup in 3rd and 4th
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Correct, it will not flash when locked, basically makes it a manual trans. It should only lockup in 3rd and 4th
Thats what I figured, car was dynod in 3rd gear. But if it should ďhelpĒ hp numbers than that isnít my culprit
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So Iím going to do some logging after installing a wideband and see where my af is at, if nothing jumps out there Iím going verify the timing as I did remove the 58x reluctor and install a 24x one. Will also do a compression test.
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I like this car and the story behind it. Hope to see you get it figured out. Looks like you have a good idea on where to start troubleshooting. Was the stall spec'd with future plans in mind?
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