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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 02:57 PM
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Default Highest HP AFR 205 car to date...

Stock displacement, normally aspirated hydraulic roller motor with OUT OF THE BOX 205's....(not 225's!)

How about 535 RWHP with 482 Ft/lbs....insane #'s even taking into account the lightweight road race style clutch set-up which obviously killed his 60 foot times and ability to put up a 9 second ET slip...

BUT...how about 140.3 MPH crossing the traps!!!

Check out the link below from the CF...

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=948001

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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 03:00 PM
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Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 03:54 PM
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"12:1 compression"
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 04:36 PM
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Word has it that they were AFR 205 heads that were fully ported...
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 05:00 PM
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That tq is insane.. Better than most 408ci setups out there.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 05:07 PM
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could you explain what is wrong with 12/1 compression? dont tell me you think that requires race gas lol.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 05:18 PM
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depending on the cam you can run it with PUMP GAS...
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 05:19 PM
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"12:1 compression"
and your point is?

I run 11.8:1 on 93 octane all year long with no problems...
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris ARE 385
and your point is?

I run 11.8:1 on 93 octane all year long with no problems...
Same here. Other than the extremely hot days in Florida I do not reduce my timing.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 05:47 PM
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This is the car they're spinning to 8000rpm though right? Thats a little extreme for most street setups. Impressive numbers.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 06:00 PM
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Dyno sheet?
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by gator's 99TA
could you explain what is wrong with 12/1 compression? dont tell me you think that requires race gas lol.
"We ran 104 octane for the 12:1 compression."
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
depending on the cam you can run it with PUMP GAS...



Damn, Man that Vette is smoken!




I have a 03 Zo6, With H/C With Zo6 Heads on it.. All motor with all stock bottom-end. 473Rwhp 430Rwtq From a 346Cid
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 09:26 PM
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12 to 1 compression is not that big of a deal. Still able to run on pump with the right cam and tune. But for max performance sure...a lil 104 never hurt. Its not like if it were 11.7 to 1 compression it would have been a dog.

I believe from the link posted they were only spinning to low to mid 7000's in rpm range. Its still a hyd cam.

VERY impressive. A set of AFR 225s with a sold roller setup may be in my future.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by VTESPEED
Word has it that they were AFR 205 heads that were fully ported...
Yes...you are right....they were FULLY ported on AFR's 5 axis CNC porting equipment.

These heads were out of the box AFR 205's....red labeled to Wylie Texas to try and give Lou enough time to get the head swap done in time for the event.

The engine made peak HP at 67-6800 and if I recall was still producing 500 RWHP as high as 7500. The torque is especially brutal for such a small displacement engine. Those kind of torque numbers would convert to approximately 550 ft/lbs. on an engine dyno.

By the way, I certainly never portrayed this build-up as a "street" engine by any means....I brought it to everyone's attention purely to feature what is possible and quite frankly the results are still impressive all things considered, BUT....the bottom line is that this is still a normally aspirated 346 with a hydraulic roller cam. You COULD actually put it in a very aggresive week-end warrior style vehicle without a problem....except for scaring the neighbors when you fired it up to drive it around the block.

One thing is for sure, this build-up certainly exploits and taps into the well of power available from our street friendly 205's....They are "the little heads that could" and AFR couldn't have been happier with the recent results posted from Lou's car. Could it be there is more to making power than large ports with big "advertised" peak flow numbers???...Naaaaaaah....thats just an unfounded rumor

Tony M.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Mamo @ AFR
Yes...you are right....they were FULLY ported on AFR's 5 axis CNC porting equipment.

These heads were out of the box AFR 205's....red labeled to Wylie Texas to try and give Lou enough time to get the head swap done in time for the event.

The engine made peak HP at 67-6800 and if I recall was still producing 500 RWHP as high as 7500. The torque is especially brutal for such a small displacement engine. Those kind of torque numbers would convert to approximately 550 ft/lbs. on an engine dyno.

By the way, I certainly never portrayed this build-up as a "street" engine by any means....I brought it to everyone's attention purely to feature what is possible and quite frankly the results are still impressive all things considered, BUT....the bottom line is that this is still a normally aspirated 346 with a hydraulic roller cam. You COULD actually put it in a very aggresive week-end warrior style vehicle without a problem....except for scaring the neighbors when you fired it up to drive it around the block.

One thing is for sure, this build-up certainly exploits and taps into the well of power available from our street friendly 205's....They are "the little heads that could" and AFR couldn't have been happier with the recent results posted from Lou's car. Could it be there is more to making power than large ports with big "advertised" peak flow numbers???...Naaaaaaah....thats just an unfounded rumor

Tony M.
AFR 225's coming soon?
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 02:23 AM
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The Track times speak more to me. I can't wait for a 225, Fast 90 MM, FTI cam and 13.0:1 compression on a lil 346....
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 04:07 AM
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Very nice results! I'm sure the massive cam they're running is bleeding off some of that compression.....

Massive cam, lots of timing, drag car, lots of compression, little weight, yet I'm still flabbergasted that it trapped 140mph!!

Just curious, do you know how much timing the car was running on?

You guys put together a solid race car!
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 05:35 AM
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Tony, my ls1 will being seeing a set of your heads this year.
keep up the good work
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 11:44 PM
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Im not sure where everyone assumes that this is an extreme engine package.

It uses nothing more than off the shelf parts with a good tune and a cam that is well matched to the heads. It is still a hydraulic roller utilizing a Comp 875-16 roller lifter.

I can list all the parts in the world for people to copy but there is more than just the parts. Its the attention to detail. It is the extra time on the dyno we spent tuning and changing the cam timing ON THE DYNO the 2 nights before at 2 AM. Nothing about this setup was "good enough" We didnt want to go 130, we wanted to go 135. The highest MPH for any 6 speed 346 car. We sure did that to say the least.


AFR Box stock heads
Comp Stock replacement pushrods
FAST 90 mil, untouched
LG Custom Hyd. roller cam 610 max lift.
12:1 CR
We were turning 73-7500 all day on the 921 springs.

I will try to get a graph up soon.

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