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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 04:47 PM
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I cant believe this is actually happening to a fellow member who has done something and gotten good results. Jesus christ he posted the graph, had the tner come on and validate, and then frikken tony mamo comes on and says the tuner is legit. What the hell more do people need. I wish you all would stop bashing this kid and either give him the credit he deserves or just shut your mouth.

So basically if I put my stock heads back on, buy all the same parts that WS6 Kid has and have you SD tune my car, I will make the same power within 5hp and 5tq? I really don't think so. If you didn't live so far from me, I'd have you SD tune my car so I could gain at least 20 more HP and torque
^^ Why dont you try it before you say it wont work. It seems to me you will never believe that he made these numbers...We get that now so there is no need to continue to bash this kid.
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by offaxis
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There seem to be a few happy dynos around these days. Seems like there are a few places where everyone knows to go to drop the big numbers. This is just a statement and has nothing to do with this guys numbers its pretty much a trend I have noticed. I guess ya never know until they hit the track if the numbers are inflated.
You can take that out of the equation because Andy runs a tight ship. If anything his dynojet has proven to be stingy. I do agree that something is definitely wrong with the claim that it's a stock headed car with a torque curve like that though. Some people with ported heads would die to have a torque curve like that.
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuner@AandACorvette
We tuned Will's car and that's what it rolled. I don't know what else can be said. It's what it is - but there's always somebody who has yelps like their nuts got pinched

Think about it, why would we care what his car dyno's - or why would we facilitate a lie?

I went through this same "can't happen and I call BS" crap when I first posted AFR's results last year. Fine, it can't happen...and, as a matter of fact, it still doesn't for a lot of users but for some - they hit the numbers. Now what do you say?
I completely believe the dyno because it's proven to be a stingy dyno in the past and Andy runs a first rate shop. I'm just curious if you can verify that the car has stock heads. Did you guys do the cam install or did he just show up with the car after everything was installed? You have to admit that torque curve looks way to good to be true for stock LS1 heads.
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 06:33 PM
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Alright guys, some people are forgetting that this car made 414/385 before a ported TB and with a SHITTY tune. Would you call 16-1 A/F a good tune? I think not!

Fact is this is ALL legit, I know the guy very well and we are always keeping up with eachothers rides as the mods are added. BTW this car has STOCK UNPORTED 241s as well.

Freak numbers? Hell yeah! A lie? Hell no! Give my boy some props, he earned em
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ksett
You can take that out of the equation because Andy runs a tight ship. If anything his dynojet has proven to be stingy. I do agree that something is definitely wrong with the claim that it's a stock headed car with a torque curve like that though. Some people with ported heads would die to have a torque curve like that.
If ya read my post again I said that my statement had nothing to so with this guys dyno. I was just saying it in general terms.
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 08:11 PM
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Very Impressive #’s
What valve springs are you using?
What does your WOT timing graph look like?

Looking forward to seeing some good track numbers also.
Enjoy your new set-up!
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 08:24 PM
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Im just curious if someone could explain how these "freak" cars make these numbers.How there can be say a 20 hp difference from one car to the next with the same mods?Not calling BS on these numbers,just looking for an explanation.
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by AaronR
Im just curious if someone could explain how these "freak" cars make these numbers.How there can be say a 20 hp difference from one car to the next with the same mods?Not calling BS on these numbers,just looking for an explanation.

I have heards lots of reasons but the most comon is that most of these cars have the ls6 block in them.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 09:37 PM
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Congrats. When do you plan on heading to the track?
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by offaxis
I have heards lots of reasons but the most comon is that most of these cars have the ls6 block in them.
The LS6 block doesnt add any more power, just some engines come off the line a little better then the other.
Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:26 AM
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wow..congrats
Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ThirdGenLS1
The LS6 block doesnt add any more power, just some engines come off the line a little better then the other.

How are you so sure about that?

I am not saying that it does but I have heard that it does make a difference from a couple of shops. Either way its all good.
Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:53 AM
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well i just look at it as then the all the vette motors would be making freakish numbers, but i'm no expert so i could be wrong.
Old Mar 30, 2006 | 01:09 AM
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ok the heads are bone stock except for valve springs, which i believe are prc golds, the intake has never even been of the car. also all 01-later f/y body motors are the same, thats why they call it the Ls6 common block. guys chill, stop being jealous because you have done more work and have less power, the car is a freak, it runs real strong.
Old Mar 30, 2006 | 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Billiumss
It's all about marketing. Infate the numbers a tad and you sell more parts and tuning.

We post on here to share info. So basically if I put my stock heads back on, buy all the same parts that WS6 Kid has and have you SD tune my car, I will make the same power within 5hp and 5tq? I really don't think so. If you didn't live so far from me, I'd have you SD tune my car so I could gain at least 20 more HP and torque.

I worked on and tune a bunch of LS1 cars and see patterns. So a MAF on a cam only car is a big air restriction or did you find some magical table in the PCM?

Yes, some cars are freaks and make more power than others but not 20 more.

If the numbers were like 410HP & 400TQ, I could believe it.

http://www.customls1tuning.com/

Don't be a hater because you can't tune...... I've had my cars dynoed all over S. Cal and A&A's dyno is always the lowest. Now go crawl back in your hole and hibernate, it's still winter in Ohio.
Old Mar 30, 2006 | 02:01 AM
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I just hope charlie cant get some nice numbers out of my car next month after i install my f14
Old Mar 30, 2006 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 2c5s
http://www.customls1tuning.com/

Don't be a hater because you can't tune...... I've had my cars dynoed all over S. Cal and A&A's dyno is always the lowest. Now go crawl back in your hole and hibernate, it's still winter in Ohio.


Why are you linking a none supporting vendor (no matter who it is)???
Old Mar 30, 2006 | 08:24 AM
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This could all be because of a faulty weather station....??? Two of the local DynoJets weather stations have become VERY inconsistent over the past year. Not sure if it was due to a software glich or what. Sometimes the correction factor is very low, sometimes very high. Just because an SAE correction factor was used does not mean the baro, humidity and temp data was correct going in. The problem is that the end user can not calibrate their weather station...

A&A has been around for a while, I doubt any good business would jeapordize their rep just to make a cust. happy with a BS dyno number.

But, as always....just take it to the track and look at the MPH...To tell you the truth, I hope the thing MPH's high, then I'll know what my cam combo is going to be! Congrats and good work A&A.
Old Mar 30, 2006 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ThirdGenLS1
I just hope charlie cant get some nice numbers out of my car next month after i install my f14
i imagine he will considering the specs are similar
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Originally Posted by waSStock
But, as always....just take it to the track and look at the MPH...To tell you the truth, I hope the thing MPH's high, then I'll know what my cam combo is going to be! Congrats and good work A&A.
From what i have been seeing the cams in the low to mid 230 range have been putting down the best numbers lately.



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