View Poll Results: what heads should i go with?
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tea or tsp?
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Just search at Dragracing section you all will find out some guys with small cams and 5.3 TEA heads breaking 10s N/A and that was 3 to 4 years ago.
TEA has developed the best heads in the market now TFS. many 480+rwhp proven combos. (Ex. Vengeance) .
Exellent customer service.
Finally, u get what u pay for. I beleive no body will give that extra rwhp without raising the $$. because the extra Hp means extra work and extra work must charge more.
If u keep up buying cheap u will end up with a cheap car and there is a million car out the street that is copy paste from ur car.
Not against TSPor any I am against some concepts that thinks that TSP, Patriot or TR r the only chioces in the lsx market.
I think that TEA prices are very reasonable compared to the output.
TEA has developed the best heads in the market now TFS. many 480+rwhp proven combos. (Ex. Vengeance) .
Exellent customer service.
Finally, u get what u pay for. I beleive no body will give that extra rwhp without raising the $$. because the extra Hp means extra work and extra work must charge more.
If u keep up buying cheap u will end up with a cheap car and there is a million car out the street that is copy paste from ur car.
Not against TSPor any I am against some concepts that thinks that TSP, Patriot or TR r the only chioces in the lsx market.
I think that TEA prices are very reasonable compared to the output.
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Tooley your class shines through again...
I'm not going to say anything bad about other companies products so I'll say a few things about ours.
Our new LS6 head & all new 5.3l cylinder heads have produced nothing but great results! Of the hundreds of these cylinder heads that have shipped I've taken 0 sets of them back for any reason! Take some time & look at all the customers using these heads with great results...
These cylinder heads have no durability issues at all. Furthermore, we use some of the best equipment in the country to produce consistent results everytime. We sell a LOT of cylinder heads, and when you have to start taking shots at other companies in an effort to promote your product you simply show that it's not that great. We NEVER bash another company to sell our products. We move product based on our reputation, experience, excellent products, and customer service. Bashing other companies to promote your own says a lot about you and your company/products.
I think the new TFS heads look really nice, & I'd probably even sell them to our customers if you weren't so low class Tooley...
Don't you figure if TEA's years of experience were actually so beneficial you wouldn't have had to sell out?
I'm not going to say anything bad about other companies products so I'll say a few things about ours.
Our new LS6 head & all new 5.3l cylinder heads have produced nothing but great results! Of the hundreds of these cylinder heads that have shipped I've taken 0 sets of them back for any reason! Take some time & look at all the customers using these heads with great results...
These cylinder heads have no durability issues at all. Furthermore, we use some of the best equipment in the country to produce consistent results everytime. We sell a LOT of cylinder heads, and when you have to start taking shots at other companies in an effort to promote your product you simply show that it's not that great. We NEVER bash another company to sell our products. We move product based on our reputation, experience, excellent products, and customer service. Bashing other companies to promote your own says a lot about you and your company/products.
I think the new TFS heads look really nice, & I'd probably even sell them to our customers if you weren't so low class Tooley...
Don't you figure if TEA's years of experience were actually so beneficial you wouldn't have had to sell out?
Originally Posted by Brian Tooley
Like Ron said, I think you have to look at the big picture. TEA has many more years of experience in CNC porting heads, more experienced personnel, better process's and better customer service.
Shops that have installed both the PRC's and TEA's have told us our 5.3's made more power, and there were no durability issues either.
But if you are shopping price alone, then we would lose. But I think if you add up what it costs to have to remove a set of under performing heads or removing heads due to issues, then the extra cost of the TEA's look far better.
Shops that have installed both the PRC's and TEA's have told us our 5.3's made more power, and there were no durability issues either.
But if you are shopping price alone, then we would lose. But I think if you add up what it costs to have to remove a set of under performing heads or removing heads due to issues, then the extra cost of the TEA's look far better.
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Originally Posted by Jason 98 TA
Tooley your class shines through again...
I'm not going to say anything bad about other companies products so I'll say a few things about ours.
Our new LS6 head & all new 5.3l cylinder heads have produced nothing but great results! Of the hundreds of these cylinder heads that have shipped I've taken 0 sets of them back for any reason! Take some time & look at all the customers using these heads with great results...
These cylinder heads have no durability issues at all. Furthermore, we use some of the best equipment in the country to produce consistent results everytime. We sell a LOT of cylinder heads, and when you have to start taking shots at other companies in an effort to promote your product you simply show that it's not that great. We NEVER bash another company to sell our products. We move product based on our reputation, experience, excellent products, and customer service. Bashing other companies to promote your own says a lot about you and your company/products.
I think the new TFS heads look really nice, & I'd probably even sell them to our customers if you weren't so low class Tooley...
Don't you figure if TEA's years of experience were actually so beneficial you wouldn't have had to sell out?
I'm not going to say anything bad about other companies products so I'll say a few things about ours.
Our new LS6 head & all new 5.3l cylinder heads have produced nothing but great results! Of the hundreds of these cylinder heads that have shipped I've taken 0 sets of them back for any reason! Take some time & look at all the customers using these heads with great results...
These cylinder heads have no durability issues at all. Furthermore, we use some of the best equipment in the country to produce consistent results everytime. We sell a LOT of cylinder heads, and when you have to start taking shots at other companies in an effort to promote your product you simply show that it's not that great. We NEVER bash another company to sell our products. We move product based on our reputation, experience, excellent products, and customer service. Bashing other companies to promote your own says a lot about you and your company/products.
I think the new TFS heads look really nice, & I'd probably even sell them to our customers if you weren't so low class Tooley...
Don't you figure if TEA's years of experience were actually so beneficial you wouldn't have had to sell out?
TEA has more years of CNC porting experience...(4 more years) fact
more experienced personnel...(70 years combined) fact
better process's...(you'll have to take my word on that) fact
better customer service...(no posts on TEA not delivering) fact
Shops that have installed both and made more power with the TEA's (would you like me to PM you their phone number or would you like me to post the dyno graphs instead?)
Durability issues..are you sure you want to get into that?
Underperforming...why have some guys bought both but have TEA's on their car? It's not because they took the TEA's off.
Removing heads due to issues...see Durabiltiy issues above.
With me knowing some of your most successful 5.3's that you have sold, was the ones that we used to do for you, it helps put things into perpective don't you think?
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Bashing is based on nothing....what I stated were simply the facts.
Attempting to discredit our quality while your new cylinder head had to be recalled because of rocker/valve issues is pretty ironic. It's a classic case of selective memory.
Let's just agree to disagree. I'll say one thing for you personally...you're consistent. You consistently rely on bashing others to make your products look better.
Trevor
Texas Speed & Performance
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Originally Posted by Trevor @ Texas Speed & Perf.
Let's just agree to disagree. I'll say one thing for you personally...you're consistent. You consistently rely on bashing others to make your products look better.
Trevor
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I still remember when you guys were on the boards talking about how great PP heads were and that there were no problems with them...even though there were and you knew it...and then the next month you come on this board and post that you can no longer sell them due to their quality problems...now that's class....
I think you guys should stick to selling parts....and not trying to make them.
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OK, it's a FACT that TSP has great customer service and that TEA makes strong flowing cylinder heads. Let's get this thread back on track and talk about the positive dyno experiences of each product. This IS the dyno section after all.
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2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
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For a positive dyno experience, check my sig. And also, I wouldn't put a set of "TEA" heads on my car if they were free, after reading the unprofessional posts and bashing that "Mr. Tooley" has demonstrated in this thread. That is not the way business is done. End Rant.
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I've been expecting that to happen in one way or another but instead of debating all day long or actually (showing off) just bring up a relative stuff to this section as Pat stated above A proven stuff for comparisons then thats a high class gentlemen & the FACT is that customers who purchase can Judge 'n it's clearly both shops has excellent reputation in business regardless the years 'n prices but according to positive Customers Feedback, we really appreciate your times 'n effort to exceed our expectations but frankly negative debating(Bashing) won't convince us to buy your stuff gentlemen 'n Competition Is The Key For Enhancement isn't it >(Jason,Brian and Trevor) .
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This IS the dyno section after all
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Weird direction this thread is heading I don't think there is anything wrong with these guys going at it....they are rivals in the industry and it's par for the course, they both believe in their products! You know, we don't always have to be perfect Englishmen...sometimes we can be Americans and let some fists fly with in reason.
My experience with TEA was fantastic and their product was also F A N T A S T I C.
I received follow up calls, tech support, and as much information as I could ask for, now I was also spending a good chunk of change but long before I even picked the TFS heads the guys at TEA were willing to spend plenty of time with me to get exactly what I wanted. They even tried to talk me out of the TFS heads because my power goals were only 440+ rwHP. Of course, when I started seeing all these people make near 500 rear wheel with TFS heads, I HAD to have a set
I'd like to compare this situation to the bad blood between say shamrock and ortiz (UFC for those who don't know) would you hesitate from getting lessons from either of those guys??? Who cares if they don't like each other.
I went with TEA because they have TFS heads and I wanted THE BEST I could get for under 3k and I think I did. In the process I got really good service a great product and great results.
My experience with TEA was fantastic and their product was also F A N T A S T I C.
I received follow up calls, tech support, and as much information as I could ask for, now I was also spending a good chunk of change but long before I even picked the TFS heads the guys at TEA were willing to spend plenty of time with me to get exactly what I wanted. They even tried to talk me out of the TFS heads because my power goals were only 440+ rwHP. Of course, when I started seeing all these people make near 500 rear wheel with TFS heads, I HAD to have a set
I'd like to compare this situation to the bad blood between say shamrock and ortiz (UFC for those who don't know) would you hesitate from getting lessons from either of those guys??? Who cares if they don't like each other.
I went with TEA because they have TFS heads and I wanted THE BEST I could get for under 3k and I think I did. In the process I got really good service a great product and great results.
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A rose by any other name is still a rose. I will not get into PP for legal reasons. Suffice it to say, we decided to quit carrying their products for lack of consistency. We have NEVER deceived our customers or lied to them and NEVER will. The direction a manufacturer decides to take is their decision. You would benefit the most from us getting out of the cylinder head market, but we're here to stay. You'll just have to find another way to deal with the competition.
I'm done with this thread. If you wish to continue this, feel free to call, PM, or e-mail me.
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Texas Speed & Performance
I'm done with this thread. If you wish to continue this, feel free to call, PM, or e-mail me.
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Originally Posted by Brian Tooley
I don't bash anyone, I simply state the facts, or did you not understand that part?
I still remember when you guys were on the boards talking about how great PP heads were and that there were no problems with them...even though there were and you knew it...and then the next month you come on this board and post that you can no longer sell them due to their quality problems...now that's class....
I think you guys should stick to selling parts....and not trying to make them.
I still remember when you guys were on the boards talking about how great PP heads were and that there were no problems with them...even though there were and you knew it...and then the next month you come on this board and post that you can no longer sell them due to their quality problems...now that's class....
I think you guys should stick to selling parts....and not trying to make them.
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TEA TFS heads, I had a set of their stage 3 5.3's and switched over to the 225cc TFS heads and a bigger cam. Great products, great results, that's all I was looking for!
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I've had three sets of TEA heads. All performed. Excellent customer service before/after the sale. Fair price. Not bashing anyone else.... just know who/what's worked for me. Ain't broke/ain't fixin' it.
346"
M6
TEA 5.3L "stage" 1.5
Little cam(F11)
90/90
12 bolt/4.56's/28" slick
460rwhp/424rwtq
Low 11's NA/mid 10's on a small wet hit @ 3850lbs
Same combo through a TH400:
440/400
Latest combo will have TEA TFS 228's on a 416" L92
Looking for 550 NA and low 9's on the hose-
Numbers in a few weeks-
346"
M6
TEA 5.3L "stage" 1.5
Little cam(F11)
90/90
12 bolt/4.56's/28" slick
460rwhp/424rwtq
Low 11's NA/mid 10's on a small wet hit @ 3850lbs
Same combo through a TH400:
440/400
Latest combo will have TEA TFS 228's on a 416" L92
Looking for 550 NA and low 9's on the hose-
Numbers in a few weeks-
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Originally Posted by SLowETz
I've had three sets of TEA heads. All performed. Excellent customer service before/after the sale. Fair price. Not bashing anyone else.... just know who/what's worked for me. Ain't broke/ain't fixin' it.
346"
M6
TEA 5.3L "stage" 1.5
Little cam(F11)
90/90
12 bolt/4.56's/28" slick
460rwhp/424rwtq
Low 11's NA/mid 10's on a small wet hit @ 3850lbs
Same combo through a TH400:
440/400
Latest combo will have TEA TFS 228's on a 416" L92
Looking for 550 NA and low 9's on the hose-
Numbers in a few weeks-
346"
M6
TEA 5.3L "stage" 1.5
Little cam(F11)
90/90
12 bolt/4.56's/28" slick
460rwhp/424rwtq
Low 11's NA/mid 10's on a small wet hit @ 3850lbs
Same combo through a TH400:
440/400
Latest combo will have TEA TFS 228's on a 416" L92
Looking for 550 NA and low 9's on the hose-
Numbers in a few weeks-
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Interesting poll results. At this point it's a virtual tie, but TSP has 6 employees or dealers contributing to the numbers vs. 2 for TEA. Maybe more customers will chime in and vote on the poll to give us some more real world results.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.