So apparantly stock 04 GTOs are now........
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http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...ect+ET+and+MPH
Bring your LS2 down here and Ill run you! GTO get together in bradenton. EDIT: And wow you needed a 408 stroker with a big cam, heads, and a nitrous shot to get that 11.6 @ 123? You sure you dont drive a poorly tuned supra? (Dont get your panties in a wad and end up showing me were you hide your ovine. )
Oh and btw I am 100% wins against Fbodies and C5 vettes. The ONLY vette I have EVER lost to was a C6. I have run 2 C4s and 2 C5s and kicked all of their asses. Franklin (Ferrayo) witnessed the first C5 kill that's not on video - happened at our informal street tire challenge at BMP. It was a choice for me to line up against the LS1 vette or a caged low 10 second mustang. I won by driving around him. And as far as Fbodies go I have BUTCHERED every LT1 that's run against me (4 to date.) I've only run against 1 LS1 M6 with LTs with a loud exhaust, and was a damn good race with us finishing dead nuts.
Oh and if anyone claims that their stock 04 did beat a C6, then the C6 wasnt racing or the 04 owner is lying his *** off aobut his mods.
Wanna run too?
Since you are posting vids here's the other one: Teh LS2 CAN NEVA LOOSE!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWzPzgfhcMc
I cant count the number of times I've seen LS2 GTOs running 14.0+ times on the same night I was running low 13s. Just because someone can afford it does not mean they can drive it.
there is also this nifty thing called "heat soak" pulls timing and kills power like non other. 0.2 second differential on the 60 = 0.4 in ET. A gto can EASILY loose 0.5 seconds in ET and 3mph in the trap due to heat soak alone. So hell they could go from a 13.4 to a 14.3 in a fully heat soaked state with a **** poor launch.
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Im sure he and I will race again in the future - he is actually a really cool dude. PM him if you dont believe my story.
Then there is the video of me *gasp* pulling that C5 since he got a half car lead on me from the launch. Post race he was surprised at my trap of 108.49 vs his 108.50 because he stated that I was still pulling away from him on the big end.
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What people dont realize is that the factory HP rating doesnt mean jack diddly. There are going to be 10% freaks, 10% duds, and 80% average cars. And that is for any production run of cars - a normal bell curve. And beyond that the driver is FAR more important than the HP rating. I like to think that I have a freak LS1 combined with me being a good driver which results in me making kills some people think that I shouldn't make. There was one time at the track I fist fucked 03 Cobra with a KB on board that was putting 5xx rwhp. He couldnt get traciton. I did and beat him by a few trainlengths.
Agreed. The styling is understated, which is perfect for me. IMO - Everything is slow as there is always someone faster.
The best part is I actually LOVE F-bodies. If I didnt have the Goat, I'd definately have an M6 T/A. It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper to mod that's for damn sure.
The best part is I actually LOVE F-bodies. If I didnt have the Goat, I'd definately have an M6 T/A. It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper to mod that's for damn sure.
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Stock for stock with equal drivers and traction, LT1s do not stand a snowballs chance in hell against either iteration LS*. Ditto with mod for mod. But realize your skill behind the wheel is far more critical - do something stupid and it will beat you.
GTOs are a BITCH to launch with courtesy of the IRS and narrow OEM tires. (And microscopically sized wheel wells.) However we do handle better courtesy of that suspension - well in theory anyhow.
As far as the difference btwn the LS1 and LS2, they are minimal. Driving will determine the outcome more than the 50hp and 35tq. 05/06 do have better OEM brakes. Other than that, there is the 3000 to 6000 dollar difference for that 50hp/tq.
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Yea I can't imagine trying to launch one of those cars with the tires they stuck you guys with. Aren't the LS2 cars a little heavier than the LS1 cars? I think I've read that but I can't remember.
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They might be a touch heavier, but not by anything significant. The last time I drove across a dump scale (probably not calibrated very well) mine tipped the scales at 3880 with a full tank of gas and my 190lb fat ***. Most of the LS2 guys were reporting similar weights.
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OMG the OEM rubber is the WORST EVER. 1st just breaks traction and wheel hops. 2nd gear is useless - just wild wheel spin. 3rd gear one gains traction. Pontiac screwed the pooch with the OEM tires and the marketing.
They might be a touch heavier, but not by anything significant. The last time I drove across a dump scale (probably not calibrated very well) mine tipped the scales at 3880 with a full tank of gas and my 190lb fat ***. Most of the LS2 guys were reporting similar weights.
They might be a touch heavier, but not by anything significant. The last time I drove across a dump scale (probably not calibrated very well) mine tipped the scales at 3880 with a full tank of gas and my 190lb fat ***. Most of the LS2 guys were reporting similar weights.
#51
an ls1 gto will rape a pretty decently modified lt1....I have never ran across an LT1 that challenged the goat....I know they're out there and I'm waiting to run into one...it'll happen someday.
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You can fit a 275 pretty easily with the right sized rim/offset and a little bit of massaging....I don't have drag bags and my car has a drop spring on it but my 275's fit just fine...I'm actually going to step it up to a 285 next time tires are bought...
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i was drivin' my buddies '98 GTP and put the BEAT DOWN on a Goat up until about 95-100 mph where the GTO stopped his pull and finally started to inch on him. Although the GTO was brand new(dealer plates) and the GTP was heavily modded but still. the look on his face was priceless i will admit he likely needed the driver mod. i haven't ran into a GTO yet that has stood a chance against my Vette. They are nice cars and i'd like one for a DD, cruiser but not for a speed machine. Just too heavy....
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Cry me a river about the DA when you damn well know near 0 DAs are common in this area. Hell up on the eastern seabord (ATCO) they get -1200 or better DAs! Hell the last GTO track day I went to had a -600 DA. And do you do realize that a change in 1000' of DA corresponds to less than 0.17 ET? Modify the engine to improve Ve and the difference goes down.
Bring your LS2 down here and Ill run you! GTO get together in bradenton. EDIT: And wow you needed a 408 stroker with a big cam, heads, and a nitrous shot to get that 11.6 @ 123? You sure you dont drive a poorly tuned supra? (Dont get your panties in a wad and end up showing me were you hide your ovine. )
Bring your LS2 down here and Ill run you! GTO get together in bradenton. EDIT: And wow you needed a 408 stroker with a big cam, heads, and a nitrous shot to get that 11.6 @ 123? You sure you dont drive a poorly tuned supra? (Dont get your panties in a wad and end up showing me were you hide your ovine. )
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went back sober the next time and did loads better.
moral of the story, don't drag race high
wait till after you leave the track
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and for the record, here in AZ, ive ran 3 GTO's 2 of which i know had full exhaust at least, and with my little baby 212-219 cam i did put a hurting on them, fastest time any of the 3 could muster was a 13.7 or so IIRC. I on the other hand ran a 13.3 and i'd say my car is 'mildy' modded.
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I'll remember that the next time you talk down on stangs....LOL
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dude, my main issue with stangs is the billion+ special editions, all the cars my friends worked on back home were mustangs and thats who I used to race/compare our cars with for the most part. One of my best friends has a 97 cobra with 4.3X gears and drag slicks....I know what they can be capable of.
To PNYKLR-TA- where in AZ are you? We can bring cameras if you want and I have a lowly LS1...lol
To PNYKLR-TA- where in AZ are you? We can bring cameras if you want and I have a lowly LS1...lol