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Old 12-22-2008, 01:36 AM
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with whats listed in my sig what could i expect to put down through my m6 and any estimated track times?
Old 12-22-2008, 01:57 AM
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390-410 hp 380 tq through the 9".
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Without supporting mods like intake and TB and pulleys and heads you will make approximately 400 rwhp if your lucky since you are having to spin a 9" with a low gear. The cats are also costing you 10 rwhp.
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well im porting the tb myself and im putting a new underdrive pulley when i do the swap along with a off road y with a electronic cut out. i shouldnt need a different intake with it just being a cam only with stock cubes.i was guessing about 405-410rwhp through the 9in and im putting tsp headers on when i do the swap
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Originally Posted by wildn347
well im porting the tb myself and im putting a new underdrive pulley when i do the swap along with a off road y with a electronic cut out. i shouldnt need a different intake with it just being a cam only with stock cubes.i was guessing about 405-410rwhp through the 9in and im putting tsp headers on when i do the swap
i would not do the underdrive... port the TB yourself.. sell the TB and intake and buy a FAST 90/90 used setup for 800....

you can sell your TB/intake for about 400 and you will save about 150 on the pulley.. so thats only 150 more dollars and will be WELL worth it..

i went from my ls1 intake and ported TB to 90/90 setup and picked up 35rwhp.. stalled auto with stock 98 heads..

the thing is.. with that cam, they LOOOOOOVE to breath up top... the FAST setup with breath 10 times better about 5800rpms than the ls6 setup..
the ls6 setup pulls good till about 5800, the FAST pulls amazingly at 6000-6700..

if it were me, just because it is a big cam i would go with a better intake, if it were a smaller cam, then i would say sick with the ls6..

with that said, if you stick with ls6 intake 400.. if you go with FAST, 420.. low low 12s.. if you can drive, high high 11s.
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im already in the 12s so i was figuring mid 11s easy
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Originally Posted by wildn347
im already in the 12s so i was figuring mid 11s easy
what are your times? being a m6 cam only i wouldnt say "easy"

race weight?
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i only got 2 passes with that setup before the end of the year and 2nd pass was a 12.90 w/1.8 60ft full race weight
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Originally Posted by wildn347
i only got 2 passes with that setup before the end of the year and 2nd pass was a 12.90 w/1.8 60ft full race weight
lol.. i figured it was a 12.8..


anyways... if all your doing is a ms4 cam and tune.. i would NOT expect easy 11s if your just running 12.9 right now.. with some weight reduction and this and that you may hit it..

i would say if all you do is the cam and tune you should expect low to mid 12s.. probably close to around a 12.2ish.. that is if your still going to be the same weight and the weather is the same as when you ran the 12.9..

a cam and tune is not going to pick you up a full second..
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Ive ran a 12.4 Stock with a few boltons stock gearing M6 in San Antonio. Im running an MS3 But need more compresion, I put down 390 in hot humid weather. With an LS6. Have a FAST now but havnt dynoed it, track time show its working better.
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Originally Posted by tillery
Ive ran a 12.4 Stock with a few boltons stock gearing M6 in San Antonio. Im running an MS3 But need more compresion, I put down 390 in hot humid weather. With an LS6. Have a FAST now but havnt dynoed it, track time show its working better.
"12.4 "Stock" with bolt ons......."

lol.. anyways..

you should pick up about 15-20 with the FAST intake..

and you are running 12.4, the OP is running 12.9... he will be hard pressed for 11s..
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What I was wanting to get at is with suspension tuning and driving, he should be 11s no prob with the MS4. And yes low 12s are attainable with a few bolt ons. And a good track. I dont remember the stats of the track in Seguien TX. Here in WTX Im almost a full sec slower.
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Originally Posted by tillery
What I was wanting to get at is with suspension tuning and driving, he should be 11s no prob with the MS4. And yes low 12s are attainable with a few bolt ons. And a good track. I dont remember the stats of the track in Seguien TX. Here in WTX Im almost a full sec slower.
yea, i get what your saying!

but im going off of his times.. and im assuming that he will run at the same track, in similar conditions, and ONLY changing the cam and giving it a tune..
with that said, he wont pick up a full second... maybe 5 tenths... which would put him at a low to mid 12..

NOW! haha, if he ran that 12.9 in the heat spun a little and a horrible track... then when he does the cam change if its cold weather dead hooking and a good track.. that could pick a full second up or more.. making him mid to low 11s!

either way, good luck op!
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you should pick up a second from a cam swap like a ms4 i dont know why you would think you wouldnt .. and if i ran a 12.2 or 12.1 with a cam like ms4 i would sell the car the very next day esp since im in the 12s now and the car had more in it than a 12.9 i just only got 2 passes down the track
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Originally Posted by tillery
What I was wanting to get at is with suspension tuning and driving, he should be 11s no prob with the MS4. And yes low 12s are attainable with a few bolt ons. And a good track. I dont remember the stats of the track in Seguien TX. Here in WTX Im almost a full sec slower.
Well, actually its Marion, TX and its 600' above sea level.
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Originally Posted by wildn347
i only got 2 passes with that setup before the end of the year and 2nd pass was a 12.90 w/1.8 60ft full race weight

I'm cutting 12.9s with a 1.9 in a 2.73'd automatic. Your car has more in it. What was the mph? With full bolt ons, six speed, sticky tires and the driver mod, your car should have bottom 12s or high 11s in it. Hell, I've seen bolt on, stalled, and geared automatics hit 11.9-12.2s. I'm not even including cams in the equation.

You should be potentially able to run with such times. Maximize what you've got before throwing more power at it.
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You should get into the 11's no problem. You already have a 9in. and some good suspension pieces so you will be able to launch the car without worry. My car runs 11.70's with a 228R cam with no weight reduction, so if you can drive you should see 11's for sure.

I am guessing you should make anywhere from 400-410rwhp through the 9in.
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What tires are you running out back? It's time to dump the clutch and cut some 1.5s..
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Originally Posted by wildn347
you should pick up a second from a cam swap like a ms4 i dont know why you would think you wouldnt .. and if i ran a 12.2 or 12.1 with a cam like ms4 i would sell the car the very next day esp since im in the 12s now and the car had more in it than a 12.9 i just only got 2 passes down the track
no you shouldnt pick up a full second with JUST SWAPPING a cam in... if you did some supporting mods also, then yes.. but not JUST A CAM!

yea your in the 12s....... 12.9

im not going off what your car "should" be running right now.. im going off what times your running.. and if the 12.9 is what you run.. your not going to hit 11s, if all things are exactly the same as the 12.9 run..

Originally Posted by RaggedRides
I'm cutting 12.9s with a 1.9 in a 2.73'd automatic. Your car has more in it. What was the mph? With full bolt ons, six speed, sticky tires and the driver mod, your car should have bottom 12s or high 11s in it. Hell, I've seen bolt on, stalled, and geared automatics hit 11.9-12.2s. I'm not even including cams in the equation.

You should be potentially able to run with such times. Maximize what you've got before throwing more power at it.
dont bring autos into the equation.. on average they run 2-3 tenths faster..

plus one on his last sentence.. you need to get your times down with your mods you have now.. you should be in low to mid 12s.. not 12.9X's..



plus you must remember, just because the majority of people are running mid to high 11s with the Ms4 cam doesnt mean you will.. there are stroker builds that cant get into the 11 hardly..

***going off of the times you have stated, and the mods you will be doing... just a cam and tune.. you arent going to hit 11s.... now if you go back the way you sit right now and run a 12.4... then yes you should hit 11s..


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