Z28 Vs 370z
11-08-2009, 12:16 AM
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The Nismo doesn't out brake the regular 370Z. The SS comes with what the Z does standard. 14" Nissan brakes. Also the Nismo is more of a pure sports car for the buyer who doesn't want to buy a less reliable Vette. (IMHO). I had the opportunity to buy a Z or a Z06. I chose my Z not because of less power, but because I know I can rely on my Z to drive. Plus on the Test Drive the Z06 had some check engine light on at 22k miles.
You all are getting into this whole drag game and forgetting what pure driving is all about. Hang out with the faster Porsche guys to learn what it is.
You all are getting into this whole drag game and forgetting what pure driving is all about. Hang out with the faster Porsche guys to learn what it is.
Unfortunatly I cannot afford to join my father in the Porsche scene but the other way i could is with the LS1s. And in my opinion Corvettes are a shitload better than any Z, A SHITLOAD!!! wtf are you talking about the VQ being more reliable than a LSx type motor??!?! that makes no sense to me. the LSx motor is a Le Mans winning motor, what has Nissan done in Le Mans? have they ever wone in any catigory in Le Mans? NO! the only japanese car make that has is Mazda and that was with the 787B that used a Porsche 962 chassis and 962 PDK transmission.
Also how is the Camaro SS not a sports car? what is it then a 2 door sedan? its faster than the Nismo so get over it. it beat you at your own game and get used to it cuz thats what GM is going to contunue to do.
you cannot deny the LSx anything its better hands down its better built better design just plain better!! the C6-R won in its category in Le mans running against Porsches and Ferraris. it did this with a less than 6.0L (5.4L i believe) motor with TB restricted to 23mm and still developed 590hp. Porsche has won 16 Lemans, Chevrolet a few in recent years thanks to the C5-R block which is essentially the same as an LSx, Nissan has none. Ever. none. so whose the better sports car again?
11-08-2009, 12:35 AM
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The Nismo doesn't out brake the regular 370Z. The SS comes with what the Z does standard. 14" Nissan brakes. Also the Nismo is more of a pure sports car for the buyer who doesn't want to buy a less reliable Vette. (IMHO). I had the opportunity to buy a Z or a Z06. I chose my Z not because of less power, but because I know I can rely on my Z to drive. Plus on the Test Drive the Z06 had some check engine light on at 22k miles.
You all are getting into this whole drag game and forgetting what pure driving is all about. Hang out with the faster Porsche guys to learn what it is.
You all are getting into this whole drag game and forgetting what pure driving is all about. Hang out with the faster Porsche guys to learn what it is.
11-08-2009, 12:43 AM
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my father has always had a Porsche, currently he has an 1989 Porsche Turbo making 680rwhp with less than 20lbs of boost and stock bottom end. i can honestly say that Porsches are my favorite cars in the world. I have always been around one and one of my earliest memories was standing on the drivers seat of an 88 turbo and just barely being able to look over to the front. So I am well aware what a sports car is.
Unfortunatly I cannot afford to join my father in the Porsche scene but the other way i could is with the LS1s. And in my opinion Corvettes are a shitload better than any Z, A SHITLOAD!!! wtf are you talking about the VQ being more reliable than a LSx type motor??!?! that makes no sense to me. the LSx motor is a Le Mans winning motor, what has Nissan done in Le Mans? have they ever wone in any catigory in Le Mans? NO! the only japanese car make that has is Mazda and that was with the 787B that used a Porsche 962 chassis and 962 PDK transmission.
Also how is the Camaro SS not a sports car? what is it then a 2 door sedan? its faster than the Nismo so get over it. it beat you at your own game and get used to it cuz thats what GM is going to contunue to do.
you cannot deny the LSx anything its better hands down its better built better design just plain better!! the C6-R won in its category in Le mans running against Porsches and Ferraris. it did this with a less than 6.0L (5.4L i believe) motor with TB restricted to 23mm and still developed 590hp. Porsche has won 16 Lemans, Chevrolet a few in recent years thanks to the C5-R block which is essentially the same as an LSx, Nissan has none. Ever. none. so whose the better sports car again?
Unfortunatly I cannot afford to join my father in the Porsche scene but the other way i could is with the LS1s. And in my opinion Corvettes are a shitload better than any Z, A SHITLOAD!!! wtf are you talking about the VQ being more reliable than a LSx type motor??!?! that makes no sense to me. the LSx motor is a Le Mans winning motor, what has Nissan done in Le Mans? have they ever wone in any catigory in Le Mans? NO! the only japanese car make that has is Mazda and that was with the 787B that used a Porsche 962 chassis and 962 PDK transmission.
Also how is the Camaro SS not a sports car? what is it then a 2 door sedan? its faster than the Nismo so get over it. it beat you at your own game and get used to it cuz thats what GM is going to contunue to do.
you cannot deny the LSx anything its better hands down its better built better design just plain better!! the C6-R won in its category in Le mans running against Porsches and Ferraris. it did this with a less than 6.0L (5.4L i believe) motor with TB restricted to 23mm and still developed 590hp. Porsche has won 16 Lemans, Chevrolet a few in recent years thanks to the C5-R block which is essentially the same as an LSx, Nissan has none. Ever. none. so whose the better sports car again?
Wait a second if you want to start bringing up LeMans ****, I cannot backup Nissan in any way shape or form. Since Porsche is also my #1 company they have won more LeMans victories than any other manufacturers. Then there is Audi they are next. Far more than the Vette has ever. Porsche owns the GT2 class and Audi owns the prototype. Since 05 the Vette has just started to win. What about the other 50 years? Back since Porsche was winning with the 917.
How did the LeMans even come up? Look at GT500 how many Nissan victories there have been. Also the 24 hour Nurburgring a few years ago was won by a 350z. So I'd say Nissan has a well spread motorsports team. Unlike Chevrolet who ownly focus on ALMS, LeMans, and Nascar. What about what's in between?
11-08-2009, 12:43 AM
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Taken from a recent thread on another forum.
I've owned two C5's. 98 Coupe, and a 99 FRC. Both of which I loved, I'm a Vette guy at heart, but I'm also an overall sports car enthusiast. I sold both my C5s because I was offered the right dollar and couldn't refuse. After tinkering around and getting into college, I bought the 350z. The Z is a much easier, more realistic daily driver. It handles as good if not better then the c5, but of course lacks the torque where the Vette has it, but overall, the ride, the quality, fit and finish of the Z is better in my opinion. The C5, being a Chevy drove me nuts as far as the overall quality. The damn interior rattles, and odd sounds coming from around the car, that's a Vette for you, the C6 is a step above, but the C5 was just a stress. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE C5's they are sexy, and an icon of their own, and fast, but the Z is just a fun car. It's light and nimble and fun to throw around bends.
C5s are great cars, but the Z is also a great car. Who cares, drive what you like! :thumbup:
Oh, and who gives a **** if your 17. My bro is 16 and has a Vette. The C5 and 350z market is so cheap now, it's easy for a kid with a good job to pick one up. Who cares what people say, go with what you want.
C5s are great cars, but the Z is also a great car. Who cares, drive what you like! :thumbup:
Oh, and who gives a **** if your 17. My bro is 16 and has a Vette. The C5 and 350z market is so cheap now, it's easy for a kid with a good job to pick one up. Who cares what people say, go with what you want.
11-08-2009, 09:34 AM
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its like others said before, you could pick up a lightly used C6 for less than a new 370z, and i dont think anyone could argue with the C6 being better than a 370z. Also the VQ motor in my opinion is crap. And that Opinion can actually be argued unlike many of your opinions, and i dont think you can win that arguement. It probably wouldent even fly in the my350z forums. The VQ will never have the reputation that the LS1 and all the variants have. I bet there are more LS1 swaps into 240sx than VQ swap, I wonder why. I bet there are more LS1 swaps into anything these days than any other motor, and if there is a motor thats swapped more often than an LS1, its definately a chevy motor of some kind. There is a reason for this. the guy with an RX-7 will either keep the rotary or use an LS1, but NEVER a VQ of any kind
Also how does the Camaro SS weight affect whether or not its a Sports Car? The new Mercedes SL600 weighs in at 4500lbs, i guess its not a sports car.....the 09 Porsche 911 turbo weighs 3500lbs, damn thats more than a F-body, i guess its not a sports car either...Ultimately you cannot argue "feel" or "enjoyment" as these are all opinion based, and you are here, on a LS1 forum trying to convince us "non-sports car" owners that a 350z or 370z is better because it "feels" better. that aint going to fly. you want to argue, ill argue facts, Camaro SS is faster than the 370z in every aspect, so is the C6. end of story. On paper the Camaro SS is a better car, thats it, anything else you cannot argue. oh and BTW the corvette team has dominated GT1 class this year, finishing 1st and 2nd in its class and 15th overall. the only porsche that finished before it was the RS spyder, which is in a different class all thogether. look at the list, the next porsche to finish was in 33rd place overall and 3rd in its class.
Also how does the Camaro SS weight affect whether or not its a Sports Car? The new Mercedes SL600 weighs in at 4500lbs, i guess its not a sports car.....the 09 Porsche 911 turbo weighs 3500lbs, damn thats more than a F-body, i guess its not a sports car either...Ultimately you cannot argue "feel" or "enjoyment" as these are all opinion based, and you are here, on a LS1 forum trying to convince us "non-sports car" owners that a 350z or 370z is better because it "feels" better. that aint going to fly. you want to argue, ill argue facts, Camaro SS is faster than the 370z in every aspect, so is the C6. end of story. On paper the Camaro SS is a better car, thats it, anything else you cannot argue. oh and BTW the corvette team has dominated GT1 class this year, finishing 1st and 2nd in its class and 15th overall. the only porsche that finished before it was the RS spyder, which is in a different class all thogether. look at the list, the next porsche to finish was in 33rd place overall and 3rd in its class.
11-08-2009, 09:39 AM
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its sad really cause you think that all chevy is good for is drag racing, but the only reason you see more chevys being drag raced is cause its the cheapest form of racing and easiest to have as a hobby. my uncle with a STI used to go touring with it at local tracks but he barely does it anymore because its much more strenuous on the car than drag racing. he goes to the strip all the time though.
but if one really wanted, it would not be hard to build a Fbody for use at the track, or you could just get a vette.
but if one really wanted, it would not be hard to build a Fbody for use at the track, or you could just get a vette.
11-08-2009, 09:53 AM
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BTW, Brembo brakes are not Nissan brakes. the Camaro SS does not have Nissan brakes. GTFO with that ****. 14" Nissan brakes can suck it. 14" brembo brakes are the real deal.
11-08-2009, 10:56 AM
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Mercedes, BMW's, etc are DTM cars not sports cars. A Porsche 911 is a sports car and always will be. The Camaro SS is more suited to be with the Grand Touring bunch.
A sports car by definition is and I quote "an open, low-built, fast motor car. The term describes a class of automobile with two seats, two doors, precise handling, brisk acceleration, and sharp braking — trading practical considerations such as passenger space, comfort, and cargo capacity — for driving enjoyment" Now a grand touring car is a "high-performance luxury automobile designed for long-distance driving. The most common format is a two-door coupé with either a two-seat or a 2+2 arrangement". Tell me I am wrong now. Similar but different. That's why I say it is not a sports car but more suited to be a Grand Tourer.
Now if you want to consider swaps. I'd say the RB series is still holding the record, or even the 2jz just because they have been around for years. The LS has only been out for 10 years. The RB, 20 something years and you think the LS is swapped into any car more? I think not.
I also am referencing the C5 corvette not the C6. I do agree that the C6 is a buyer's choice over the 370Z. Me I choose the 370Z since I have owned a 350. I love LS powered cars. Hence why I am here, to learn more about the LS powered cars and what they can do.
But for you to say that the Nissan's brakes are crap you're absoloutely wrong. Check this out. Motortrend's 370Z test showing that the 370Z braked from 60-0 in 106 ft vs the Nismo's brembo equipped 103 ft. Is that really much of a difference? Now on a random google search for the 2010 Camaro I found their 60-0 in 109-111 ft on average. I know this is all what's on paper and whatever but the facts show. Nissan stopped using the brembos because they were not as good as they should be for the price they were paying.
Look we can go on and on about this all day long but look in summary.
C6 is faster than the 370Z, costs less, and is a great option.
Camaro SS is faster than the Z and is more expensive than a nicely equipped Z.
370Z is a great car but you have to consider your options before you put the cash down. I did when I bought my 350Z and couldn't be happier, so I'm sure when you all mature out of your F bodies you will all go and buy the SS or C6 vette.
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11-08-2009, 11:02 AM
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its like others said before, you could pick up a lightly used C6 for less than a new 370z, and i dont think anyone could argue with the C6 being better than a 370z. Also the VQ motor in my opinion is crap. And that Opinion can actually be argued unlike many of your opinions, and i dont think you can win that arguement. It probably wouldent even fly in the my350z forums. The VQ will never have the reputation that the LS1 and all the variants have. I bet there are more LS1 swaps into 240sx than VQ swap, I wonder why. I bet there are more LS1 swaps into anything these days than any other motor, and if there is a motor thats swapped more often than an LS1, its definately a chevy motor of some kind. There is a reason for this. the guy with an RX-7 will either keep the rotary or use an LS1, but NEVER a VQ of any kind
Also how does the Camaro SS weight affect whether or not its a Sports Car? The new Mercedes SL600 weighs in at 4500lbs, i guess its not a sports car.....the 09 Porsche 911 turbo weighs 3500lbs, damn thats more than a F-body, i guess its not a sports car either...Ultimately you cannot argue "feel" or "enjoyment" as these are all opinion based, and you are here, on a LS1 forum trying to convince us "non-sports car" owners that a 350z or 370z is better because it "feels" better. that aint going to fly. you want to argue, ill argue facts, Camaro SS is faster than the 370z in every aspect, so is the C6. end of story. On paper the Camaro SS is a better car, thats it, anything else you cannot argue. oh and BTW the corvette team has dominated GT1 class this year, finishing 1st and 2nd in its class and 15th overall. the only porsche that finished before it was the RS spyder, which is in a different class all thogether. look at the list, the next porsche to finish was in 33rd place overall and 3rd in its class.
Also how does the Camaro SS weight affect whether or not its a Sports Car? The new Mercedes SL600 weighs in at 4500lbs, i guess its not a sports car.....the 09 Porsche 911 turbo weighs 3500lbs, damn thats more than a F-body, i guess its not a sports car either...Ultimately you cannot argue "feel" or "enjoyment" as these are all opinion based, and you are here, on a LS1 forum trying to convince us "non-sports car" owners that a 350z or 370z is better because it "feels" better. that aint going to fly. you want to argue, ill argue facts, Camaro SS is faster than the 370z in every aspect, so is the C6. end of story. On paper the Camaro SS is a better car, thats it, anything else you cannot argue. oh and BTW the corvette team has dominated GT1 class this year, finishing 1st and 2nd in its class and 15th overall. the only porsche that finished before it was the RS spyder, which is in a different class all thogether. look at the list, the next porsche to finish was in 33rd place overall and 3rd in its class.
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its sad really cause you think that all chevy is good for is drag racing, but the only reason you see more chevys being drag raced is cause its the cheapest form of racing and easiest to have as a hobby. my uncle with a STI used to go touring with it at local tracks but he barely does it anymore because its much more strenuous on the car than drag racing. he goes to the strip all the time though.
but if one really wanted, it would not be hard to build a Fbody for use at the track, or you could just get a vette.
but if one really wanted, it would not be hard to build a Fbody for use at the track, or you could just get a vette.
11-08-2009, 11:15 AM
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What?? Every muscle car book, every piece of info about it mentions the Camaro...and the Challenger...whatever. I think the amount of misinformation in this thread is now at epic proportions. 
11-08-2009, 11:53 AM
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11-08-2009, 11:59 AM
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Wikipedia...are you ******* serious? Thanks I prefer gathering info from completely trustful resources. Go get books my friends...books written by authorities in the field. Keep you misinfo to yourself.
11-08-2009, 01:01 PM
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