C5 vs 2011 Mustang GT
05-04-2010, 03:15 PM
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It's an excellent combination for factory stock. However if you have plans to mod the car extensively then an FRC or Z51 6spd coupe are a much better choice value wise. A 4.10 gear set and small aftermarket cam/headers will even things up. Add in a bigger cam and you will eclipse the Z06. The Z51 suspension is close enough to the FE4 that it comes down to the driver on a road course (provided the base C5 isn't running the awful GY runflats). But I'll tell anyone who asks, if you want a C5 to buy and just drive, the C5 Z06 is a fantastic choice.
05-04-2010, 03:36 PM
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I cant wait to catch one on the road and let my C5 do its thing. Of course, im an LS2 thats modded now, but the cam almost idles like stock and my stock mufflers make it a real sleeper.
Should be able to upset some mustang owners.
Should be able to upset some mustang owners.
05-04-2010, 03:41 PM
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Please show me. You asked me for proof, I showed you. I explained in detail exactly what I mean. Please point out to me where you were coming from has any backbone whatsoever to even considered being called "your side of the argument". It was a pathetic attempt at being a nutswinger if you could even call it that.
05-04-2010, 03:46 PM
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The early LS2 C6's with the 4spd autos will have a problem. I the LS2 6spd cars will have a slight advantage. The Z51 6spd cars shouldn't have any trouble since they have the M12 tranny. The LS3 C6 shouldn't have a problem. It's pretty potent with either the 6spd auto or manual.
05-04-2010, 04:30 PM
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It's an excellent combination for factory stock. However if you have plans to mod the car extensively then an FRC or Z51 6spd coupe are a much better choice value wise. A 4.10 gear set and small aftermarket cam/headers will even things up. Add in a bigger cam and you will eclipse the Z06. The Z51 suspension is close enough to the FE4 that it comes down to the driver on a road course (provided the base C5 isn't running the awful GY runflats). But I'll tell anyone who asks, if you want a C5 to buy and just drive, the C5 Z06 is a fantastic choice.
Buy the FRC if you're doing Heads/Cam or a supercharger and call it a day.
Right now I can't think of a better bang for the buck than the FRC/C5Z.
Unless you really want to go ghetto and get a used A4 '98 LS1 F-Body for dirt cheap, throw in a stall, add some spray and some drag radials and you'll have a nice drag strip car. Not sure how long the tranny would last though
05-05-2010, 12:11 AM
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Man this thing got a little ugly. Didn't mean to turn it into a civil war. I've only had my C5 for about a year and only been able to drive it for about 6 mths due to the crappy weather here in Minot. I've had my TA for about 5 yrs and love them both, but the Vette somehow seems faster with minimal mods.
My next question is what cam to go with for either of the two. I have a set of 243 from a 07 Vette, only had 5k on them. Both will get full bolt ons and possibly a stall. The Ta currently has 3.73s and the Vette has 3.15s. Thinking of a 2800-3200 stall for each. I want my car to maintain a sleeper type idle. Would you guys recommend the ls6, lingenfelter GT 2-3 or something like a tsp 220/220 with 116lsa. My TA has 145k and the Vette has 61k.....please chime in.......
My next question is what cam to go with for either of the two. I have a set of 243 from a 07 Vette, only had 5k on them. Both will get full bolt ons and possibly a stall. The Ta currently has 3.73s and the Vette has 3.15s. Thinking of a 2800-3200 stall for each. I want my car to maintain a sleeper type idle. Would you guys recommend the ls6, lingenfelter GT 2-3 or something like a tsp 220/220 with 116lsa. My TA has 145k and the Vette has 61k.....please chime in.......
05-07-2010, 10:04 PM
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Here are some new times from a lightly modified 2011 Mustang
Just posted on Evolution Performance FaceBook.
First 2011 Mustang GT 5.0L 4V in The 11's!
11.98 @ 117MPH with a 1.67 60ft
11.85 @ 117MPH with a 1.64 60ft
11.82 @ 118MPH with a 1.63 60ft
All three runs were done within 24 minutes,
Off-Road X-Pipe, Catback Exhaust System, K&N Drop In Filter, Clutch. and a Custom Tune, M/T's!
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05-07-2010, 10:20 PM
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Here are some new times from a lightly modified 2011 Mustang
Just posted on Evolution Performance FaceBook.
First 2011 Mustang GT 5.0L 4V in The 11's!
11.98 @ 117MPH with a 1.67 60ft
11.85 @ 117MPH with a 1.64 60ft
11.82 @ 118MPH with a 1.63 60ft
All three runs were done within 24 minutes,
Off-Road X-Pipe, Catback Exhaust System, K&N Drop In Filter, and a Custom Tune, M/T's!
Just posted on Evolution Performance FaceBook.
First 2011 Mustang GT 5.0L 4V in The 11's!
11.98 @ 117MPH with a 1.67 60ft
11.85 @ 117MPH with a 1.64 60ft
11.82 @ 118MPH with a 1.63 60ft
All three runs were done within 24 minutes,
Off-Road X-Pipe, Catback Exhaust System, K&N Drop In Filter, and a Custom Tune, M/T's!
Well F*CK ...
05-07-2010, 11:15 PM
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Anybody check this new comparison out? If not please read!!
http://www.insideline.com/2011-ford-mustang.html
ok so from what i gathered someone FINALLY did a test on an 2011 Mustang GT with all season tires which is STANDARD instead off all summer tires on the 11gt... As you see tires makes a difference( which we all know).. All season tires with 3.73 gears posted times of only 13.3 at 107.3 and with the summer tires (same test) posted a 13.0 at 110.6... I wonder what the test numbers would have been if they tested the all season tires with the Standard 3.31gears???
Ok now I wonder why no one has done a test with the STANDARD 3.31 gears or 3.55 gears for that matter. Of course that will make the car slower with these gears maybe that why they didn't test them. People are making it seem like the 11gt is all this and that like it comes STANDARD WITH SUMMER TIRES AND STANDARD WITH 3.73 GEARS! If it did that would be great but in reality it doesn't. It will be plenty of 11gt's purchased STANDARD with 3.31 gears and STANDARD all season tires which make them much slower!!
Matter of fact it only seems to be a tick faster than a 10 ss with the OPTIONAL summer tires and OPTIONAL 3.73gears. So all this talk of how much faster it is than a 10ss can stop. Yea it is a LITTLE fast but ONLY WITH THOSE OPTIONS of summer tires and 3.73!
( no im not biased i just state facts! I actually like the 11 stang and waiting on the 1st test for the 11gt500..aluminum block dropped 100+pds added 10hp. now 550hp)
Back to he topic... C5 vs 11gt? Thats the reason i stated all the above. It seems as the combo of the 11gt will determine the outcome. If the combo is summer tires and 3.73 gears i think the stang will win from a dig. Any other combo of gears (3.31 or 3.55 gears) and summer or all season tires and i think the c5 will win have equal drivers. We already seen what a 11gt will do with 3.73 gears and all season tires based on this test. 13.3 at 107.3.. A C5 can do that with a little higher trap speed!
C5 vs 11gt Roll race? It just depends on the combo of tires and gears you purchase from the factory. Although if its a medium to high roll tires won't make much of a difference.
Now what really sucks is when someone races a random guy with an 11gt on the street and you beat him from a roll or a dig and get all happy and your going to think to yourself, " damn i wonder if he had 3.73 or 3.55 or standard 3.31 gears" lol.. You won't know! And even if they had 3.73gears and you beat them and ask them what gears do they have, more than likely they will lie and say 3.31 to avoid embarrassment lol
I see ppl in here talking about c5z vs 11gt?? thats just dumb to compare them! Compare the c5z to an 2010 gt500 and you will see the c5z will win. Based on individual test numbers (of course they wont compare the to as its a big age difference)
c5z also traps higher than a 2010 gt500 in every test from a popular source. (even the 01z with 385hp still traps right around or a little higher based on individual test numbers)
http://www.insideline.com/2011-ford-mustang.html
ok so from what i gathered someone FINALLY did a test on an 2011 Mustang GT with all season tires which is STANDARD instead off all summer tires on the 11gt... As you see tires makes a difference( which we all know).. All season tires with 3.73 gears posted times of only 13.3 at 107.3 and with the summer tires (same test) posted a 13.0 at 110.6... I wonder what the test numbers would have been if they tested the all season tires with the Standard 3.31gears???
Ok now I wonder why no one has done a test with the STANDARD 3.31 gears or 3.55 gears for that matter. Of course that will make the car slower with these gears maybe that why they didn't test them. People are making it seem like the 11gt is all this and that like it comes STANDARD WITH SUMMER TIRES AND STANDARD WITH 3.73 GEARS! If it did that would be great but in reality it doesn't. It will be plenty of 11gt's purchased STANDARD with 3.31 gears and STANDARD all season tires which make them much slower!!
Matter of fact it only seems to be a tick faster than a 10 ss with the OPTIONAL summer tires and OPTIONAL 3.73gears. So all this talk of how much faster it is than a 10ss can stop. Yea it is a LITTLE fast but ONLY WITH THOSE OPTIONS of summer tires and 3.73!
( no im not biased i just state facts! I actually like the 11 stang and waiting on the 1st test for the 11gt500..aluminum block dropped 100+pds added 10hp. now 550hp)
Back to he topic... C5 vs 11gt? Thats the reason i stated all the above. It seems as the combo of the 11gt will determine the outcome. If the combo is summer tires and 3.73 gears i think the stang will win from a dig. Any other combo of gears (3.31 or 3.55 gears) and summer or all season tires and i think the c5 will win have equal drivers. We already seen what a 11gt will do with 3.73 gears and all season tires based on this test. 13.3 at 107.3.. A C5 can do that with a little higher trap speed!
C5 vs 11gt Roll race? It just depends on the combo of tires and gears you purchase from the factory. Although if its a medium to high roll tires won't make much of a difference.
Now what really sucks is when someone races a random guy with an 11gt on the street and you beat him from a roll or a dig and get all happy and your going to think to yourself, " damn i wonder if he had 3.73 or 3.55 or standard 3.31 gears" lol.. You won't know! And even if they had 3.73gears and you beat them and ask them what gears do they have, more than likely they will lie and say 3.31 to avoid embarrassment lol
I see ppl in here talking about c5z vs 11gt?? thats just dumb to compare them! Compare the c5z to an 2010 gt500 and you will see the c5z will win. Based on individual test numbers (of course they wont compare the to as its a big age difference)
c5z also traps higher than a 2010 gt500 in every test from a popular source. (even the 01z with 385hp still traps right around or a little higher based on individual test numbers)
The 2010 GT 500 is a little faster than you think in the hands of a competent drive. The are from SVTPerformance witch requires track slip to post. MM&FF ran a bone stocK GT 500 11.95 and 11.6x with DR. at about 120IIRC
GT500Shelby--------------1.60 - 11.316 @ 122.59 CFUDSEG St Thomas On. 9/15/07 Alt: 600 ft
MD03SVT ----------------1.656 - 7.328 - 11.368 @123.89 100% stock on slicks 11/10/09 Napierville Dragway Montreal Canada 2010 GT500
1FSTHRSE ----------------1.768 - 7.425 - 11.371 @ 125.08 CFLUTDSEGK Cecil County Dragway, Maryland 9/18/2009[
MD03SVT ----------------1.656 - 7.328 - 11.368 @123.89 100% stock on slicks 11/10/09 Napierville Dragway Montreal Canada 2010 GT500
1FSTHRSE ----------------1.768 - 7.425 - 11.371 @ 125.08 CFLUTDSEGK Cecil County Dragway, Maryland 9/18/2009[
Brands5.0 ----------------1.992 - 12.024 @ 119.82 CFUEM Moroso, West palm beach 4/21/07
MD03SVT -----------------2.019 - 12.085 @ 118.95mph 2010 STOCK napierville dragway montreal canada 09/05/09
iceman--------------------2.133 - 12.109 @ 122.27 CFUSEHGKV US41 Dragway 4/28/07
Timber Wolf--------------- 2.209 - 8.079 - 12.146 @118.50 CFUSE 10/30/09 Englishtown NJ
black99lightnin------------1.847 - 7.872 - 12.161 @ 113.75 STOCK NoProblem Raceway Bellerose/LA 10/17/09
MD03SVT -----------------2.019 - 12.085 @ 118.95mph 2010 STOCK napierville dragway montreal canada 09/05/09
iceman--------------------2.133 - 12.109 @ 122.27 CFUSEHGKV US41 Dragway 4/28/07
Timber Wolf--------------- 2.209 - 8.079 - 12.146 @118.50 CFUSE 10/30/09 Englishtown NJ
black99lightnin------------1.847 - 7.872 - 12.161 @ 113.75 STOCK NoProblem Raceway Bellerose/LA 10/17/09
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05-10-2010, 09:31 AM
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The new GT is a great step forward. Those times are darn impressive. However, we're now getting into the realm of mods. Which opens a whole different ballgame and essentially ends up with the winner being the one with the $$ to spend. My guess is that the average stock GT is going to run somewhere in the range we've speculated. Mid to high 12's for the 3.73 with the sticky tires and low 13's for the rest. Time will tell.
05-10-2010, 12:19 PM
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The 2010 GT 500 is a little faster than you think in the hands of a competent drive. The are from SVTPerformance witch requires track slip to post. MM&FF ran a bone stocK GT 500 11.95 and 11.6x with DR. at about 120IIRC
11.8 is a great run for just skinnies + slicks + few boltons. It'll be interesting to see what the average times are for a stock GT 5.0.
05-10-2010, 06:35 PM
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The 2010 GT 500 is a little faster than you think in the hands of a competent drive. The are from SVTPerformance witch requires track slip to post. MM&FF ran a bone stocK GT 500 11.95 and 11.6x with DR. at about 120IIRC
The c5z is quicker than you think.. here is the c5z quick list.. which ranges from a list of categories...stock, cai/ dr's, bolt ons, head/cam etc...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-z...fast-list.html
here is a article for you to read on a test for a stock zo6...
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ure/index.html
05-11-2010, 12:14 AM
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The new GT is a great step forward. Those times are darn impressive. However, we're now getting into the realm of mods. Which opens a whole different ballgame and essentially ends up with the winner being the one with the $$ to spend. My guess is that the average stock GT is going to run somewhere in the range we've speculated. Mid to high 12's for the 3.73 with the sticky tires and low 13's for the rest. Time will tell.