C5 vs 2011 Mustang GT
05-13-2010, 03:10 PM
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The guy that owns the stang owns the ss too. He posted about it.
Originally Posted by Bigjohns97 View Post
Well i got a suprise call today when my dealer called me and said my car had arrived, i thought he was bs'ing at first but he confirmed the vin right off the car and i drove up and sure enough my baby is in.
Finishing up the paperwork was torture knowing my car was just sitting out there, everyone at the dealership was huddled around it like some circle jerk i had to get my buddy that works up there to fend them off with a stick.
Anyways had my other buddy drive my 01 ss (mostly stock) up and down some back roads racing my new 5.0 and while i had an extra 250 lbs in the car with me and only 8 miles on the odo my old camaro was winning every race by about a half length once we got past 100.
couple of things before people start jumping off cliffs.
1. the car only had maybe 10 miles on the odo
2. i had an extra 250 lbs in the car (ford salesman who helped me fend people off)
3. that motor in my 01 ss dynoed at 330 rwhp stock (helluva underating)
i think it had more to do with the car not being broke in, after 70 miles i raced another friend in a g8 with cam and full exhaust and tune and had em (not by much) but still.
I can't figure out how to turn off traction control WTF..
Anyways all those races today except the g8 were caught on film and i will be posting them up later on tonight. (i have to go to a very important thing right now and will get back online tonight.
Well i got a suprise call today when my dealer called me and said my car had arrived, i thought he was bs'ing at first but he confirmed the vin right off the car and i drove up and sure enough my baby is in.
Finishing up the paperwork was torture knowing my car was just sitting out there, everyone at the dealership was huddled around it like some circle jerk i had to get my buddy that works up there to fend them off with a stick.
Anyways had my other buddy drive my 01 ss (mostly stock) up and down some back roads racing my new 5.0 and while i had an extra 250 lbs in the car with me and only 8 miles on the odo my old camaro was winning every race by about a half length once we got past 100.
couple of things before people start jumping off cliffs.
1. the car only had maybe 10 miles on the odo
2. i had an extra 250 lbs in the car (ford salesman who helped me fend people off)
3. that motor in my 01 ss dynoed at 330 rwhp stock (helluva underating)
i think it had more to do with the car not being broke in, after 70 miles i raced another friend in a g8 with cam and full exhaust and tune and had em (not by much) but still.
I can't figure out how to turn off traction control WTF..
Anyways all those races today except the g8 were caught on film and i will be posting them up later on tonight. (i have to go to a very important thing right now and will get back online tonight.
05-13-2010, 04:49 PM
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Hmmn...if the 5.0s perform like this in the real world, no C5 has anything to worry about...a stock LS1 Camaro is beating it!!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2fo3KHupBM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2fo3KHupBM
Its funny because in one of my previous posts in this thread i mentioned when you race the new stang you wont know which gears it will have since they have options from the factory. Come to find out, this car was STOCK 3.31 gears (the original poster that created the video even said it, "read comments on youtube") which will make it slower than a 3.73 geared car found in every magazine test!.
Not to mention you still have that factor of getting to learn a brand new car and most importantly KNOWING HOW TO DRIVE IT! IF YOU CANT DRIVE IT, DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH HP YOU HAVE.
Now i bet if the original poster that created this video didnt clarify that it was a 3.31 car everyone wouldve just assumed it was a 3.73 car lol.. This really sucks ford didnt stick to just 1 gear lol..
None the less good race rather the Camaro was stock/ bolt on or whatever. To bad every Stang doesn't come equipped with 3.73s...Wonder what the outcome wouldve been if the stang had 3.73s.....
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05-13-2010, 06:27 PM
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It may not be an overwhelming difference but it is a difference. 3.73 will be better than a 3.31 from a roll race ( like this one) or from a dig. Your reaching your rpm's quicker.
It's not like the Camaro smoked him. It was a close race and that 3.73 could have made that little of a difference to put the stang neck and neck if not slightly ahead
It's not like the Camaro smoked him. It was a close race and that 3.73 could have made that little of a difference to put the stang neck and neck if not slightly ahead
05-13-2010, 07:12 PM
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It may not be an overwhelming difference but it is a difference. 3.73 will be better than a 3.31 from a roll race ( like this one) or from a dig. Your reaching your rpm's quicker.
It's not like the Camaro smoked him. It was a close race and that 3.73 could have made that little of a difference to put the stang neck and neck if not slightly ahead
It's not like the Camaro smoked him. It was a close race and that 3.73 could have made that little of a difference to put the stang neck and neck if not slightly ahead
05-13-2010, 10:45 PM
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I guess im just hoping the 2011 GT is a race and competition. We have been kicking mustangs *** for a long time exception terminator/ gt500. Its no fun if a 2011 is losing to only lid/ exhaust Camaro. Most Camaro's are at LEAST full bolt ons. If this stang is losing to a lid/ exhaust car then it wont be any fun for the ppl that are at least full bolt ons because it the outcome would be much worse than this video.
Im just trying to gauge where this stang is and how fast it really is stock and seeing if it deserves all the praise its been getting or if its over rated like pretty much every other stang (few exceptions)! Only way to tell is apparently is by racing the best option one from the factory right.
I wont be buying a buying a Mustang but ill sure be smokin em
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05-13-2010, 10:48 PM
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05-14-2010, 09:23 AM
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Going from 3.31s to 3.73s made a big difference for me. The SS dyno was 330 = not stock. Gt driver was fat with a 250 lb passenger margin of victory about a car or less [per SS/GT owner]. SS one person.Gt not broken in [8 miles on odo] and new to the driver who didn't even know how to turn off the traction control.. I'm not surprised or alarmed. Not excuses just facts that do make a difference in drag racing. Apparently enough difference for a 330 whp SS to win this time.
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05-14-2010, 11:42 AM
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Going from 3.31s to 3.73s made a big difference for me. The SS dyno was 330 = not stock. Gt driver was fat with a 250 lb passenger margin of victory about a car or less [per SS/GT owner]. SS one person.Gt not broken in [8 miles on odo] and new to the driver who didn't even know how to turn off the traction control.. I'm not surprised or alarmed. Not excuses just facts that do make a difference in drag racing. Apparently enough difference for a 330 whp SS to win this time.
Some M6 SSs dyno 320 stock. If it had anything, it probably wasn't much. It looked like about a car but the Camaro came from behind. Traction control doesn't make a **** of a difference going from the kind of rolls they were starting from . And they were going fast enough to not really have to be shifting too many gears.
Anything can happen on the street though. So we'll just have to look at the track times that they're putting down. Which is high 12s? Well within reach of a stock f-body and a good driver.
05-14-2010, 12:04 PM
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From what I've seen, if you're running a stock C5 Z and the Mustang has some basic mods, you'll get your *** handed to you. If your Z is modded and he's modded who knows...
And for those flaming F-body's, you might take into consideration that the vast majority of F-body's are running automatics and more Vette's would likely be sticks. For auto vs. auto I'd bet there's not as much advantage to the Vette.
And for those flaming F-body's, you might take into consideration that the vast majority of F-body's are running automatics and more Vette's would likely be sticks. For auto vs. auto I'd bet there's not as much advantage to the Vette.
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05-14-2010, 02:24 PM
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It made a big difference? I'm sure it did, but I'd love to the see track times before and after.
Some M6 SSs dyno 320 stock. If it had anything, it probably wasn't much. It looked like about a car but the Camaro came from behind. Traction control doesn't make a **** of a difference going from the kind of rolls they were starting from . And they were going fast enough to not really have to be shifting too many gears.
Anything can happen on the street though. So we'll just have to look at the track times that they're putting down. Which is high 12s? Well within reach of a stock f-body and a good driver.
Some M6 SSs dyno 320 stock. If it had anything, it probably wasn't much. It looked like about a car but the Camaro came from behind. Traction control doesn't make a **** of a difference going from the kind of rolls they were starting from . And they were going fast enough to not really have to be shifting too many gears.
Anything can happen on the street though. So we'll just have to look at the track times that they're putting down. Which is high 12s? Well within reach of a stock f-body and a good driver.
Back then my car was just running a CAI,Pulley, Tune, and DR's and 3.31 running 11.7's and went to 11.4's with 3.73 gears. I expect the 3.73 GT well driven to be a 12 sec care and the 3.31 to be a 13 sec car.
I never race with traction control on. In A mustang when the computer sees a difference between front and rear wheel speed it reduces power through the throttle body. Spin your tires at all [ie. 2nd geer rubber] and you we see a reduction in power. The owner of both cars said the Mustang was ahead till 100mph. Never the less the SS did win this round but I'd love to see it run a broken in 2011 with drag pack option and traction control off.