C5 vs 2011 Mustang GT
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Back then my car was just running a CAI,Pulley, Tune, and DR's and 3.31 running 11.7's and went to 11.4's with 3.73 gears. I expect the 3.73 GT well driven to be a 12 sec care and the 3.31 to be a 13 sec car.
I never race with traction control on. In A mustang when the computer sees a difference between front and rear wheel speed it reduces power through the throttle body. Spin your tires at all [ie. 2nd geer rubber] and you we see a reduction in power. The owner of both cars said the Mustang was ahead till 100mph. Never the less the SS did win this round but I'd love to see it run a broken in 2011 with drag pack option and traction control off.
I never race with traction control on. In A mustang when the computer sees a difference between front and rear wheel speed it reduces power through the throttle body. Spin your tires at all [ie. 2nd geer rubber] and you we see a reduction in power. The owner of both cars said the Mustang was ahead till 100mph. Never the less the SS did win this round but I'd love to see it run a broken in 2011 with drag pack option and traction control off.
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Yea your right some not all. There is always someone faster than everybody! But even a high horsepower stang could lose to C5 head/ cam car. I've seen many lose even with 200+ rwhp advantage especially at higher speeds. WEIGHT & aerodynamics goes along way
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Yeah you are correct. I always say if you can drive you need about 125 hp advantage to reliably beat Z06 Vette in a 1/4 mile race due to weight and aero and I shut it down by 150mph which is plenty fast fro me. My favorite race is a C6Z06 fortunately I have not run into a faster Vette.....yet. But that day will come I'm sure.
As you say there is always someone faster I do plan on pushing the engine to 825-850 with new pulleys and a NANO NOS system.
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Yeah you are correct. I always say if you can drive you need about 125 hp advantage to reliably beat Z06 Vette in a 1/4 mile race due to weight and aero and I shut it down by 150mph which is plenty fast fro me. My favorite race is a C6Z06 fortunately I have not run into a faster Vette.....yet. But that day will come I'm sure.
As you say there is always someone faster I do plan on pushing the engine to 825-850 with new pulleys and a NANO NOS system.
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If you take a look at the zo6 fast list, there is a 10.98 at 128.90 bone stock run on stock tires (record). Most are low 11's at an average of 126mph on the list.
Bolt on zo6 on the fast list ran a 10.1 at 135. There are over 10 cars that ran 10sec passes just with bolt ons on the list.. ( some with very minor bolt ons with just a CAI and Dr's)
Thats why i believe it will take more than 125hp to reliably beat a stock c6zo6.. Now i could be wrong and if i am please correct me. Here's a scenario, a stock c6zo6 with 505hp and Dr's is 10.74 at 129.50.. If you take a stock 500hp gt500 and add 125hp to it that would result in 625hp. If we used the 540hp gt500 and added 125hp that would be 665hp. If we put those on DR's i dont THINK neither one could achieve around a 10.74 at almost 130mph.
I also said it wouldn't hit a 10.74 at 130 because i have seen supersnake's with 725hp and DR's and didnt come close to that time give or take better drivers but still wasn't close to that time.
I think that it would actually be worse in a roll race. That 7.0 just has a huge powerband not to mention wayyy less weight and much better aerodynamics.
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C6zo6 bone stock on DR's.. 10.74 at 129.50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zv5RDzwS4g
If you take a look at the zo6 fast list, there is a 10.98 at 128.90 bone stock run on stock tires (record). Most are low 11's at an average of 126mph on the list.
Bolt on zo6 on the fast list ran a 10.1 at 135. There are over 10 cars that ran 10sec passes just with bolt ons on the list.. ( some with very minor bolt ons with just a CAI and Dr's)
Thats why i believe it will take more than 125hp to reliably beat a stock c6zo6.. Now i could be wrong and if i am please correct me. Here's a scenario, a stock c6zo6 with 505hp and Dr's is 10.74 at 129.50.. If you take a stock 500hp gt500 and add 125hp to it that would result in 625hp. If we used the 540hp gt500 and added 125hp that would be 665hp. If we put those on DR's i dont THINK neither one could achieve around a 10.74 at almost 130mph.
I also said it wouldn't hit a 10.74 at 130 because i have seen supersnake's with 725hp and DR's and didnt come close to that time give or take better drivers but still wasn't close to that time.
I think that it would actually be worse in a roll race. That 7.0 just has a huge powerband not to mention wayyy less weight and much better aerodynamics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zv5RDzwS4g
If you take a look at the zo6 fast list, there is a 10.98 at 128.90 bone stock run on stock tires (record). Most are low 11's at an average of 126mph on the list.
Bolt on zo6 on the fast list ran a 10.1 at 135. There are over 10 cars that ran 10sec passes just with bolt ons on the list.. ( some with very minor bolt ons with just a CAI and Dr's)
Thats why i believe it will take more than 125hp to reliably beat a stock c6zo6.. Now i could be wrong and if i am please correct me. Here's a scenario, a stock c6zo6 with 505hp and Dr's is 10.74 at 129.50.. If you take a stock 500hp gt500 and add 125hp to it that would result in 625hp. If we used the 540hp gt500 and added 125hp that would be 665hp. If we put those on DR's i dont THINK neither one could achieve around a 10.74 at almost 130mph.
I also said it wouldn't hit a 10.74 at 130 because i have seen supersnake's with 725hp and DR's and didnt come close to that time give or take better drivers but still wasn't close to that time.
I think that it would actually be worse in a roll race. That 7.0 just has a huge powerband not to mention wayyy less weight and much better aerodynamics.
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When my car was putting 540 to the ground with 3.73 gears I took C6Z06 out regularly. A friend down the road from me with a bone stock black C6Z06 has raced me several times. Perhaps he can't drive well though but he isn't the only one I have raced. Not every C6Z06 run in the 10's bone stock its rare in fact. Chris a friend in Florida runs 9's with the same setup as I do now. {Now runs a Whipple 4.0} I have no problems with C6Z06's at all now but I'm sure I have not hit the right one yet. FI gives you an impressive power band also. Supersnake suspension and 285 rear tires limit them. Remember A bone Stock GT 500 has run 11.36 with tires ...add another 100hp horses and I Expect sub 11 second times. And remember 1/4 mile races are below 150mph. It takes about 4 hours to bolt on a 2.9 Whipple for the first time.
Don't get me wrong C6Z06 are great cars but a properly setup GT 500 isn't a slouch either even if they are too heavy.
In fact GT 500s with Whipples have run the Texas Mile at 205mph and Stock Eaton blowers [with a port] have run in the 10's.
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Also, is the motor built to handle that kind of extra power reliably without going into it and beefing it up? What about the tranny?
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my friend has a 08 and is puting down 584hp the night i raced him in my bone stock tuned 03 z06. we started at a 40 roll and for all of my ssecond gear we stayed side by side. once i shifted to 3rd he started pulling me till 120. he put 2 1/2 to 3 cars on mine. all in all i am pretty happy with my car. he also raced my friends 00 supercharged vette. that race the vette was about a car behind when they started and put 3+ cars on the GT500 when they let out at the end of the bridge.
i was shocked at how good the gt500's run.
2008 GT500
POSI ported stock blower
JLT Intake & Pulleys
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Was heatsoaked pretty good at this point and had no ice to cool things down with. IAT2's were in the 140's.
i was shocked at how good the gt500's run.
2008 GT500
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Was heatsoaked pretty good at this point and had no ice to cool things down with. IAT2's were in the 140's.
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FOG, how do the GT500s compare mod-wise with Terminators? Are they basically the same? In other words, can you just add I/E and slap on a different pulley and get a ton of extra RWHP (putting it to the ground at that point is obviously a different story)...
Also, is the motor built to handle that kind of extra power reliably without going into it and beefing it up? What about the tranny?
Also, is the motor built to handle that kind of extra power reliably without going into it and beefing it up? What about the tranny?
The stock bottom will hdle about 850 whp. A CAI,tune,pulley adds 100-130hp. On 07-09 I'm not sure about the 2010-2011 which come with 540 or 550 hp respectively.
They respond even better to mods due having more cubes. Expect a Ported Eaaton with upper lower pullied CAI tuned to run around 600 whp , TVS about 650whp and Whippled or KB to be 700 whp and up. I know one guy with a built engine and a compound set up turbos feeding a stock Eaton who is making 1300+ on E85.
Stock they are traction limited and have bad wheel hop. Lowering springs cured mine. Upper and lower control arms and good DR's can yield 1.6 60 ft times. Tranny is T 6060 its also used in:
* 2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 (remote mount shifter with dual braces and single linkage)
* 2008-2010 Chevrolet Corvette
* 2008-2010 Dodge Viper SRT-10
* 2008 Ford Falcon FG Range
* 2008 Holden Special Vehicles Range (From August)
* 2009-2010 Dodge Challenger
* 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP
* 2009-2010 Cadillac CTS-V
* 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS
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[QUOTE=FOG52;13335681]When my car was putting 540 to the ground with 3.73 gears, suspension and 305 DR's I took C6Z06 out regularly. A friend down the road from me with a bone stock black C6Z06 has raced me several times. Perhaps he can't drive well though but he isn't the only one I have raced. Not every C6Z06 run in the 10's bone stock its rare in fact. Chris a friend in Florida runs 9's with the same setup as I do now. {Now runs a Whipple 4.0} I have no problems with C6Z06's at all now but I'm sure I have not hit the right one yet. FI gives you an impressive power band also. Supersnake suspension and 285 rear tires limit them. Remember A bone Stock GT 500 has run 11.36 with tires ...add another 100hp horses and I Expect sub 11 second times. And remember 1/4 mile races are below 150mph. It takes about 4 hours to bolt on a 2.9 Whipple for the first time.
Don't get me wrong C6Z06 are great cars but a properly setup GT 500 isn't a slouch either even if they are too heavy.
In fact GT 500s with Whipples have run the Texas Mile at 205mph and Stock Eaton blowers [with a port] have run in the 10'.70
O yes many dont run in the 10's bone stock your right. But many have run in the 10's bone stock with just DR's.. Your right though a properly setup gt500 is definitely not a slouch. But the samething can be said for any car with money put into it. Just depends on how much someone is willing to spend. You shouldn't have a problem with taking out a stock one with your setup. But watch out for one that modded even if its slighly modded. There are many running low to mid 10's with just headers/CAI/ tune and DR's![Grin](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_grin.gif)
Check this vid out. Bone stock c6zo6 Terminator(516Rwhp) They are friends and he even admits he always lost to him fair and square everytime they race. Not to mention the Terminator's are lighter than GT500's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WsCn...os=HIBi_4i6x5M
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O yes many dont run in the 10's bone stock your right. But many have run in the 10's bone stock with just DR's.. Your right though a properly setup gt500 is definitely not a slouch. But the samething can be said for any car with money put into it. Just depends on how much someone is willing to spend. You shouldn't have a problem with taking out a stock one with your setup. But watch out for one that modded even if its slighly modded. There are many running low to mid 10's with just headers/CAI/ tune and DR's
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Check this vid out. Bone stock c6zo6 Terminator(516Rwhp) They are friends and he even admits he always lost to him fair and square everytime they race. Not to mention the Terminator's are lighter than GT500's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WsCn...os=HIBi_4i6x5M
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Apparently the bolton Evolution Performance car(offroad x/pipe, catback exhaust, k&n drop in air filter, tuned, upper lower control armed sawpedd... and possibly a few things I am missing) went 11.65 @ 118.84 today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B4aWSx_LY8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B4aWSx_LY8
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Not to mention, and I can't confirm but this stock 011 GT:
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Ran a 12.95. Then proceeded to run a 12.81 ,12.78, and 12.77. Car is equipped with the 3.55 gear and had 21 miles on the ODO.
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Edit: The car has the 3.31 gearing and not the 3.55 gearing. Also on base 18 inch 235/50 18 tires. Not bad at all.
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Ran a 12.95. Then proceeded to run a 12.81 ,12.78, and 12.77. Car is equipped with the 3.55 gear and had 21 miles on the ODO.
Edit: The car has the 3.31 gearing and not the 3.55 gearing. Also on base 18 inch 235/50 18 tires. Not bad at all.
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O yes many dont run in the 10's bone stock your right. But many have run in the 10's bone stock with just DR's.. Your right though a properly setup gt500 is definitely not a slouch. But the samething can be said for any car with money put into it. Just depends on how much someone is willing to spend. You shouldn't have a problem with taking out a stock one with your setup. But watch out for one that modded even if its slighly modded. There are many running low to mid 10's with just headers/CAI/ tune and DR's ![Grin](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_grin.gif)
Check this vid out. Bone stock c6zo6 Terminator(516Rwhp) They are friends and he even admits he always lost to him fair and square everytime they race. Not to mention the Terminator's are lighter than GT500's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WsCn...os=HIBi_4i6x5M[/QUOTE]
Roll race and to above 1/4 mile trap speeds and a few hp short of the 125 more to the ground needed, I'm not surprised. Drivers?
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Check this vid out. Bone stock c6zo6 Terminator(516Rwhp) They are friends and he even admits he always lost to him fair and square everytime they race. Not to mention the Terminator's are lighter than GT500's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WsCn...os=HIBi_4i6x5M[/QUOTE]
Roll race and to above 1/4 mile trap speeds and a few hp short of the 125 more to the ground needed, I'm not surprised. Drivers?
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I thought it couldve been the driver to until i think he said in 1 of his comments he runs high 10s... But we all know racing from a dig and a roll is completely different. Different powerbands etc.. Also your right its a few short of 125 hp but you would figure that being a few hundred pounds less (terminator) than a gt500 that would overcome only the few missing HP that would make 125hp as you say is needed by a greater margin.