zz4camaro1980

Ah, because you have no critical thinking skills you trust the goverment to make your decisions for you... I'm sure they have your best interests at heart

Your argument is just insane, you think we should pass more laws simply because it MIGHT help, even though as you said yourself "we dont know". Laws should not be passed on a whim just to appease peoples false sense of safety!

brians91formula

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If only more people could understand it this way. /SIGH

Giddswat

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I had this e-mailed to me the other day....


It`s Against The Law!!!!

A person steals guns, (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW), shoots and kills his own mother (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW), transports these guns loaded (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW), brings guns onto school property (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW), breaks into the school (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW), discharges the weapons within city limits (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW), murders 26 people (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW), and commits suicide (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW).

And there are people in this country that somehow think passing ANOTHER LAW and banning guns would protect us from someone like this. If you haven't noticed, people like this are not concerned about breaking laws - they only care about fulfilling their own twisted agenda.
The only people that a gun ban law would impact are the LAW ABIDING CITIZENS, which will only serve to cripple the ability to protect ourselves.

1998silverbird

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I trust the Gov because I worked for the gov for 10 yrs.

As stated before I am for a safer world for my children to live in. What are we doing to fix this? If you think the problem is gonna get better by doing nothing then you are wrong as well. We are stuck then. If the GOV passes new laws they will not be followed and people already dont follow the laws that are out there. If you were the Gov how would you handle this?

The reason those kids got killed in CT is because that Syko had easy access to a arsenal. How does the Gov attempt to prevent this from happening then is laws have no real effect?

It still comes down to 2 questions..

Would the world be safer if there were no guns?

Why is there more people killed in the USA by guns, and more school shootings in the USA by guns then anywere else in the world?

zz4camaro1980

Your questions have already been answered in this thread, also, you keep jumping around from topic to topic without actaully addressing any other points brought up... so Im going to assume that you are just rambling and have no interest in a rational debate. Have a nice day.

brians91formula

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1998silverbird we all wan't the same thing. We all want a safer world for our kids to live in. We can all agree on that. However, giving government complete control by disarming citizens is a really really really bad idea. History proves this to be a fact. All it takes is one corrupt government offical with power and we all know we have plenty of those already.

I'll keep whatever firearms I deem necessary for my own personal safety and my family's. Somebody needs to tell these clowns in Washington that we need *real* changes. Not more gun laws.

leong6gtp

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There is no such thing as a no gun world. No one said to do nothing but everything they propose is NOT going to prevent anything, Criminals don't care about the law obviously. If someone wants to do harm to someone they will guns or not. That guy could have strapped a bomb to himself and took down the whole building. What we need is the same security for the kids that our no good politicians have and all the banks and federal reserve gets. We guard our money and treasures with the highest security yet leave children helpless. The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. The government you trust so much approved a budget of 1.5 billion for the NICS improvement act which was passed after VA tech shooting. Since 2009 only 50 million has been used; less than 1/20th. If the president and congress would have called to have these funds used to create a perfect functioning state level reporting system for each state to upload to the national system these events could have been avoided....but the last line of defense for our kids needs to be an armed person protecting them.

george g

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Elsewhere they just blow up themselves and 30-40 others with them.

1998silverbird

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You guys obviously dont trust the Gov. If thats the case then how can this world get better? You dont trust the gov now and then if they pass new policies you still wont trust it. To me it seems we are in a lose lose situation.

I see alot of posts of people saying the Gov needs to do something but if you dont trust the Gov whats the point? We have been the greatest nation since pretty much the begining. Our Constitution has changed over time with the addition of rights and addmendments.

If you cant trust this gov then what kind of gov can you trust?

You guys all say what would our founding fathers think about these suggestions about banning guns? I ask you what would they think of us having a Black President? You all might think our Gov is flawed now but it has been flawed since day one.

How do we fix this world? I dont know. All I know is that we cant keep doing the same and hope it fixes itself. We know that laws are not being followed right now, that most people do not trust the Gov as well. Its kinda hard to be president knowing that the laws wont be followed and the majority dont trust your decisions.

INMY01TA

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What does that tell you? Poor Obama.

LS1LT1

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Agreed.





That's a good enough reason I suppose...lots of sheeple also feel that exact same way LOL.





You essentially just described the very nature, the fabric if you will, of the 2nd Amendment and it's original intent.
That's the whole point, the government IS NOT supposed to be trusted unconditionally or entirely. And those founding fathers you mention wrote that 2nd Amendment in there for that very reason, to keep that particular government and any/every administration that was to follow in line and not too powerful/not too intrusive over it's citizenry.

The Constitution/Bill of Rights is NOT negotiable and can be neither rewritten nor altered in anyway. Because if we change even one single line within it, then THEY'RE ALL suddenly opened to reinterpretation and reevaluation and that sort of disarray can ultimately lead to a horribly dangerous America that might result in far more tragedy than the senseless school shootings we're experiencing right now.

1998silverbird

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So we just continue to do what we do. If kids get killed oh well right? Its better then what Might happen is what you are saying..

We already live in a Horribly dangerous America. Leading the world in Gun murders, Mass shootings, school shootings already.

I am sure if you asked those founding fathers what they thought if the US grew to over 300,000,000 people and there would be 3 guns per person and that the laws do not get followed and that most people have no trust in the Gov would they still have wrote it the same way?

I am also thinking that laws were a lot stricter back then as well. They would hang you or what not. Now you face prison life which you get 3 meals a day. Why did that change? People felt bad that we were killing people who commit serious crimes and that it was not our position to do so?

Maybe the Gov should put it out as a vote to the people of this great nation. Let the people decide what to do instead of the Gov officials who have there children under armed gaurds 24/7.. Base what to do off of those poles! Then it wont be the gov making the desicions but the people of the US.

Patriotpa

You MD guys either need to get organized and vote these Socialists out of office or vote with your feet and move out of state.

INMY01TA

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Aweful idea. Majority opinion does not trump civil rights. Sorry bud. You're all for changing the Const, letting Gov do what ever it wants, raising taxes, etc. I don't know why we bother with you.

1998silverbird

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You are for not trusting the Gov, adding security to schools but having no way to pay for it except more in debt, and not trusting the people of the USA.

I dont get what you are for as you dont trust the gov and yet you dont want the people of the US to have an opinion on what to do as well.

I am for change for the better. If that bothers you then IDK what to tell you. Guess you think this world is perfect the way it is, I do not. I see it as we have a opertunity to make the world safer for our children. I dont have an idea on how to go about it but I also know that staying the course is just insane.

I am for adding armed gaurds at all schools in the USA. It will make me feel a little safer while sending my daughter to school everymorning and that is worth a couple dollars extra if they call for a increase in my school taxes. My daughter is worth it.

Here is a good article about the 8 school shootings the month of Jan.. http://www.thetrumpet.com/article/10...otings-in-2013
I love all the responses at the bottom.

Double-aught_Z/28

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We're trying. We're fighting uphill unfortunately. Out of the 6 most populated counties that basically control the state's politics, 2 are full of wealthy liberal hippies and 2 are full of folks living off the welfare provided by the liberal hippies.

This is easily the most polarized political debate Maryland has ever seen. No issue has ever drawn anywhere near the number of people we have to show up in Annapolis. We basically broke the system they way it is setup.

LS1LT1

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Remember the movie 'Swordfish'?
In the movie, John Travolta's character asks the difficult question, "if you could save one million lives but in order to do so you had to kill one child, could you do it?"
While not directly related to this topic, it does force one to think about 'the greater good' and the prices we have to pay for freedom and liberty.

I don't like hearing about kids being killed. Trying to imagine what a scene like that Sandy Hook school shooting must have been like and now thinking about what those parents/family members are coping with (or attempting to cope with) makes me sick actually.
And then I have visions of Germany, Austria, Poland, Holland (as well as NUMEROUS other nations) between 1939 and 1945 and the MILLIONS of kids that were killed there and suddenly my perspective on private firearm ownership for the masses becomes a little more clear.

I also don't like when kids get killed in car accidents
or fires
or as a result of abuse from a parent/sibling/school bully
or from a terminal illness.

So in order to save more children's lives I'm proposing this. I'd like to start with a limit on how many miles American citizens are entitled to drive their vehicles each week, we'll say 30 miles a week is fair enough?
And the speed limits, 25mph zones will now be only 15mph.
If that doesn't work then we have to start with the vehicle bans, RWD V8 cars to start with and I'd like YOU to set the example first for all others to follow, ya know for the kids, deal?
Hey, we've got to start somewhere right, if it saves even just one life....

INMY01TA

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This makes perfect sense to me but I've heard it said before and liberals always just say "well that could never happen here". They fail to realize that part of the reason that will never happen IS the 2nd Am.

zz4camaro1980

Perfect analogy! Its crazy that some people cant see how assinine this legislation is until you put it in terms they understand.

1998silverbird

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Your comparing kids being murdered in schools to car accidents? Your also comparing a right to a privalege. Its not a right that we drive cars and trucks. Its a dangerous activity that everytime we take the wheel we have to be aware of. Now this day and age its a dangerous activity to drop my daughter off at school as well. That should not be the case but it is. A lot of older kids in my daughters school didnt go to school for a couple days after the CT shooting because they were scared. Thats not right.

The people who died on Sept 11th paid the price for our freedoms. Was that fair? Guess we are part of the greater good that those people sacrifice themselves for not knowing that they would die just like the little kids who get slaughtered @ school. Is it fair that 5-6 yr olds pay the price so that we can argue about it on these forums? I am sure that the last thing on those kindergardens mind was the 2nd admendment or there privalege to drive a car, but yet they sacrificed there lives for our american rights and you guys wont even listen and discuss ways that we can perhaps change or prevent these sensless killings. Instead you protest and say oh well they died for our rights to bad.

Am I willing to give up my right to have a gun? Not right now but I am willing to hear what the gov proposes and willing to bend my right if I feel it could have a chance at making this world safer.

I agree with the whole abuse on kids. Its horrible that parents beat the living **** out of there kids. Something needs to change with that as that can lead to them going crazy and taking a gun to school to kill people as well.