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Old 12-14-2008, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by frcefed98
So you are gutting it for mid to high 9's?

I'm sure you can hit mid 9's with the D1 and all the creature comforts still in the car

J

He isn't gutting it IMO.

And as he said, he's removing that stuff not only for weight but for easy access.
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KP, what roll bar are you putting in it?
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Originally Posted by frcefed98
So you are gutting it for mid to high 9's?

I'm sure you can hit mid 9's with the D1 and all the creature comforts still in the car

J
Its going to take a little more then a 347 and D1SC to put a full weight car in the mid 9s, its possible but you would have to push it just as hard as I did to make my old car run in the 8s. Then you start getting into the whole race gas/head gasket issue thing all over whic is exactly what I am trying to avoid. This will be 98% a race car, it will look way more like a stock car though and thats what makes it kinda cool.

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Let me know if ya need any pics...... i think ill keep the heater too....... i have windows and T-Tops for the hot *** summer.... LOL
I think I'll just yank the whole mess and do a mojave if I need heat down the road, I have the simple solution for A/C, I leave it in the garage when its hot out

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KP, what roll bar are you putting in it?
Probably a bolt in wolfe 6pt or something similar.
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I agree, less weight is easier on the drivetrain as a whole...engine and tranny, but i'm sure you can get there without too much weight removal from inside the car. Have you considered the new lexan direct replacement windshield and back "glass" from Percys? 56lbs there alone, coupled with tubular front end components @34 lbs (BMR), no door bars, no rear bumper @ 21lbs, pin on hood..and you are already 111lb's lighter. ABS, Airbags and are all fair game. A/C meh its for the girlies, T tops for that, but heat is nice early in the season and late into the season. Pin on hood?

That'll save a fair amount of weight without digging into the interior too much.

Weight removal is needed with these cars, with a focus on removal of that weight over the front tires when adding a bolt on like a S/C kit or turbo set up as all of us know, but that is a beautiful car to boot




As always, you are the man Kev and this is just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by kp

I think I'll just yank the whole mess and do a mojave if I need heat down the road, I have the simple solution for A/C, I leave it in the garage when its hot out
Well said.


A/C meh its for the girlies, T tops for that, but heat is nice early in the season and late into the season. Pin on hood?
Even better said Jer .
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Originally Posted by frcefed98
I agree, less weight is easier on the drivetrain as a whole...engine and tranny, but i'm sure you can get there without too much weight removal from inside the car. Have you considered the new lexan direct replacement windshield and back "glass" from Percys? 56lbs there alone, coupled with tubular front end components @34 lbs (BMR), no door bars, no rear bumper @ 21lbs, pin on hood..and you are already 111lb's lighter. ABS, Airbags and are all fair game. A/C meh its for the girlies, T tops for that, but heat is nice early in the season and late into the season. Pin on hood?

That'll save a fair amount of weight without digging into the interior too much.

Weight removal is needed with these cars, with a focus on removal of that weight over the front tires when adding a bolt on like a S/C kit or turbo set up as all of us know, but that is a beautiful car to boot




As always, you are the man Kev and this is just my opinion.
Honestly this car isnt that nice, my TA was a lot nicer than this one all around. Its not terrible, but I dont feel bad making a race car out of it thats for sure..

I'm not going to take anything out of the inside, will still have stock seats/carpet etc. You cant see the heater box not being there

My old car was down to 3250lbs at one point and still had power steering/brakes etc so I am pretty good at losing weight. With the lighter rear end and only a 6 pt I wont need to do lexan or pin on hood. My old car had a full interior except the back seats, stock hood and no sheetmeteal was cut out anywhere.

This doesnt look too 'gutted' does it?
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Guess its hard to tell from pics, but I do agree that isn't anymore gutted than my ride
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Congrats on the bounce back. Looking good so far, keep up the good work

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Originally Posted by frcefed98
Guess its hard to tell from pics, but I do agree that isn't anymore gutted than my ride
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This one will keep the stock seats (front and rear) and carpet, I'm pretty sure I can get it down to 3450 or so raceweight (I'm 225) and at that weight and not shifting higher than 6700rpm with the 3.7 pulley that should be good for 9.60s in good weather and 10.0s in the heat. Should be able to easily get a couple years out of the shortblock and no head gasket issues as well.

Since its a 2000 I'll finally be able to play with one of the EFI live custom operating systems with a 2-3 bar SD tune. But I did run 9.40s with the 98 PCM and a hacked stock tune so either will work.

Well thats the plan anyhow
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thought you were building a nova LOL
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Originally Posted by kp
This one will keep the stock seats (front and rear) and carpet, I'm pretty sure I can get it down to 3450 or so raceweight (I'm 225) and at that weight and not shifting higher than 6700rpm with the 3.7 pulley that should be good for 9.60s in good weather and 10.0s in the heat. Should be able to easily get a couple years out of the shortblock and no head gasket issues as well.

Since its a 2000 I'll finally be able to play with one of the EFI live custom operating systems with a 2-3 bar SD tune. But I did run 9.40s with the 98 PCM and a hacked stock tune so either will work.

Well thats the plan anyhow
COS5 is your friend. Just use a very small commanded maf fail input and it's golden.
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Originally Posted by onfire
COS5 is your friend. Just use a very small commanded maf fail input and it's golden.
We'll see, its easy enought to use the MAF and PE on a stock OS, its just big elevation/temp changed required a different tune. COS5 will give me something to do for a while, once I figure out how to do it lol.

I'll leave it as-is at first to make sure the new engine starts/runs first and then switch. You wouldnt happen to have a COS file would you, until I actually rewrite the PCM to a 2002 OS and flash a COS cal into it I cant even see the tables.
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Few more pics, not much left lol. Little more clean up underneath, pull the engine/k-member and I can start bolting some shiny new parts on. Takes a while to clean up under the car, seems like a lot of work to scrub it underneath but I'll be spending a lot of time under there the next month or so and its sure nice not getting dirty every time you touch something..
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I should have one on a pin drive that I can email you. Sad thing is I lost a ton of data/tunes/etc when my laptop crashed....only used it for tuning...never on the net...back up??? What's back up?......I did keep some on a pin drive though...I'll get it to you.
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Originally Posted by onfire
I should have one on a pin drive that I can email you. Sad thing is I lost a ton of data/tunes/etc when my laptop crashed....only used it for tuning...never on the net...back up??? What's back up?......I did keep some on a pin drive though...I'll get it to you.
Dont bother, I found one in the tune repository on holdencrazy, I just want to get familiar with the extra tables. Appreciate it though.
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So you can still use a MAF with a COS and make the power you are looking to make?

I thought you were going SD
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Originally Posted by No Juice
So you can still use a MAF with a COS and make the power you are looking to make?

I thought you were going SD
I will go SD, but for initial startup and engine break in I dont want to start messing with SD tunes so I'll leave the stock OS and let it start up/run on the MAF since the car ran fine. Hate to dump too much fuel in it with guessed VE table in SD right off the bat, I belive the EFIlive COS is MAFless only for 2-3 bar. I have been running a BS3 for the last coule years so I have lost track of the stock PCM stuff..

I ran the 98 PCM for two years with the MAF and using PE for the boost fueling, its not the best but it works, not much of a choice there with a 98 so its nice to have a 99+ to play with.
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2-3 bar is SWEET for a turbo car where boost can vary according to tps and load.
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wow man i cant wait to see how it turns out!
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I saw it was parted out completely and sold cheap on another forum. I am beginning to wonder if he still has his job and how he gets away from the family so much with all the time he spends in the garage. I'm jealous. lol

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