First of all let me clarify some things. I had it professionally installed and it was tuned at Ed Wrights. This post is mainly to talk about the kit to people who are thinking about buying it.

1. Dyno graph: On the dyno I put down 450rwhp and 560rwtq. This is with a cutout and ASP crank pulley as other performance mods. This number was a little disappointing. I thought I was going to make at least what is advertised on QMP. When they said they ran open exhaust to get those numbers i didnt know it was right off the header. Thats my mistake.

2. The Wait: I ordered my kit around May 26 and I didnt not recieve the final shipment until September 23. Rob if you read this I wish you put a more accurate time of how long the kit takes to get delivered. The lateness really threw my off. I was hoping to get it installed in the summer while i was in Tulsa and out of school. Instead it shows up while i am in college and I have to borrow my grandmothers car and commute back and forth every weekend from college to home for a month while it got installed. If i would have known it would have taken 4 months I would have ordered it much earlier.

3. Installation Instructions: I know i didnt install this kit myself but the shop that did even had some trouble installing it. They had many questions and called Rob a few times. Also some model years you dont need certain parts but i didnt know until we called QMP and asked where the missing parts were. I dont know if they have changed the instructions yet but i know others had some trouble interpreting them.

4. The service: Rob and Jonathon are very knowledgable and can definately answer any questions you have about your kit. Just dont try and email them make sure you call them.

5. The cost: When I bought the kit it was 6400 even. The installation was 1952.00 It was expensive installation partially because i had to spend 300 dollars in parts. Only about 80 of that was because they forgot a couple things in the kit. The other was they put sleeves on the plug wires because they were scared they would get burned. I had to get a longer belt because of the ASP pulley. Also, they had to buy a few parts for my manual boost controller which was bought independently of the kit. Ed wrights tuning is 650.00 even. However, after Ed's tuning 2 O2 sensors went bad and some circuit went bad where it was idling irratically. So i am not sure how much that will cost because its being fixed right now. So in total I will end up spending a little over 9,000. I could have done it cheaper by sending it to rob but i didnt want to send it to Indiana, i thought it would be cheaper than it turned out to be to be installed, and I thought the installation and tuning would only take a week or two.

Today, the shop took me for a ride. They didnt get on it much but it sounded badass I love that turbo sound and the BOV. We really didnt get to feel the pull because i am on street tires and it basically just spun. He went less that 40mph in third gear and hit it and it just spun.

Overall, even though I havent got to take the car out yet I know I would definately buy the kit again. It may look like there are alot of cons but they really are not that bad. The only thing I would have changed is that I would have ordered the kit earlier. I tried to keep this post as accurate as possible. If there is anything I forgot I will edit it later or add a new post.

 

how many psi to get those numbers? What kind of fuel were you running?

 

I've only got a second right now, but I spoke with John at Ed's, and he said it was tuned very safe and actually dynoed 468rwhp/56xrwtq. That was at 7lbs of boost on pump gas.

I'll respond more later tonight. Thanks for the writeup.

 

It was with 7lbs using 93octane and a safe tune. I have the dyno sheet with me and it specifically was 452rwhp and 558rwtq.

 

Sorry, I was just going by what John at Ed's had told me on the phone. Maybe he got 468 on one of the pulls (not necessarily the one you have a dyno sheet of), because I wrote that down as he told me.

He also said that due to the vacuum lines all being ran wrong, the car was running real rich when it got there. As in off the dyno chart rich! And he thought that together with the O2 being bad, it had at least partially fouled the plugs.

He said that it had a slight stumble throughout driving it, but that it went away under WOT. Pretty much a sign of a bad plug(s).

Also, you don't want to have the sleeves over your wires. It just holds the heat and melts the wire inside the sleeves. We know, we've tried them. As have several of our customers. If you bend the adjustable MSD wires we supplied up towards the coils, you won't have any problems.

Considering the fact you had one O2 that was flatlined, probably bad plugs, and the car running through full exhaust pipes, I think your dyno numbers are right in line with our advertisements.

As usual, I apologize for all of the trouble you had with the delivery of the kit, as well as installation. This is just one of the reasons we will no longer sell them in kit form. Only as installed, fully tuned systems.

 

Thanks for the info about the plugs and the sleeves. I will talk to them about it first thing in the morning. As far as the dyno, I have an SAE corrected dyno which was actually lower and a STD dyno graph. I will ask John about your numbers tomorrow. When everything gets fixed i am probably going to take it to another dyno in town where i get a discount. What would you estimate it to be with everything running properly?

 

On 6 speeds we typically get 460-480rwhp SAE at 7lbs of boost, uncapped at the downpipe. Shawn's car (the first car we did) was sort of a rarity from the beginning. Before the turbo, with a lid and cutout, his car made 328rwhp. He then made 491rwhp SAE at 7lbs on Ed's dyno.

Based on your current numbers: My guess is that with the car uncapped at the downpipe, good TR6 plugs (make sure they are gapped at no more than .035!), and a good tune, you'll make about 470-475rwhp. Just a guess.

Let us know.

 

Turbo+good flow exhaust = POWER!!!!!
I got about 40,yes 40 rwhp with my cutouts. Big diferance!!!!!!! Open that bad boy up and you'll prob be suprised, And wait till you here it with open cutouts. I make people run, I have been know to suck up small children and animals.
All in all sounds decent, spec threw full exhaust.
Good luck

 

That breaks at least two laws in most states that I know of

 

Yeah, in Oklahoma =)
VHK let us know on the TFCC board when you plan to take it to the track. I'm interested in seeing what it puts down

 

Well I do have a cutout but its on the I-pipe not the downpipe. Before the turbo i had stock exhaust except for my cutout. Surprisingly, to me at least its hardly any louder than before. I am about half tempted to put a cutout on the downpipe for track use. But first i want to get everything installed correctly.

The plugs were fouled. Chris at Car Analysis pulled 4 out. He is replacing them right now and today is driving the car back to Ed Wrights to get finished up.

I have been trying to get on the TFCC board for the past couple of days at school and here at home but the site is not loading up. Assuming my car will be ready (which it should) i am going to the sonic meeting on friday. Its at 7:00 right?

 

Yeah that sounds right.... What color is your car again? I'll look for ya =) This is Travis from TFCC btw, ill be in a white grand am...

 

I drive my car every where with the cut outs open, It isnt that loud, and im a little crazy.
And i guess i shouldnt say what i did, you took it wrong. My turbos have been known to. Better :p

 

My car is a pewter hard top SS

 

Well done.
Best wishes on your new setup, and enjoy the extra horsepower!

 

ARGH another problem. They took out the fouled plugs and put in another set of the NGK TR6's. These begin to misfire in the mid to upper range RPMs. Chris (the installer) says he doesnt like those plugs and hasnt used them in a few years and John also doesnt like them. I dont know why. Anyway, now he is taking those out and putting in some copper plugs. Then tomorrow morning driving over to Ed Wrights. AHHH what a headache. Oh well at least its close I hope.

 

Hmmm.

We've used TR6's for years without problems.

Your installer has lost a few credibility points, I had more problems with Autolie 103's than NGK TR6's.

In any event, if you had a bad 02 that can make you down power.

Keep us posted and remember the end is in sight.

 

Ya the O2's were replaced yesterday and those are working fine now. Its not only the installer. But John at Ed Wrights told me he doesnt like those plugs either. In any case they are causing me a misfire and delaying me driving my turbo SS so i dont like them right now either :p

 

That's a little odd about not liking these plugs.. What DO they Like? The NGK's are like the Crown Jewel of Plugs in most peoples experience. I've used them over the duration of many years and never had a single problem with them.

 

Yeah, I agree. I've used them successfully on everything from 10s N/A cars to turbo 4s, 6s, and 8s and never had issues. Is there a possibility that the wires are toasted already from the header, or the jackets. I only say this because it sounds like your installer didn't know the MSD wires could be bent and shaped to fit the application.

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