I received a PM from a member on here (who wanted to remain nameless) who has dealt with APS and though that we could use some contact e-mail addresses.

sales@airpowersystems.com.au
david@airpowersystems.com.au
Roda@airpowersystems.com.au

Do with them what you will!

 

Pretty funny thread....so was the other thread that got locked. Ive been saying for a LONG time that I wasnt a fan of APS based on how they dealt with their customers and what not. I preferred Gen TT all day. Less ground clearance.....but their turbo's stay together Good luck guys.

 

[QUOTE=jamar320;12124858]I thought Louise from LG motorsports all ready covered the turbo inspection in one of his post where he shows the LG upgrades where he stated he couldnt even find out who made the center section because it was a knock off no name company that made it?and so on

 

http://www.billetturbochargers.com/M...nd_hiflows.ews

this is another option for turbos. and ball bearing

 

Absolutely. He even has the ***** to try and sell full priced replacements for HIS OWN defective parts.

He is one arrogant SOB. They absolutely knew the quality of the turbos in the kit, to claim to otherwise is a bold lie. "They aren't the genuine mitsu turbos? thats not possible!!" Right, i am sure you ordered from the genuine company and they sent you cheap knock offs. Thats likely.Then Peter has the ***** to try and squeeze more money out of people to remedy the problem he caused by ******* everyone in the first place by charging almost $2000 for ANOTHER PAIR OF KNOCK OFF TURBO's to replace the first POS!!! See for yourself....

Originally Posted by peter@aps
Just for the guys that are interested, it is possible for APS to produce bolt on Garrett GT 35 based ball bearing turbochargers with a 1.06 A/R turbine housing.
Cheers, Peter

scam artist!! When something goes wrong or isnt what the customers\community want to here, its the old "hey, i just work here" routine.But when it comes to pocketing money, i have no doubt he is the owner. No employee would be allowed to be an arrogant douche bag and hurt business like he has.

Absolutely. If anyone sends APS a single dime of their money, they are either completely ignorant and unaware of what has transpired, or they like the feeling of grabbing their ankles to the tune of thousands of dollars in junk turbo containing kits and damaged motors.

1. Yes, yes indeed he did. He fucked everyone good and hard. The lube left on the bad turbo containing kit owner's anii now closely resembles the turbo's he sold after an oiling failure....covered in caked on burnt and crusty lubricant.
2. yup. Like he is going to discover something he doesnt already know. Maybe he will get a refund from his shitty supplier. Probably not. Or perhaps he will spend $300 to have the turbo rebuilt and re-sell it either back to the original owner for $500 or re-use it in another kit. i wouldnt put anything past him.
3. Yup. There may be a small chance that some of the lube covering the anii of APS' blown turbo customers may still have some lubricating capacity left, so far be it from Peter to pass on a chance to screw them in the *** one more time. Much like when a relationship goes sour and a break up is in the air, you try to get that one last "Good bye" screw in, where you try and do all the dirty, kinky **** you didnt get to do or didnt try to do before while together.
As far as the last part of your statement... i think we all have a ball park idea of what will happen. At least i do. APS already raped many for a sizeable profit. If the word is out and their future sales are in the *******, they will close down and go out of business. Mind you, they won't be crying and upset, they will be laughing their way to the bank and with a plan in place. They will take all their old inventory and use it to make turbo kits for other vehicles under a new company name. Peter and whoever else associated with APS (Dave Inall??? was that the name) will have their association\ownership of the company hidden, and the process will repeat itself only this time it will be with a different vehicle market.

Only when it is convenient for him.

The fact that turbo's are such simple devices with few actual parts, it makes me wonder why they cost over a grand a piece. I mean jesus, it isn't exactly a complex device! Other than balancing and such like you mentioned, their isnt much expense or hard work in making them. You can't really claim "R&D expenses" either as turbos have beeen around forever. Granted maybe some of the newer types like the dual stage or whatever they are called fancy *** turbo's that get used on bmw's and such may be newer technology, but the majority of turbos are not. They are over-priced for sure. I am talking about the actual turbo's here now, not the kits that people design. Don't want guys like Kentucky Turbo and such who design bad assed kits and lay out the cash for the design, materials, tooling, etc to get all pissed with me.

And you are damn right Peter and APS (really they are one in the same) knew they were selling knock offs. If you wanted to buy a large quantity of any brand named item... a sony TV or a "starter" football jersey for example, its not like some sneaky under-cover chinese dude intercepts the email or post man and then fills the order, sending you cheap knock off **** instead, and then again goes and intercepts the payment. And its not like Sony or Starter in this example would get a customer's large order and say to themselves "hey guys, check this out... We are going to really **** these guys.Instead of sending them out REAL product, we are going to send them cheap *** knock off's and keep the profits!! LOL. Suckers!! "

Of course they knew they were selling cheap ****. They probably hoped it would hold up for a reasonable amount of time, comparable to the actual brand named turbo. If it didn't and things went south, then it is damage control time. If damage control cant be achieved they bail out, which is exactly what they are doing. Does the statement "We are no longer making any more kits for the American muscle car market, including vettes, gto's, f-bodies, new camaro's, etc" sound familiar to anyone?? I would call that bailing out, and the speed in which they made that decision once it was revealed that the turbos were cheap knock offs was amazing!! I mean, what legitimate business that isn't involved in shady dealings have you ever heard make such a huge product decision so quickly upon the announcement of an issue coming up with their product??? None that i have ever seen or known of have done that!!! Not if they are on the level, anyway. APS had a plan like i outlined earlier... If everything went smoothly and no big\costly problems sprung up, great! But if, God forbid, something big\costly occurs, such as the turbos failing and being exposed as cheap knock-off's, it's time to abandon ship!! Announce the withdrawl of APS from the American turbo kit scene. Perhaps offer replacement turbos for free, or for a large discount\at cost (but their greed didnt even allow them to do that, they tried to get one more butt-**** in there before they split). If that didn't stop the bleed from carrying over into the other markets (jap cars and such), close down APS (bankrupcy or Out of Biz) and wait for the roar to die down, and use inventory to produce new kits for different market under new company.
Mark my words, Peter will be back. Not under the name APS, and most likely not in the vette\gto\f-body market, maybe not even in the american car market, or maybe not even in the North American continent... but he will be at it again. Its what he does now. It has shown to be profitable, and when caught screwing people...."Who gives a ****? What are those blokes gonna do about it? talk bad on forums? Boo-hoo, i'm crying all the way to the bank".

 

Absolutely. He even has the ***** to try and sell full priced replacements for HIS OWN defective parts.

He is one arrogant SOB. They absolutely knew the quality of the turbos in the kit, to claim to otherwise is a bold lie. "They aren't the genuine mitsu turbos? thats not possible!!" Right, i am sure you ordered from the genuine company and they sent you cheap knock offs. Thats likely.Then Peter has the ***** to try and squeeze more money out of people to remedy the problem he caused by ******* everyone in the first place by charging almost $2000 for ANOTHER PAIR OF KNOCK OFF TURBO's to replace the first POS!!! See for yourself....
Originally Posted by peter@aps
Just for the guys that are interested, it is possible for APS to produce bolt on Garrett GT 35 based ball bearing turbochargers with a 1.06 A/R turbine housing.
Cheers, Peter

scam artist!! When something goes wrong or isnt what the customers\community want to here, its the old "hey, i just work here" routine.But when it comes to pocketing money, i have no doubt he is the owner. No employee would be allowed to be an arrogant douche bag and hurt business like he has.

Absolutely. If anyone sends APS a single dime of their money, they are either completely ignorant and unaware of what has transpired, or they like the feeling of grabbing their ankles to the tune of thousands of dollars in junk turbo containing kits and damaged motors.

1. Yes, yes indeed he did. He fucked everyone good and hard. The lube left on the bad turbo containing kit owner's anii now closely resembles the turbo's he sold after an oiling failure....covered in caked on burnt and crusty lubricant.
2. yup. Like he is going to discover something he doesnt already know. Maybe he will get a refund from his shitty supplier. Probably not. Or perhaps he will spend $300 to have the turbo rebuilt and re-sell it either back to the original owner for $500 or re-use it in another kit. i wouldnt put anything past him.
3. Yup. There may be a small chance that some of the lube covering the anii of APS' blown turbo customers may still have some lubricating capacity left, so far be it from Peter to pass on a chance to screw them in the *** one more time. Much like when a relationship goes sour and a break up is in the air, you try to get that one last "Good bye" screw in, where you try and do all the dirty, kinky **** you didnt get to do or didnt try to do before while together.
i think we all have a ball park idea of what will happen. At least i do. APS already raped many for a sizeable profit. If the word is out and their future sales are in the ******* they will close down and go out of business, but they will be laughing their way to the bank with a plan in place. They will take all their old inventory and use it to make turbo kits for other vehicles under a new company name. Peter and whoever else associated with APS (Dave Inall??? was that the name) will have their association\ownership of the company hidden, and the process will repeat itself only this time it will be with a different vehicle market.

Only when it is convenient for him.

The fact that turbo's are such simple devices with few actual parts, it makes me wonder why they cost over a grand a piece. I mean jesus, it isn't exactly a complex device! Other than balancing and such like you mentioned, their isnt much expense or hard work in making them. You can't really claim "R&D expenses" either as turbos have beeen around forever. Granted maybe some of the newer types like the dual stage or whatever they are called fancy *** turbo's that get used on bmw's and such may be newer technology, but the majority of turbos are not. Seems over-priced. talking about the actual turbo's here now, not the kits that people design. Don't want guys who design bad assed kits and lay out the cash for the design, materials, tooling, etc to get all pissed with me. And you are damn right Peter and APS (really they are one in the same) knew they were selling knock offs. If you wanted to buy a large quantity of any brand named item... a sony TV or a "starter" football jersey for example, its not like some sneaky under-cover chinese dude intercepts the email or post man and then fills the order, sending you cheap knock off **** instead, and then again goes and intercepts the payment. And its not like Sony or Starter in this example would get a customer's large order and say to themselves "hey guys, check this out... We are going to really **** these guys.Instead of sending them out REAL product, we are going to send them cheap *** knock off's and keep the profits!! LOL. Suckers!! "
Of course they knew they were selling cheap ****. They probably hoped it would hold up for a reasonable amount of time, comparable to the actual brand named turbo. If it didn't and things went south, then it is damage control time. If damage control cant be achieved they bail out, which is exactly what they are doing. Does the statement "We are no longer making any more kits for the American muscle car market, including vettes, gto's, f-bodies, new camaro's, etc" sound familiar to anyone?? I would call that bailing out, and the speed in which they made that decision once it was revealed that the turbos were cheap knock offs was amazing!! I mean, what legitimate business that isn't involved in shady dealings have you ever heard make such a huge product decision so quickly upon the announcement of an issue coming up with their product??? None that i have ever seen or known of have done that!!! Not if they are on the level, anyway. APS had a plan like i outlined earlier... If everything went smoothly and no big\costly problems sprung up, great! But if, God forbid, something big\costly occurs, such as the turbos failing and being exposed as cheap knock-off's, it's time to abandon ship!! Announce the withdrawl of APS from the American turbo kit scene. Perhaps offer replacement turbos for free, or for a large discount\at cost (but their greed didnt even allow them to do that, they tried to get one more butt-**** in there before they split). If that didn't stop the bleed from carrying over into the other markets (jap cars and such), close down APS (bankrupcy or Out of Biz) and wait for the roar to die down, and use inventory to produce new kits for different market under new company.
Mark my words, Peter will be back. Not under the name APS, and most likely not in the vette\gto\f-body market, maybe not even in the american car market, or maybe not even in the North American continent... but he will be at it again. Its what he does now. It has shown to be profitable, and when caught screwing people...."Who gives a ****? What are those blokes gonna do about it? talk bad on forums? Boo-hoo, i'm crying all the way to the bank".

 

Exactly right. He is going to replace one set of failed china turbos with another set of **** china turbos. Awesome, and at a nice profit margin for him as well...$1500 for each replacement POS knockoff to replace the original, even shittier POS knock off's that failed in the first place. So that would mean one would need to send Petey $3000 (plus shipping, mind you. APS is no man's sucker) to fix the kit you already spent $6000 or so to purchase. Not a bad deal...$9000 for a kit that still has knock off turbos on it, albeit better knock off's i would hope.

Man, isnt everyone glad they went with a well constructed, top of the line kit produced by an honest, customer service oriented company like APS instead of going with some POS custom kit built by shitty *** sponsors like Virginia Speed, Kentucky Turbo, EPP, East Texas muscle cars, SNL, ETC. who have a terrible track record of putting out absolute garbage and horrible, i mean horrible customer service. Hell, i have even heard of a few of these shops ( i wont name names) doing things like advertising one type of part and installing a knock off of that part, yet charging the customer full price. I have also heard that if they get caught doing this, they either deny it, or offer to replace the part if the customer pays for labor of uninstalling the disputed part, buys the part they want, and pays more labor to install the new part. I have heard them charging customers shipping and a labor fee for them to look at the part they are having a problem with, yet not saying what they would do about it. One place told my buddy "would you look at that, it is a cheap chinese knock off pice of **** part!! Where did you say you got this??" and when my buddy told him he bought it there and they installed it, the guy replied "Sorry wrong number" and quickly hung up!!! Other time my friend has asked to speak to the owner, and once the problem was stated the guy then clasimed to not be the owner, saying he would have to ask managment. I mean, what kind of business does such things?? I have even experienced shops having the mechanics\tuners working on the car using the trunk as a toilet. NO LIE!!! I remember one time i was having some work done on my goat at a sponsors shop. I walked into the garage to take a look at my baby and from where i am standing I see this other guys goat with the truck open, and from my view the Tuner (well known tuner who i wont name, we will call him Tedcmat-ls1) looked to be sitting on the bumper\open trunk area. Well i walked over to talk to him, and as i get closer i see the laptop in his lap. I ask him what he is doing and he says "Tuning this car and reducing my back pressure. I seem to have an exhaust restriction" as he lets out a bit of a chuckle. at what i didnt know. Well, as i rounded the car to talk with himsome more, i see that not only is he sitting on the back of the car with the computer in his lap, but he has his pants around his ankles and hiss *** is hanging over into the trunk. I couldnt believe my eyes, and right as i gained control of my hanging jaw to speak, Tedcmat-ls1 pressed out this biff that rivaled the volume of an open cut-out. Even worse, it was a spray fart coating the customers trunk\fuel cell. He starts laughing hysterically, and as he gets up and pulls his pants up he looks at me and says "I think we found that exhaust restriction, didnt we?" with a big grin. Needless to say i couldn't believe what i saw, and until this day never told the story because i knew that no one would believe me. I still won't disclose the shop or the particular tuner's name because not only will no one believe me, i fear for my safety after seeing the kind of insanity they displayed.

I vote everyone ponies up the $3000 for new APS turbo's and sends the money to Petey pronto. That would be a much better idea than say....perhaps a class action lawsuit by all the guys who bought APS systems claiming s Misleading advertising or bait and switch regarding the turbos I mean, its not like you were sold a defective system with a couple small lil issues like collapsing turbo inlets and failing turbos that could destroy an engine. And if something like this did happen, I am sure APS was right there to stand behind their products and help with the problems, right? They would send out stents for the air inlets, replaced the defective turbos or replaced the ones that were knock offs with the real deal, or at least another working knock off free of charge. They would never see a thread bringing up these issues, and then post on it only to dodge and evade every problematic issue brought up and announce they were leaving the customers high and dry. And no one, i mean NO ONE, would dare to go on such a thread that's purpose is discussing the company's kits' issues and asking for help resolving them only to ignore them, but to actually try and sell them MORE STUFF!!! WHO WOULD DO SUCH A THING??
HINT HINT HINT

 

OMFG!!! I'm rolling around on the ******* floor...

What ******* awesome satire,

And what good satire does well, HIGHLIGHT HUMAN FOLLY!

Wake the **** up people!

 

hmmmm, aps chinesse bb upgrade 3k plus shipping, or lg upgrade for 2800 plus shipping? let me think about that one. lol.

 

I see Peter responded on both GTO and Corvette forums stating the GTO and C5 kits used genuine Mitsubishi turbos. I have not seen him state anywhere that the f-body kits are genuine Mitsubishi turbos.

 

Quoted for posterity in this thread.

 

haha look what i just found browsing on ebay,
"Performance car parts Australia" sounds a little too similar...
also read there 3 principles.
..2. customer satisfaction
http://cgi.ebay.com/VT-VU-VX-VY-VZ-H...d=p3286.c0.m14

 

C5's aren't genuine. They're the same thing as the F-Body kit. C6 apparently was a genuine turbo, though not a mit.

 

LOL, did you notice it states the warranty starts at the time the item is listed, LMAO. Also says warranty is void if used for any type of racing or illegal street driving. WTF else is a person lookin for a turbo kit gonna do with it? Drive 45 in the 65, LMAO. What a joke some of these places are.

 

I had a gut feeling about sending the $$ overseas to buy a kit for my GTO... I even went as far as transferring all my savings to a debit account so I could. Man am I glad I didn't.

 

Hmm. Thats a single turbo setup. From the pics you really cant make out if its a POS or a decent setup.
Considering buying something like this off of Ebay is risky, couldn't a person buy this using their American Express card? that way, if what shows up is a piece of crap the customer can call american express and have them tell the vendor to F themself?

 

I'm not sure how to interpret your post, but it seems like you're implying everyone with an APS kit is an idiot. That being said...

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me a class action lawsuit would cost way more time and money than it's worth. If I flipped burgers for a living, maybe things'd be different because it probably takes three months just to save $5000. All I've lost are two turbos, so I'm going to replace what needs replacing and move on. Furthermore, I'm not sure anyone even has the opportunity to waste $3,000 on the GT35 look alikes. At this point, I'd still buy just the turbine housings if Peter weren't so greedy. What other option do I have since (supposedly) his exhaust manifold flanges are generic?? Welded, tubular manifolds? No thank you! Finally, yes, there are a plethora of turbo kit options out there, but I wanted a TT kit. Not just any TT kit, but SpeedInc's TT kit, the one where just about everything stays in the stock location, and the turbos are mounted low and between the front and rear wheels (for weight distribution reasons). As you're probably aware, that kit ended just about as soon as it began, and Jim was never able to provide cast manifolds, so I was left with APS's.

 

not implying any of you are idiots. Why would you think that? I was implying that perhaps if all the people who had APS turbos self destruct got together, perhaps they could formulate a plan of action beneficial to all.

 

aps= absolute peice of ****

 

If someone actually sends aps a dime after reading this thread, then they deserve what they get, or better yet, dont get.

Peter is nothing but a psychotic who successfully rationalizes to himself that getting something from him is better than getting nothing at all.

Serious mental issues, no joke!