WOW!!! To think I wanted to build a big cube turbo motor next year....... guess its gonna be custom job now. Thanks for the info.

 

I personally dont think he is psychotic (not saying u are wrong, just voicing my personal opinion), but i think you are head on with the rest of that statement.
He has evaded nearly everything regarding the turbo failures, the producer of the turbos, warrantee work, replacements, etc. In fact, the only time he defended himself was when he said something along the lines of "well, at least when APS took your money we delivered you a product\kit, unlike other turbo companies in the USA". So essentially what he is saying is that by his reasoning, the concerns and complaints people have with APS are not valid becausewhile other companies delivered nothing, he at least delivered something.

Its like what he did (subbing in junk chinky turbos to increase profit margin) is ok because others have done worse (not delivered anything). I wonder how that kind of sound logic and reasoning would hold up in court....

Peter: "Your honor, i have done nothing wrong. These flamin' customers claim i am guilty of using cheap turbos in my kits to increase my profits, but Krikey your honor....other shops and kit makers have done far worse and fucked far more people than I. Remember back when Donk was bitten by that spider a few years back, causing him to hallucinate and see everyone as talking kangaroos? Krikey, he walluped a good 30 blokes and shealas combined! He was set free!! Since other blokes deeds have far exceeded my own in both quantity and severity, i have no liability in this claim. Come on mate, i have done no wrong. Ask Wally, he'll tell ya!!"

Judge Peter@APS, in all my years on this bench, that has to be one of the most absurd, asinine justifications i have ever heard. Not only was in completely nonsensical in it's analogies and comparisons, but it was probably the best display of faulty logic and reasoning i have ever heard.
In addition, i find your habit of ignoring questions asked of you extremely irritating and insulting. These people paid good money for a turbo kit they were told contained mitsubishi turbos. Furthermore, they were assured on a constant basis that your company, APS, would stand behind its product. You assured them that APS would "be in it for the long haul", and that "you were not going anywhere". However, shortly after people installed your kits, many people had mechanical issues with the kit. For example, the inlet hose on the turbo would collapse (suck shut) and cut off airflow to the turbo. People brought this to your attention, and yet you offered no help. People had to jury-rig their own "Stents" ,as they called them, to support the tube from collapsing.
Now we have the issue of failing turbos. This is far from an isolated incident, yet you have ignored customers in nearly every aspect. You haven't offered an explanation as to what the problem is, you haven't answered customers emails or PM to you, or the questions posted to you on public threads. In addition to not offering any explanation for the problem nor bothering to help them out in anyway, whether it be to inspect the units you have in inventory for possible manufacturer's defects or calling the manufacturer or offering to replace the defective turbos, you have NOT EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED THE ISSUE OR ANY WRONG DOING ON THE PART OF APS!! You have ignored your customers pleas for help. It appears that you may have subbed in a cheap chinese knock off turbos for the genuine article when selling the kits in order to increase your profit margins. You neither confirm nor deny any claims of doing so, and offer no proof to show APS used genuine turbos. You misled people into believing that the turbos they received in the kit were one brand and yet you sold them another. You lied to people when you promised to stand behind your product and when you told them you and APS would "not be going anywhere" and in it for the long haul. In fact, in addition to ignoring your customers questions\complaints\concerns when the turbo issues arose, you quickly announced your company's withdrawl from the north american muscle car market. This is shady at best, and most likely criminal.

Peter of APS, i find you guilty of the following....
1. Knowingly using substandard turbos to increase profits
2. misleading the consumer into believing they were recieving a different brand of turbo than the kit actually contained
3. ignoring the questions, concerns, and complaints of your paying customers when they ran into issues with your kit
4. having the nerve to announce that APS was withdrawing from the North American turbo market immediately upon word getting out about the "bait and switch" you performed with the turbos in your turbo kits.
5. Having even bigger ***** than previously demonstrated in #4, which you demonstrated by actually trying to sell more chinese knock-off turbos to the people who's turbos had failed, on the very same thread in which you were being called out for using shitty chinese turbos in the first place!! You actually had the audacity to try and sell more shitty knock offs to people who were mad about getting shitty knock offs in the first place.... and at a sizable profit as well, judging by the price you wanted for the replacement turbos. This after you earlier in the thread claiming to be leaving the market and closing up shop, no less.
6. Lying to the consumer\public when you stated you would stand behind your products, and that you and your company APS woud not be going anywhere, the implication being that you would be in business for some time to come and that technical support, customer service, warranty issues would be available to the customer for well into the forseable future. The instant the "turbo caper" came to light, you announced that APS was taking it's ball and going home. You were leaving the north american market, and didnt bother to answer any of the questions, concerns, or complaints asked of you by paying customers of yours. You didnt mention anything about standing behind your product or warranty possiblities, other than to tell people to ship you the turbos (at their expense) and "you would take a look at them". Very comforting.

We the People of Forced Induction modders sentence you, Peter of APS to the following...
1. replacing the turbos that have gone bad with new turbos of the same type in your inventory, free of charge. Customer shall cover shipping cost.
2. Offering the customers with bad turbos who are receiving replacements the opportunity to have you open up and exam the turbos before sent out, and adjusting them and correcting any issues found for a fixed, reasonable amount to be determined later. If said customer does not wish to have you isnpect\correct the turbo, and instead wishes to have a company of his choosing do so, he is eligible for reimbursment using the following guidelines.
a. The customer shall send APS a copy of the receipt for the work done. Upon APS verifying the work being done, APS shall send the customer a rebate in the form of a money order for an amount equal to what APS charges for inspecting and correcting the turbo.
b. a customer having the turbo checked and repaired by an outside company other than APS shall receive only a limited 30 day warranty on the turbo, which only covers a turbo found to be defective by the shop examining it. The turbo shall be sent back to APS at APS' cost, and replaced with an identicle turbo.
3. The replacement turbos in #1 above will be warrantied for 1 year from the date of reception by the customer. The customers in #2 who have APS examine, repair, and or verify the condition of the turbo shall receive a warranty equal to the average warranty offered by other turbo manufacturers for a comparable turbo.
4. Any engines damaged or destroyed by ingesting a failed turbo shall have the damaged parts paid for or will be replaced with the same parts.
5. Each customer of APS who had a turbo fail shall be allowed to kick Peter in the Buttocks 3 times. Pter shall be bent over a table or any object that allows a similar position to be asserted. Peter will then have his hips moved 6 inches back from the table and feet moved in to contact the base of the table, thus putting the buttocks in a protruding, easily accessible position. HE will then be strapped down to prevent movement. The kicker shall not take a running start, and must be delivered with the top of the foot in a "spanking like" contact. The kicker shall not be permitted to kick in a verticle fashion, or with the toe section of the foot\shoe to prevent penetration of receiver's (peter) anus, nor contact with the gonads. These occurrences will be prevented due to the first (anii penetration) likely being pleasing to Peter, and the second (gonad contact) due to possible injury to the customer due to forcefully impacting the large, steel ***** that Peter has been shown to possess.
6. The kickers from #5 shall then be escorted out of the area. Peter will be kept in said position while his pants are dropped around his ankles. At this point, a Zoo keeper shall apply female kangaroo mating pheremones and other mating-inducing scents to peters buttocks. At this point, a male kangaroo that has been sexually aroused will be lead into the area with Peter. This kangaroo will preferably be the largest endowed of the male kangaroos available if possible, but priority will go to the kangaroo that shows the most desire to mate and aggression. The kangaroo will be allowed to make sweet love to Peter as customers read aloud previous quotes of Peter discussing the quality of the turbo kit, and his promise to stand behind his product.



THE END

 

Johnny, that was actually one of the most creative replies I've ever seen.

Anyhow, I just wanted everyone to know I've been in contact with Peter, and I will be having some discussions with him about what is going on with regards to the issues that have been raised.

 

OMG, this thread is kicking so much *** now... I'm literally crying, tears coming out of my eyes, laughing while my students in class think I'm batshit crazy!

Johny GTO, the Muses have not released their grasp on your hands and fingers.

 

I would guess the chinky turbos were the only option when they realized they totally fucked up on the pricing of that kit. so now that they faced totally loosing their *** on delivering the original configuration they feel much better now that they did what they set out to do; to deliver complete kits to all customers. just saying...

it's funny to hear him say that manufacturers in the U.S. didn't deliver with dave inall sitting right there with him.

 

Sadly that little piece by Johny is very accurate for the most part.I have stood up for APS many times and for Peter but seriously silence is damning. They have said on the other forums I guess that the turbos are genuine mits. But did they say yet the f body turbos are genuine mits? They can't be. Genuine mits don't die at the rates these are dying at. Genuine mits run for 100s of thousands of miles .
APS should have to replace any non mits knock off turbo center with a genuine mits turbo centers or give credit equal to the price of replacement mits turbo center sections.They don't have to replace the entire turbo just the centers.

They should as said have supplied stent kits free of charge or replacement inlet hoses free of charge. They should have supplied front sway bar spacers free of charge.

Still waiting for knowledeable turbo shop to 100% confirm with pictures hopefully that these are indeed knock offs and reason for failure would be also nice. Suspect poor balancing,restrictions in the oil cooling inlets and low quality internal parts,poor center housing quality since had one personally crack internally.

Once it is confirmed that these are indeed knock offs then APS should be given short time maybe 30 to 60 days to replace the knock offs with genuine mits centers, at 100% there expense for shipping to the customers they sold the knock offs too.
If they don't they should be smeared on every forum possible, given as bad word of mouth as possible and if any legal means are available ,class action, better business bureau in Australia, australian press, etc should be pursued.
It was clearly stated in the website, bulletproof turbos and mits turbos . As said this right there is clear misleading advertising and knockoffs woudl be bait and switch.

Peter you should not be coming on this forum again unless you are prepared to offer genuine mits turbo centers or money compensation back to allow your customers to buy genuine mits centers or other centers of their choice. We dont' want or need to see offers of upgraded turbos. NO ONE TRUSTS YOU GUYS ANYMORE. Not sure they ever will and you have done huge damage to your company even if you only see the f body or corvette or gto guys as small part of the total market. We have friends, we can post on other boards, buddy was buying a g37 and was thinking of kit but after seeing this stuff with mine he won't be getting one almost for sure.

You can possibly salvage your company but really the first move to salvaging it is likely firing yourself and Dave Inall since everyone remembers how he burned all those people.

I suggest you find a new job in another field. Possibly acting or politics. I am sorry to have to say this stuff. I am afraid to boost up my turbos. I just pray they hold up two more months till put car down for winter and get some quality upgrades in there.
Your cracked turbo just about took out my new 10k engine. I still worry a bit these might grenade and still take it out.
I will of course just yank it and build an LSX 427 or 454 this time around and you can bet it won't be an aps kit going on the car if decide to take this one out.

How a company can look so professional and be such a disappointment. I would have paid another 1000 or so for real mits centers.

And I do think that maybe you did just stick the f body guys as haven't seen that many gto or corvette failures. I have actually seen a lot of gto guys running high boost thru them. So maybe since the f body kit was cheaper you figured pad the bank accounts with knock offs. F the f body guys.. Well F you! Lets see independent review on some of these turbos. Lets confirm 100% they are knock offs. Then lets see APS send credits or genuine mits turbos to those they screwed over. Or by GOD use every means possible now to make their life hell .They will likley just be back again next year but whatever.

The sad thing is for the most part the kit does look to be great quality. A bit more initial cost would have made sure it was all great quality and turbos are the most important part of a turbo kit!!

 

There is no monopoly on scammers. I lost 2000 to sponser on here with great rep until they just shut down in the middle of my build..GMR speed ring a bell?

There have been lots of other american sponsored on here companies that burned people and most were far worse than aps. Like Peter said we were at least shipped a kit with mostly quality parts. Thats not defence for throwing in knockoffs but it is better than what many other guys bought that bought american even sponsors.

I tell you straight out that I have gone from dealing with small companies to mostly only dealing with big ones. I have been burned time and again by little companies. Their size is a weakness.
Had engine builder die in middle of my build. It was finished and engine was shipped but now not that easy to talk to the builder and could have lost all my money on that.
And had to wait months and months past scheduled date. And too early to tell how it wil hold up. So far its ok I guess , a bit more slap maybe than would have liked but it does go away after 5 minutes or so and it is forged pistons set up for a high power 1000rwhp engine.
Point though is small companies can go under in a moment. Partnership war ,lack of capital,etc makes them fragile especially in todays economy.

Your money and your choice. I would for sure be buying with visa and making sure to get refunds if products were not shipped within time period of the visa refund.
I would not be paying 100% up front or more than I had to for turbo kits from small companies.

 

thanks buddy. I am glad someone enjoyed it. The laughs you and maybe some others may get from what i have said are probably the only goood thing to come out of this fiasco.

BBoy, glad you are enjoying yourself and that my post(s) have brought you some happiness.
As far as Muses having a grip on my hands, it is kinda funny you mentioned that. The 3 or so posts i made in this thread are all rather long, in fact they were too long for the forum requirements and had to shorten them...alot. I found myself just typing and typing, like i was on a mission each time i posted a reply on this topic. Reason being that dishonesty and peter's actions, whether you want to call it scamming, conning people, swindling customers, whatever.... these things **** me off to no end!! People work hard for their money, and to take someone's money from them in an unfair and\or dishonest manner is one of gthe shittiest thing a human being can do in this life and really pisses me off beyond belief. Whether it is stealing from someone, committing fraud, or even the government's liberal\socialist tax policies.... taking someone's money in any way other than a fair, honest, and on the level method disgusts me.

I doubt it was the result of a mistake anywhere. What was the way it went supposedly? THe first series of kits came out had real, genuine turbos. It was the second series kit that had bunk ****. Most likely they put out the first series and all went well. Come the second go round, they got greedy and saw the potential income boost of subbing in chinky copy cat turbos.

...and so it went. It bit them in the ***.

thats the hop in the *** about what i wrote. Granted i peppered in a good deal of humor, sarcasm, and entertainment value in what i wrote, but nothing i said was untrue. It was an accurate depiction of APS and Peter's behavior, attitude, and actions. It is disgusting.

 

LOL, well said.

 

Please do keep us informed.

 

That is the most stupid post I have ever read in my life. The answer to this entire issue is very simple. Any person who has actually made an effort to return a product/turbo for warranty assessment within the warranty period has had the issue deallt with. The people who just whine and whine and do nothing about returning the product for warranty inspection get nothing as you would expect.

 

Post this on every forum they are on!

 

You just told a guy to send his garbage turbo to you on his own dime! You know you included chinese knock off turbos, when they eat themselves you should at least step up to the plate and kindly replace them.

How long is the warranty? Knowingly including failure prone turbos with the kit and not extending the warranty if and when they fail is unforgivable.

I wonder what the rate of failure is on the F-body APS turbos? Probably pretty high considering the huge defects that have been pictured.

This is just another example of a vendor NOT standing behind the product which they sell.

I also think it's interesting that the corvette section on APS's site clearly shows genuine garrett units.

 

You guys are so funny.............what is it that you dont understand about returning the product to have it looked at for a possible warranty claim/repair/replacement?

Do you not understand the english language?????

 

Please do............maybe some people out there understand english,

Peter

 

With the dozens and dozens of failures I've read about, I would expect you to at least offer to pay for shipping of just one set of turbos back to you for inspection.

You won't even be honest and admit that you sent everyone knock-off turbos. Nobody is going to remove their blown turbos, pay to send it to you, wait for a response, and hope to get another (junk) replacement, just on your word that if it's a defective product that you'll replace it with a quality part. Nobody is going to trust you enough to do that at this point, not with your attitude through this.

 

He won't address ANY of what you're saying... But yet you don't know English...

He won't say they're genuine.

He won't say they're knock-off.

He won't say the issues are strange.

He won't say the issues are surprising him.

He won't say the issues were expected.

He won't say anything here you guys want to hear...


The kicker...


After he's done posting some narrative WITH NO ANSWER to these issues... Someone will post the questions again...

Then he'll post that you don't know English because he already answered the questions...

******* beautiful!

 

You'd better read this link below because not only do you not understand engilsh you have no idea or maths either.........lol. Dozens and dozens of turbo failuers would be 48 to 60 turbochargers...seem like there's alot less than that in the land of reality.


https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...-failures.html

 

Peter it's pretty clear you intentionally shipped knock-off turbos in your F-body kits, knowing you would be unlikely to get any returns within the 90 day warranty period. Very calculating on your part.

I wonder if we'll get the opportunity to discuss this with you in person at SEMA or PRI?

 

I'd be happy to discuss anything in person if I were in the states at any time.