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Old 03-15-2011, 09:05 AM
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its closer to 52 than 51
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Originally Posted by Fireball
we don't need no sissy sticks
That's what I'm talking about, training wheelies are lame! A wheelie is nothing the right foot can't take care of. Sometimes its even fun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvbMsVrjqOQ
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Originally Posted by lt1camaroman93
That's what I'm talking about, training wheelies are lame! A wheelie is nothing the right foot can't take care of. Sometimes its even fun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvbMsVrjqOQ
there is nothing cool or fun about wheelstands. they generally result in broken parts and sometimes crashes.
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Originally Posted by Fireball
its closer to 52 than 51
At the end of the day its your car, I know with a 35k engine under the hood, I'm taking some precautions on the first few hits. Baby wheel stands on low cars hurt parts quick.
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
there is nothing cool or fun about wheelstands. they generally result in broken parts and sometimes crashes.


I'd have to Strongly disagree from a spectators view! LOL But i know what you're saying from an owner/drivers perspective.

Your car is Bad *** Jay!!
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
there is nothing cool or fun about wheelstands. they generally result in broken parts and sometimes crashes.
That's my car, never once broke a part coming down from a wheelie. Hell, even won that race.
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Originally Posted by lt1camaroman93
That's my car, never once broke a part coming down from a wheelie. Hell, even won that race.
it's alot different when you have 2000+ hp on tap,they don't come back down on their own.
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
it's alot different when you have 2000+ hp on tap,they don't come back down on their own.

and you're going fast enough they can blow over......



wheelstands rock as a spectator, as a guy who knows what parts cost, its usually a "oh that's gonna hurt a lot"
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
it's alot different when you have 2000+ hp on tap,they don't come back down on their own.
So if you close the throttle blades, it still goes up? I'm confused on that one. I only have 1300-1400 on tap, sorry. No big leagues here.
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for some reason this comes to mind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4ivEtuE0Yw
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Originally Posted by lt1camaroman93
So if you close the throttle blades, it still goes up? I'm confused on that one. I only have 1300-1400 on tap, sorry. No big leagues here.

he's referring to they usually won't settle down unless you get out. alot of cars go up but come down under power. a 2000+hp car can go up anywhere on the track
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Originally Posted by lt1camaroman93
So if you close the throttle blades, it still goes up? I'm confused on that one. I only have 1300-1400 on tap, sorry. No big leagues here.
these cars don't wheelie at the hit-it's usually 150-200 ft out,by that time you have alot of speed built up,so when you let off the car slams down pretty hard and unsettles the suspension-which is never good at that speed.
when the car comes down the extra pressure on the nose at that speed just kinda pushes the car harder into the ground.

these cars have very little ground clearance-3-4 inches to the oil pan,combined with the way the frt suspension is set up usually breaks alot of parts.

Brian i can tell you for a fact that 2% off the nose is huge. My 10.5 car we usually run at 51%. so i day we decided to bring it down to 49%. needless to say it hit the bars so hard it sheared one the of pins off holding them to the rear and about stuffed me in the wall.
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
these cars don't wheelie at the hit-it's usually 150-200 ft out,by that time you have alot of speed built up,so when you let off the car slams down pretty hard and unsettles the suspension-which is never good at that speed.
when the car comes down the extra pressure on the nose at that speed just kinda pushes the car harder into the ground.

these cars have very little ground clearance-3-4 inches to the oil pan,combined with the way the frt suspension is set up usually breaks alot of parts.

Brian i can tell you for a fact that 2% off the nose is huge. My 10.5 car we usually run at 51%. so i day we decided to bring it down to 49%. needless to say it hit the bars so hard it sheared one the of pins off holding them to the rear and about stuffed me in the wall.
unfortunately...without adding alot more weight its gonna be tough to get above 52%. the good thing is that I don't think the % matters as much as the actual weight. at 3300 lbs, 51.8% is the same weight up front as 57% at 3000lbs

I am adding 10-15lbs give or take to the front for a few small things I hadn't considered. trans needed a few more qts of oil, motor has 6qts of oil, but I didn't keep the 3qts in the accumulator since its just breakin oil. Also needed to run two -12 lines from the vacuum pump. oil is ~7lbs/gal, and I'm adding 3 qts of motor oil and ~3qts of trans oil...

that all should help up front...I calculate it should bring it to ~52.0%

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dont add weight to the front, take it off the back
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I've cut most of it away...didn't mess with the rear lexan yet...thats about the only place I can shave appreciable weight back there.
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Originally Posted by Fireball
I've cut most of it away...didn't mess with the rear lexan yet...thats about the only place I can shave appreciable weight back there.

Well get that ordered up Car looks amazing in person. It sucks you didn't have it ready to fire when all of us where there Saturday. You and your wife have done some amazing work on that car. Can't wait to see it make some passes
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Originally Posted by lt1camaroman93
That's my car, never once broke a part coming down from a wheelie. Hell, even won that race.
There is a ton of difference in ground clearance in your car and an outlaw radial car. Most ODR cars have 3-4.5" of ground clearance for aerodynamics, your car looks to easily have double if not triple that number. Brian's car is on the low side the those numbers.
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Originally Posted by Fireball
I've cut most of it away...didn't mess with the rear lexan yet...thats about the only place I can shave appreciable weight back there.
The rear lexan is about 24 lbs lighter then the stock glass... from the sounds of it, that would probably take care of the weight off the back, enough to get your %'s where you want them....

Car sounds great, and came out amazing. To think you did it all in your garage too. You sir are a couple levels higher then I can ever hope to get to in this game... good show.

Now let that monster loose... we want to see it run some #'s! When is the first cecil event that you will run at, I'd love to make a trip down and see it make some passes... maybe steal those hoosier tires you had laying around too, for mockup Gonna need something soon hopefully!
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April 2 is the first event. I'm hoping to start testing this weekend...but they are calling for showers on Friday now
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Now you get to play the weather game..... that was the one thing that used to drive me nuts. Especially when you're trying to plan a weekend to go a week in advance (I don't do last minute.. that's how things get 1/2 assed)

Hopefully for our sake, the weather works out in your favor. Please, put the wheelie bars on for the first runs, and set them low. That above vodeo reminds me of my sig pic... at no point did I think the car was going on the bumper. 50 hp of jet change, was all it took to go from leaving with the tires 8 inches in the air for 30 feet, to trying to flip over! And you probably make more power in the burnout box then my car made, period!
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