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[QUOTE=Transdamit] i hooked up the bov just like the instructions said one to the intake and one to the turbo housing
If your talking about the Blow off valve the top port should be conected to to a vacume source(intake) and the bottom port should be left open(vent). But if your talking about the wastgate thats a differant story. The blow off should stay open untill you go into boost.
If your talking about the Blow off valve the top port should be conected to to a vacume source(intake) and the bottom port should be left open(vent). But if your talking about the wastgate thats a differant story. The blow off should stay open untill you go into boost.
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[QUOTE=MYTURBOT/A] Yep, the BOV(bypass) should be open under vacuum conditions and recirculate the air back to the air intake piping if it's a pull through MAF setup. Then under boost it should close to prevent leaks. Is that how the QMP kit is setup, I've never seen one myself?
Originally Posted by Transdamit
i hooked up the bov just like the instructions said one to the intake and one to the turbo housing
If your talking about the Blow off valve the top port should be conected to to a vacume source(intake) and the bottom port should be left open(vent). But if your talking about the wastgate thats a differant story. The blow off should stay open untill you go into boost.
If your talking about the Blow off valve the top port should be conected to to a vacume source(intake) and the bottom port should be left open(vent). But if your talking about the wastgate thats a differant story. The blow off should stay open untill you go into boost.
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ok rob i didnt know about the mass air sensor until you told me about it on thurs,im not flaming you but you just jumped down my throat for no reason,ant the installation is right thats my end dons end is tuning and he says thats right so i dont know what else to think,and we took off the bov lines and plugged them,on the wg the bottom one is open and the top one is going to the turbo housing,now on the bov the bottom one is to the housing and the top one is to the intake,i adjusted it like you said but at idle and part throttle it stays open therfor setting a check engine light for the mass air sensor,and no matter how much i turn that screw it still stays open,thats why i think that the valve is faulty,so lets just stop the bullshit then and see if we can all just figgure this out,i would love to have it running right,and rob im going to send you a pm right now i dont want this on the board
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The valve is suppose to be open at Part throttle. Leave the BOV top port hooked to the intake and the bottom port open as your vent. On the WG the port marked boost which should be the bottom one should go to the intake not the comp. housing and the other port left open unless you have a boost controler. Sounds to me like the instructions are backwards you have the WG hooked up how the BOV should be and the BOV how the WG should be.
the wastegate is mounted upsidedown in this kit.. make sure you are going to the 'side' port and the 'end' port is going to atmosphere
the other side of the tube originally goes to the turbo discharge.. but if you want to see a touch more boost without a controller you can go to the intake behind the throttlebody.
if you want more boost on low low bucks then you can run a low psi air pressure regulator in this line, as you crank it closed your boost will go up.
i have these at work and i can send you one to fool with if you want. but lowes/homedepot etc. should have.
the bov.. my ssqv only had one port that port is connected to a vaccum source, meaning has to go behind the throttlebody. then the screw on the back you loosen until you can hear air leaking at idle, then give it a couple turns back in and lock down.
the bov's with two ports i didnt think they were or needed to be adjustable becuase of the second 'balance' port. that is connected to a boost only source (in front of the tb)
either way it should definitely not be open at idle unless you are running the recircluation tubing after the bov. i havent seen the standard bov with the recirculation set up on a car myself, but thats how it should work.
the other side of the tube originally goes to the turbo discharge.. but if you want to see a touch more boost without a controller you can go to the intake behind the throttlebody.
if you want more boost on low low bucks then you can run a low psi air pressure regulator in this line, as you crank it closed your boost will go up.
i have these at work and i can send you one to fool with if you want. but lowes/homedepot etc. should have.
the bov.. my ssqv only had one port that port is connected to a vaccum source, meaning has to go behind the throttlebody. then the screw on the back you loosen until you can hear air leaking at idle, then give it a couple turns back in and lock down.
the bov's with two ports i didnt think they were or needed to be adjustable becuase of the second 'balance' port. that is connected to a boost only source (in front of the tb)
either way it should definitely not be open at idle unless you are running the recircluation tubing after the bov. i havent seen the standard bov with the recirculation set up on a car myself, but thats how it should work.
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Your MAF light is a totaly different problem then the way the BOV is connected. make sure you have all the piping for the BOV connected. Are you setup as a blow through or draw through right now?
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Originally Posted by Transdamit
im not flaming you but you just jumped down my throat for no reason
well first off rob im kind of pissed that you didnt call like you said you were going to
Originally Posted by Transdamit
its prob a pos bov that will have to be replaced as it is,third what do you mean thats not that bad if i had known i was going to gain so little i would have spent 6000 less and just sprayed the thing,compared to your claims the kit isnt doing as it sholuld,i dont mean to be getting testie but i spent a lot of money and time,to get what........ 80 more hp,and a busted *** bov,doesnt make sense,so i guess now i have to spend another 500 that i dont have for a boost controller just to get somthing out of it,well maybe you can charge me the differance on one in place of the ed write tuning that i didnt use,anything i feel like ive been violated
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and rob im going to send you a pm right now i dont want this on the board
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Lets get this straight,once and for all!!!!!!!
I had absolutely nothing to do with the install!!!! I went to Transdamit's shop personally to scale his injectors and give a starting timing map..It was snowing so we didn't take out the car at that time.
The next day he drove to my house and said the car runs like crap..I asked if he checked all his work.He was very confident of his work and everything was right..I then tuned in the injectors and the car was running bad when loading the the engine up.After a little while I got it running good to 1/4 throttle and we were done till the dyno.At this time I asked him to take it very easy till the dyno,so what does he do when he leaves my house???Gets on it hard and pulls a MAF code
I did say take it easy!!!!
Two day's later I go to his work again.I take the car and instantly notice it's running bad.I go under the car and pull the vacuum line off the BOV..Guess what??It runs a 100% better.I guess the install was not right and I was wasting my time,,,AGAIN!!!
Now,I told him many times to take off the BOV so we can tune it..He doesn't!!Keep's jerking with it!!Obviously we were having a problem with it,so delete it for now!!Very simple!!
Last night we go to the dyno when it's 5 degree's out.After a few pulls working our way up the rpm range to check A/F and timing I notice boost pressure dropping.Low and behold another BOV problem!!
So,is this straight now.I only tuned this car and I'm tuning around the installers mistakes!!!
I'm pissed like Rob is about this.Now I know why he only sells this installed,it keeps people from installing it wrong and blaming him....
I had absolutely nothing to do with the install!!!! I went to Transdamit's shop personally to scale his injectors and give a starting timing map..It was snowing so we didn't take out the car at that time.
The next day he drove to my house and said the car runs like crap..I asked if he checked all his work.He was very confident of his work and everything was right..I then tuned in the injectors and the car was running bad when loading the the engine up.After a little while I got it running good to 1/4 throttle and we were done till the dyno.At this time I asked him to take it very easy till the dyno,so what does he do when he leaves my house???Gets on it hard and pulls a MAF code
I did say take it easy!!!!Two day's later I go to his work again.I take the car and instantly notice it's running bad.I go under the car and pull the vacuum line off the BOV..Guess what??It runs a 100% better.I guess the install was not right and I was wasting my time,,,AGAIN!!!
Now,I told him many times to take off the BOV so we can tune it..He doesn't!!Keep's jerking with it!!Obviously we were having a problem with it,so delete it for now!!Very simple!!
Last night we go to the dyno when it's 5 degree's out.After a few pulls working our way up the rpm range to check A/F and timing I notice boost pressure dropping.Low and behold another BOV problem!!
So,is this straight now.I only tuned this car and I'm tuning around the installers mistakes!!!
I'm pissed like Rob is about this.Now I know why he only sells this installed,it keeps people from installing it wrong and blaming him....
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I have my daughter this weekend. I was late picking her up last night, and we were also late for the movie I took her to. I wasn't going to call you from the movie and leave her there alone. I'm sorry I didn't spend my time "off work" on you. Maybe next time you can plan your dyno tuning session during our business hours, instead of expecting me to call you when we are closed?
It amazes what people can actually expect from me...believe it or not, I actually have a life outside of LS1Tech and QMP.
It amazes what people can actually expect from me...believe it or not, I actually have a life outside of LS1Tech and QMP.
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
Lets get this straight,once and for all!!!!!!!
I had absolutely nothing to do with the install!!!! I went to Transdamit's shop personally to scale his injectors and give a starting timing map..It was snowing so we didn't take out the car at that time.
The next day he drove to my house and said the car runs like crap..I asked if he checked all his work.He was very confident of his work and everything was right..I then tuned in the injectors and the car was running bad when loading the the engine up.After a little while I got it running good to 1/4 throttle and we were done till the dyno.At this time I asked him to take it very easy till the dyno,so what does he do when he leaves my house???Gets on it hard and pulls a MAF code I did say take it easy!!!!
Two day's later I go to his work again.I take the car and instantly notice it's running bad.I go under the car and pull the vacuum line off the BOV..Guess what??It runs a 100% better.I guess the install was not right and I was wasting my time,,,AGAIN!!!
Now,I told him many times to take off the BOV so we can tune it..He doesn't!!Keep's jerking with it!!Obviously we were having a problem with it,so delete it for now!!Very simple!!
Last night we go to the dyno when it's 5 degree's out.After a few pulls working our way up the rpm range to check A/F and timing I notice boost pressure dropping.Low and behold another BOV problem!!
So,is this straight now.I only tuned this car and I'm tuning around the installers mistakes!!!
I'm pissed like Rob is about this.Now I know why he only sells this installed,it keeps people from installing it wrong and blaming him....
I had absolutely nothing to do with the install!!!! I went to Transdamit's shop personally to scale his injectors and give a starting timing map..It was snowing so we didn't take out the car at that time.
The next day he drove to my house and said the car runs like crap..I asked if he checked all his work.He was very confident of his work and everything was right..I then tuned in the injectors and the car was running bad when loading the the engine up.After a little while I got it running good to 1/4 throttle and we were done till the dyno.At this time I asked him to take it very easy till the dyno,so what does he do when he leaves my house???Gets on it hard and pulls a MAF code
I did say take it easy!!!!Two day's later I go to his work again.I take the car and instantly notice it's running bad.I go under the car and pull the vacuum line off the BOV..Guess what??It runs a 100% better.I guess the install was not right and I was wasting my time,,,AGAIN!!!
Now,I told him many times to take off the BOV so we can tune it..He doesn't!!Keep's jerking with it!!Obviously we were having a problem with it,so delete it for now!!Very simple!!
Last night we go to the dyno when it's 5 degree's out.After a few pulls working our way up the rpm range to check A/F and timing I notice boost pressure dropping.Low and behold another BOV problem!!
So,is this straight now.I only tuned this car and I'm tuning around the installers mistakes!!!
I'm pissed like Rob is about this.Now I know why he only sells this installed,it keeps people from installing it wrong and blaming him....
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
And the BOV is venting into to the atmosphere!!Not right with a pull through MAF!!!
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depends on what bov set up you are using.. as i mentioned if it is just a pull type bov then the idle would be unaffected with or without the recirculation tubing.
if its a push pull type then there could be a situation where no air is being metered as air entering the engine is comming from the bov port.
Originally Posted by Slowhawk
And the BOV is venting into to the atmosphere!!Not right with a pull through MAF!!!
That probably makes tuning rather difficult.
And the BOV is venting into to the atmosphere!!Not right with a pull through MAF!!!
That probably makes tuning rather difficult.
if its a push pull type then there could be a situation where no air is being metered as air entering the engine is comming from the bov port.
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ok rob but you said that you were going to call dont offer if your not going to,and its not my install,im confident on that..........well ya know what **** all this ****,anyone looking to buy an 02 firehawk with a qmp turbo kit.because now im an ******* apparently for doing nothing wrong,pm me if your interested in the car,oh and don i didnt get on it anymore than i did with you in the car and didnt even bring it past 3k and that light came on because of the bov not me getting on it i dont know why your bashing me i didnt say anything about you your tuning or you doing the install so why are you doing that to me,and a messed up bov is not the installers fault,if you dont want to do the tune then just tell me and ill find someone els then jesus christ i shold have just canceled the order like i was going to originally
I'm not bashing,just stating the facts!!This car is making me look like I know nothing about tuning or how turbo's work!It's hurting my bussiness and Rob's as well.
I give suggestions on what to do and it is not being done...I'm not new to force induction setups...I will be here to tune as said before..
You've blamed everyone but yourself? The car can run great with alittle work..
I give suggestions on what to do and it is not being done...I'm not new to force induction setups...I will be here to tune as said before..
You've blamed everyone but yourself? The car can run great with alittle work..
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it has been done the bov is diconected and blocked and i never said anything bad about your tuning look back and see all the posts their all good about you,man sorry im pissed that i spent 10 grand for 80 hp,so just forget im getting rid of the car and going to just build an old vette and ill just do it all on my own and rely on my poor installation skills
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Take the car to the dyno with the BOV off. Make sure the WG is ok and then retune.
I wouldn't be blaming anyone yet.
Just remove the BOV and get it back on the dyno. DONT hammer the car at all.
You have to be very patient with FI, sometimes it takes many trips to the dyno to get things sorted out.
Chris
Take the car to the dyno with the BOV off. Make sure the WG is ok and then retune.
I wouldn't be blaming anyone yet.
Just remove the BOV and get it back on the dyno. DONT hammer the car at all.
You have to be very patient with FI, sometimes it takes many trips to the dyno to get things sorted out.
Chris
Last edited by Chris ARE 360; Jan 10, 2004 at 01:28 PM.