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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 05:01 PM
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The other night after a nice 2nd-4th pull at 15psi I drove the car about 2 miles(after the pull) to a gas station, waited 10 seconds and shut the car off...I got back in the car about 10 min later and left and as I was leaving I floored it and there was 0 boost..long story short the turbo seized solid. The setup has been on the car untouched for about 5k miles and the oil is changed every 1500 miles. I pulled the feed line off, put it into a bottle and started the car. The bottle was almost filled in less than 5 seconds so I know its not an oiling issue. The car never acted funny and this just came out of nowhere. My turbo feed line is about 70" long and I have a -10an return line. The car has never smoked in or out of boost and there were no warning signs..any ideas on how this could of happened?
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 05:09 PM
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Pulled it apart yet? Any marks on the inside of the exhaust or compressor housings?

Any blockage post oil feed line that could cause bearing failure
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 11:24 PM
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Pulled it apart yet? Any marks on the inside of the exhaust or compressor housings?

Any blockage post oil feed line that could cause bearing failure
Neither wheel made contact and I unhooked the drain and started the car and oil was pissing out of it..so I know that wasn't blocked either.
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Old Aug 4, 2010 | 11:42 PM
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I have had about 7 pt88 failures, 5 of them were when I was pushing one preety hard(20 psi) on a 408 motor. Was it a new turbo, under PTE warranty?
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Old Aug 5, 2010 | 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by black98ws6ta
I have had about 7 pt88 failures, 5 of them were when I was pushing one preety hard(20 psi) on a 408 motor. Was it a new turbo, under PTE warranty?
I bought it new from them yes..and I was only at 15psi on my 364ci engine...they have it now and said it would be about 2.5 weeks...im hoping its covered under warranty, I bought it from them last October and put it in this May...
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Old Aug 5, 2010 | 12:52 AM
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wow def seeing what that cause is... any body know how well precision is on calln u back and lettin u knw?
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Old Aug 5, 2010 | 08:43 AM
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i had that happen to me twice. just took it out for a little easy spin up the road and it locked up. my opinion..those turbos are junk.

prcision told me it was from oil starvation and i needed a bigger feed. i guess a -4 feed and -10 drain was not big enough. then they told me it was cause my 364cu motor was too big for that turbo and that the pt88 was designed for buick grand national guys with V6s.
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Old Aug 5, 2010 | 08:51 AM
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i had that happen to me twice. just took it out for a little easy spin up the road and it locked up. my opinion..those turbos are junk.

prcision told me it was from oil starvation and i needed a bigger feed. i guess a -4 feed and -10 drain was not big enough. then they told me it was cause my 364cu motor was too big for that turbo and that the pt88 was designed for buick grand national guys with V6s.
Mine came off a GN. LOL

So, Snyper and/or CJG, did you guys try taking your turbos apart to see for yourselves what happened? These things are super simple inside. Should be able to figure out the failure in no time. I rebuilt mine recently as it's almost 10 years old and it was a piece of cake. Cost me less than 100 bucks. Hardest thing was getting the exh housing off but now I know the trick.
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Originally Posted by 98Z28CobraKiller
Mine came off a GN. LOL

So, Snyper and/or CJG, did you guys try taking your turbos apart to see for yourselves what happened? These things are super simple inside. Should be able to figure out the failure in no time. I rebuilt mine recently as it's almost 10 years old and it was a piece of cake. Cost me less than 100 bucks. Hardest thing was getting the exh housing off but now I know the trick.
IMO it must be fairly hard to diagnos the actual cause of the failure. PTE and other places kept telling me I have oil starvation issues..then after the 3-4th rebuild they started to conclude I was pushing it too hard and over spinning it.
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If it was an oil starvation issue im pretty sure I would of figured this out thousands of miles ago..not all the sudden..and as for pushing it too hard, I was at 15psi which is hardly working the turbo.
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Have you had anyone check the balance?

I've had both my PT106 and 88 crash due to Precision not balancing them. The 106 had idle time and the 88 had dyno time.
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No I haven't. Didn't think id need to with a brand new turbo..
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Originally Posted by Snyper
If it was an oil starvation issue im pretty sure I would of figured this out thousands of miles ago..not all the sudden..and as for pushing it too hard, I was at 15psi which is hardly working the turbo.
i had mine over a year and a bunch of passes. in the end...they said oil starvation. its a junk turbo.
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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by cjg454ss
i had mine over a year and a bunch of passes. in the end...they said oil starvation. its a junk turbo.
I have a -4?(maybe 3..same size as the nitrous lines to the nozzle) with no restriction..youd think it would of happened thousands of miles ago...
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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 11:53 AM
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I have also had one of those turbos rear mounted on a c6 vette for over 2 years with no problems.
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-4 minimum on those turbos. The bearing package requires it due to the rotor group weight.
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It likely failed because its a PT88

Mine did the same... I had ForcedInduction rebuild me a PT88/91 that they balanced (twice) and it seems to be working great so far!
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Originally Posted by longrange4u
It likely failed because its a PT88

Mine did the same... I had ForcedInduction rebuild me a PT88/91 that they balanced (twice) and it seems to be working great so far!

Glad you like that sucker. Its making some big power.......zero balance does wonders.
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Never had good luck with PTE's on imports and I assume the bigger turbos are no different.
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Originally Posted by DrTurbo
-4 minimum on those turbos. The bearing package requires it due to the rotor group weight.
Yeah im pretty sure its a -4. I got what they recommended.
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