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Old Feb 19, 2012 | 06:47 PM
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This car was purchased with the intention of making a fun street car. Recently a local shop (On long island New York) has been asking that I put the car together for a shot at the stock short/long block record. The shop will remain anonymous as they are not a current sponsor on ls1tech. A majority of this work is done in my garage with the help of some very skilled people.

If any specifics are incorrect please mention it to me. I am unsure of what is considered “stock” or acceptably modified stock parts.


1989 mustang notchback white with black molding
tinted head lights
3inch cowl hood
dual 2 5/8 gauge pod on cowl (vacuum, fuel pressure)
weld pro stars(painted black) 15x3 1/2 (hoosier front runners)
15x10 w/6.5 backspacing (mickey thompson 28x10.5 slicks)

8.8 rear with svo girdle narrowed 1.5inches in total (.75in a side)
35 spline moser axles wit 5/8 studs
moser spool with 4.56 gears
Double adjustable upper control arms
Single adjustable lowers
Double adjustable QA1 coil overs with Afco springs
Anti roll bar
custom made sub frame connectors
Wolfe racecraft mini tub kit wit frame rail notch
AJE tublar front k-member wit tublar lower arm
QA1 single adjustable coilovers with 12/125lb afco springs
Caster camber plates
AJE tublar tranny crossmember

MOTOR:
6.0 LQ4 (stock bore)
Stock crank
Stock rods
Stock pistons
Hellfire rings
Ported/milled 317 heads w/ lunati gold dual valve springs
ARP rod bolts
ARP head studs
Stock lifters
LS6 camshaft

TRANSMISSION
Home built turbo 400
Neal chance converter
SFI flexplate
3in drive shaft 1350 joints (nassau drive shaft)
-6an cooler lines with tranny cooler with fan

INTERIOR:
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18in driver seat 17in passenger seat
5point harness
B&M pro stick
5inch monster tach,oil pressure,water temp, trans temp (all gauges silver faced)
10point c/m cage cert to 8.50

Induction: To be determined
Truck manifolds feeding a S400sx turbo?












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Old Feb 19, 2012 | 08:00 PM
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Nice car mine is almost exactly the same but has lq9 and gt88. Wiring and turbo kit done.by maxxmitchell and skinnies the record holder we will have mine out later this year already blew up a lq4 so switching to the lq9 now
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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 02:35 AM
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Hmmmm??? another Spoolin_Notch lol
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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by cause4panic
MOTOR:
6.0 LQ4 (stock bore)
Stock crank
Stock rods
Stock pistons
Hellfire rings
I'm guessing you are replacing bearings also? I don't consider it a contender for the stock shortblock record with different bearings/rings. The car should fly though.
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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 08:07 AM
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Stock shortblock....Aren't they all....
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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 08:45 AM
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Stock bearings skinnies
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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by skinnies
I'm guessing you are replacing bearings also? I don't consider it a contender for the stock shortblock record with different bearings/rings. The car should fly though.
Stock bearings, i still have the stock piston rings. They have been marked for each bore / top / bottom. Is there an official or accepted set of rules? Is there a stock rotating assembly record?
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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 09:56 AM
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The 4.56 gears may only get you to the eighth.(unless you only plan to run a mid 10 in the quarter)

We have a 33" tall tire in the 3rd gen, and our 4.10s that are in it are going to run out before the quarter.

Also with the 4.56 gears and the 2.48 first gear of the T400, if you can get it to hook, then the power it takes to get a good sixty is going to make it impossible to keep the front end on the ground. You may need to leave in second gear, and then only go to the eighth.

A quick calculation shows a 30 inch tall tire only gets you to 133 and that would be with no slip in the converter considered, and a tire taller than it looks like you are running.

Keep the build pics coming.
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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by atomic 6
The 4.56 gears may only get you to the eighth.
The 4.56 gears were a leftover from when the car was a allout N/A car. They will be changed out as the build progresses.
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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 10:23 AM
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Should fly! any idea on what the car will weigh?
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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BMF_Racing
Should fly! any idea on what the car will weigh?
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A few photos of the car when it was still N/A





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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 12:16 PM
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Far from a stock shortblock if you have ARP rod bolts.. Do people really not know what "stock" is??
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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by pwrtrip75
Far from a stock shortblock if you have ARP rod bolts.. Do people really not know what "stock" is??
From another thread....

Originally Posted by Fbodyjunkie06
I see you haven't been around the F/I section in the past 1 or 2 years.

To us in this site a Stock Bottom End means, a stock block, stock rods, and stock pistons along. Rod bolts and head studs are up in the air, but the general stock bottom end guideline is that each block will have stock rods/ pistons and crank in them. Mines has done it for 20k miles and since 2006. ALthought that's only 640rwhp it's help up fine with good gas at the track, and meth injection.
Can we start calling this the "stock rotating assembly record"?
It would at least end all the BS arguing.
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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by pwrtrip75
Far from a stock shortblock if you have ARP rod bolts.. Do people really not know what "stock" is??
I don't see why people have to fill his thread full of bs. Keep your opinions about if it is, or isn't a stock short block to yourself! Anyways nice build keep the pics coming!
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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 05:09 PM
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1st post:

Originally Posted by cause4panic
If any specifics are incorrect please mention it to me. I am unsure of what is considered “stock” or acceptably modified stock parts.

Originally Posted by 2002camaroSS
I don't see why people have to fill his thread full of bs. Keep your opinions about if it is, or isn't a stock short block to yourself! Anyways nice build keep the pics coming!
I think he would like opinions.
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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 09:15 PM
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Hasn't really been any BS, it's been acceptable for years that replacing rod bolts are ok, but rings/bearings or modifying the crank/rods/pistons or mixing/matching parts isn't. The argument came up years ago when tirefryin freshened up a motor and it wasn't considered a contender for stock shortblock anymore. My shortblock is completely stock down to rod bolts, stock oil pump, stock timing chain, stock crank/rods/pistons/rings/bearings, etc. The only thing we did to the motor was head studs, head gaskets, good springs/pushrods, small cam, that is it.
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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 11:26 PM
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Are you reusing your bearings ? I've always was under the impression that was not a good thing to do ?
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Old Feb 22, 2012 | 12:43 AM
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id reuse any bearing if they looked good.
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Old Feb 22, 2012 | 10:33 AM
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the only thing i see keeping it from a being a true stock shortblock contender is the rings. I mean when people cam their car, they usually do an oil pump and its still considered stock shortblock. So as long as you havent touched the actual rotating assembly (crank, rods pistons, bearings, rings) its pretty much stock.

Look at where most of these motors fail, usually a combo of the stock piston/rings..
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Old Feb 22, 2012 | 12:23 PM
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If you have an untouched bottom end its stock... If you took it apart it is no longer stock... Its just factory PARTS you are using. So technically you could send everything out to get cryo'd and have everything balanced perfect... and have a decent bottom end and still claim its stock.... BS. You take it apart and its no longer stock. -My opinion.
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