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Martin has provided us some really good advice as far as tuning goes and putting together a turbo kit/motor. something not alot of people do on here.
i say let it go Martin and keep doing your thing, your doing a great ****** job!!!
i say let it go Martin and keep doing your thing, your doing a great ****** job!!!
I just have one question.....Does this mean that if the old cam was swapped back in it would automatically lose 125rwhp? If the 125rwhp gain was undeniably positively due to the cam change and the cam change ONLY, then if the old cam were swapped back in, is that a guarantee that it would lose the 125rwhp? I have no dog in the fight, just a curious passerby.
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I just have one question.....Does this mean that if the old cam was swapped back in it would automatically lose 125rwhp? If the 125rwhp gain was undeniably positively due to the cam change and the cam change ONLY, then if the old cam were swapped back in, is that a guarantee that it would lose the 125rwhp? I have no dog in the fight, just a curious passerby.
Well yes, since that is the ONLY thing that changed ( no plugs, no cats, nothing else) was the cam.. And of course it would need to be tuned agian.. Talked to my tuner today and kind of mentioned all the talk on here, was saying there's a lot of people not believing the differance. He just kind of laughed and shook his head..
I have not done much cam testing on chassis dyno, so I'm not sure what would happen on that type of dyno. On the engine dyno with all variables controlled I would not expect 25hp difference between the cams unless the valve train loses control.
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I just have one question.....Does this mean that if the old cam was swapped back in it would automatically lose 125rwhp? If the 125rwhp gain was undeniably positively due to the cam change and the cam change ONLY, then if the old cam were swapped back in, is that a guarantee that it would lose the 125rwhp? I have no dog in the fight, just a curious passerby.
I know no one that is associated with the thread is how I will start off. I will say that Martin get on here and says hey, I had a cam ground that picked up 125hp. The owner of the cars get on here and agrees that it picked up 125hp. Why would either one of the two disagree with the other for fear of looking like a failure? The car owner wants to justify his money spent and the guy taking the money wants the owner to feel good about his purchase. So the credibility of either is out because why would they get on the internet and want to be perceived as a failure? Now the reality of it is this, imo. . . Something had to be wrong with the original combo to only make the power it did with that cam. Maybe running on 7 cylinders on the original dyno then now running on all 8? Or belt slip, or something. It doesn't add up. Just my opinion.
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I will say that Aaron installed this cam nearly a month ago.
This wasn't something I said to myself, hey....I'm going to make myself look good.... or Aaron, let's mess with these guys and make us both look good.
I still cannot think why Aaron, who doesn't know me from Adam, would tell you guys that this is all that was changed, if it wasn't the case? What does he have to gain from it?
Sub-par expectations yield sub-par results.
This wasn't something I said to myself, hey....I'm going to make myself look good.... or Aaron, let's mess with these guys and make us both look good.
I still cannot think why Aaron, who doesn't know me from Adam, would tell you guys that this is all that was changed, if it wasn't the case? What does he have to gain from it?
Sub-par expectations yield sub-par results.
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As an example, here was a test I did. Still not perfectly controlled but the best I could do on a chassis dyno.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...dyno-test.html
I agree with others that the first cam really doesn't seem off or out of the ordinary to me, especially to say that it would lose 125rwhp over what you have in there currently.
Not trying to bust your ***** or say anything negative about the cam you chose but honestly, dyno pulls chopped off short and trailing off lean aren't providing enough information to validate gains.
JMHO
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I'm just reporting back about a happy customer. It seems the other sponsors on this site don't like the new guy stepping on their territory is how this looks and feels to me. From the number of PM's I've gotten so far, I'm not the only one who feels this way along with others who've voiced their opinions privately on the matter to me outside of the site.
There is no way any amount of timing, AFR change or anything tuning related could alter the gains this much.
This wasn't a deal where we even thought it would pick up this much. I honestly thought 50rwhp would be the most it could gain, maybe 75rwhp and it did what it did. I never planned on running any scientific tests or anything to appease the vendors on LS1tech and control every variable. I have a happy customer who loves the work I did for him and it seems that the other vendors are hating every minute of it. A happy customer rubs off on other potential customers and sways them away from their business and of possibly making profit. The only way to stop that is to discredit the guy who designed the cam in question.
I know I will be told I'm wrong, and I don't know my *** from a hole in the ground, but I'm not the only one who is seeing it that way right now. All this talk of trying to discredit the results is only making those who are doing the discrediting look even worse, not me.
There is no way any amount of timing, AFR change or anything tuning related could alter the gains this much.
This wasn't a deal where we even thought it would pick up this much. I honestly thought 50rwhp would be the most it could gain, maybe 75rwhp and it did what it did. I never planned on running any scientific tests or anything to appease the vendors on LS1tech and control every variable. I have a happy customer who loves the work I did for him and it seems that the other vendors are hating every minute of it. A happy customer rubs off on other potential customers and sways them away from their business and of possibly making profit. The only way to stop that is to discredit the guy who designed the cam in question.
I know I will be told I'm wrong, and I don't know my *** from a hole in the ground, but I'm not the only one who is seeing it that way right now. All this talk of trying to discredit the results is only making those who are doing the discrediting look even worse, not me.
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Because you're a sales guy, that just started working at tick, you're 24, you read the Internet a lot, and claim to know
More than you do.
If you truly have tuned a 1000+ hp car, you'll know exactly what happens when timing or airfuel does when put on the limit, and you won't make claims like "no amount of timing or air fuel could make that difference".....
You may have good customer service, but you lack real world experience. It's nothing
Personal, it's just business.
More than you do.
If you truly have tuned a 1000+ hp car, you'll know exactly what happens when timing or airfuel does when put on the limit, and you won't make claims like "no amount of timing or air fuel could make that difference".....
You may have good customer service, but you lack real world experience. It's nothing
Personal, it's just business.
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There you go, trying to dodge bullets and divert attention.
That was 2001 broham. I'm
Pretty sure you were 13 at the time. And his were 34, mine were 32" with a weld on Collector, not slip on.
Remember when I asked you if you had tuned a 1000 + hp car? Oh wait. You never have. par for the course I Suppose. You should go back to yellow bullet and learn more.
You just spec'ed a bunch of blower and turbo cams but you did ZERO in house or dyno validation. You have no clue what they do. But you're the expert.
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you dont have to be an expert to notice that the first dyno graphs had something really fucked up going on with that huge high rip dip, its either a valvetrain problem or belt slip, or wheelspin on the dyno etc...
While swapping out the cam, something else was undeliberately fixed and caused the big jump in power, otherwise maybe 20hp would be from the cam, and not 105rwhp.
While swapping out the cam, something else was undeliberately fixed and caused the big jump in power, otherwise maybe 20hp would be from the cam, and not 105rwhp.
Timing and fuel on a big powered car is tricky and can make or break the combo. I am doing my own tuning and I must say that it's an art. I commend the guys that do it on a daily basis and can get it right in a few pulls. Just as an observer I have to agree with Louis on a lot of things he has said. Remember the thread by the Alchemist that he told you to leave because he was tired of your hear say repeating of useless bullshit? I observe and see you doing this a lot to get your name out there and post count up. This thread is of epic proportions, lol.