F1X cam I did
I was even trying to be logical about it and say " Hey, its possible to pick up 75rwhp when switching from a stock cam to an aftermarket cam on an N/A motor, so you add a bar of boost and you could potentially double your gains". But then again the owner didnt switch from a stock cam to an aftermarket cam.
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I guess what I meant to say was that 1-2 degrees isn't going to change 125hp.
And I've probably done more water/meth testing on my own personal 725rwhp turbo car that I tuned than a lot of others when I was trying to find every ounce of power I could.
And I've probably done more water/meth testing on my own personal 725rwhp turbo car that I tuned than a lot of others when I was trying to find every ounce of power I could.
Nice group! I make 14 second slow pulls until I get three within three hp, then move on to the next cam. We run 40F spread on oil temp, 10F on coolant. My pulls are 3000-7000 or 3500-7500 on hyd cam testing. After all cams in test are run we return to the first cam and make sure it repeats. I wish testing cost were lower as I really like doing it! I have a blown 427ci mule on the pump now for some cam and supercharger testing.
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I agree Kurt, especially about controlled variables. To really validate gains we need to see repeatable before/after results.
As an example, here was a test I did. Still not perfectly controlled but the best I could do on a chassis dyno.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...dyno-test.html
I agree with others that the first cam really doesn't seem off or out of the ordinary to me, especially to say that it would lose 125rwhp over what you have in there currently.
Not trying to bust your ***** or say anything negative about the cam you chose but honestly, dyno pulls chopped off short and trailing off lean aren't providing enough information to validate gains.
JMHO
As an example, here was a test I did. Still not perfectly controlled but the best I could do on a chassis dyno.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...dyno-test.html
I agree with others that the first cam really doesn't seem off or out of the ordinary to me, especially to say that it would lose 125rwhp over what you have in there currently.
Not trying to bust your ***** or say anything negative about the cam you chose but honestly, dyno pulls chopped off short and trailing off lean aren't providing enough information to validate gains.
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The first cam would need to be very wrong to be the cause of a 125rwhp gain/loss and it really wasn't. That combo probably could have made 750rwhp with the stock cam.
From this thread-
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...ed-advice.html
1. Made 750rwhp with 15psi boost and 15psi loss across intercooler-
New update.. Made 900rwhp today with a new cam that Martin Tick spec'd for me. That's 125hp more then the other cam. also now that I have the correct Intercooler installed I'm not having the restriction problem and am seeing 18lbs of boost. (I made 775 with this Intercooler and other cam).
This all is just not adding up to the information presented.
You make 750rwhp 15psi boost and 15psi loss across the intercooler.
You now prove that removing the intercooler gains you 110rwhp but after installing an intercooler with only 2psi drop and running 18psi of boost it only gains 25rwhp (775rwhp)
Then change the cam and pick up 125rwhp?
Not trying to pick on you for any reason other than something about the above information has to be incorrect as it is not making any sense at all.
Last edited by qqwqeqwrqwqtq; Oct 27, 2012 at 10:51 AM.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...s-427-f1x.html <--- That car has a 231/239 118+2 cam in it.
But it sure drives good, idles good and runs good with those massive 305 heads-the head changes everything.
No go back and pulley up that F1X-someobody needs to step up and make some jam!!!!
Sorry I went
Just some CF forum talk.
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Because you're a sales guy, that just started working at tick, you're 24, you read the Internet a lot, and claim to know
More than you do.
If you truly have tuned a 1000+ hp car, you'll know exactly what happens when timing or airfuel does when put on the limit, and you won't make claims like "no amount of timing or air fuel could make that difference".....
You may have good customer service, but you lack real world experience. It's nothing
Personal, it's just business.
More than you do.
If you truly have tuned a 1000+ hp car, you'll know exactly what happens when timing or airfuel does when put on the limit, and you won't make claims like "no amount of timing or air fuel could make that difference".....
You may have good customer service, but you lack real world experience. It's nothing
Personal, it's just business.
Your an idiot dude!
So your saying my tuner was leaving a lot on the table when I was making 775? I bet my tuner had this all planned out in the beginning..(sand bag his tune, wait till he changed something like a cam, the go all out on it.) that would get everyone's attn! Yeah right douche bag!
You say I changed something else to make that kind of power. You say my tuner could have left a lot on the table.. Just sounds like your trying to discredit someone.. WTF would I get out of claiming to make more then I did?
I would Put my tuner up against any other and would say he's one of the best in the Midwest.. I really doubt he would overlook something to leave power on the table.
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That isn't the case at all, it's just that the info and numbers aren't adding up here.
The first cam would need to be very wrong to be the cause of a 125rwhp gain/loss and it really wasn't. That combo probably could have made 750rwhp with the stock cam.
From this thread-
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...ed-advice.html
1. Made 750rwhp with 15psi boost and 15psi loss across intercooler-
2. At a lower boost level gained 110rwhp on the same blower pulley by removing the intercooler entirely-
3. With new intercooler and 18psi boost it made 775rwhp with 2psi loss across intercooler?-
This all is just not adding up to the information presented.
You make 750rwhp 15psi boost and 15psi loss across the intercooler.
You now prove that removing the intercooler gains you 110rwhp but after installing an intercooler with only 2psi drop and running 18psi of boost it only gains 25rwhp (775rwhp)
Then change the cam and pick up 125rwhp?
Not trying to pick on you for any reason other than something about the above information has to be incorrect as it is not making any sense at all.
The first cam would need to be very wrong to be the cause of a 125rwhp gain/loss and it really wasn't. That combo probably could have made 750rwhp with the stock cam.
From this thread-
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...ed-advice.html
1. Made 750rwhp with 15psi boost and 15psi loss across intercooler-
2. At a lower boost level gained 110rwhp on the same blower pulley by removing the intercooler entirely-
3. With new intercooler and 18psi boost it made 775rwhp with 2psi loss across intercooler?-
This all is just not adding up to the information presented.
You make 750rwhp 15psi boost and 15psi loss across the intercooler.
You now prove that removing the intercooler gains you 110rwhp but after installing an intercooler with only 2psi drop and running 18psi of boost it only gains 25rwhp (775rwhp)
Then change the cam and pick up 125rwhp?
Not trying to pick on you for any reason other than something about the above information has to be incorrect as it is not making any sense at all.
And apparently this new IC flows better but also has high iats so to be safe couldn't crank it as high as the previous IC That was was not flowing but seeing almost ambient iats.
you were using the ATI FMIC right?
did you end up going to a cx racing or treadstone?
I am going to measure my FMIC from ATI first thing....and if its not within a good tolerance...ill sell it or spend my time trying to get a new one, or my money back in some small way...that thing is stupidly expensive. youd figure itd flow like mad as huge as it is.
did you end up going to a cx racing or treadstone?
I am going to measure my FMIC from ATI first thing....and if its not within a good tolerance...ill sell it or spend my time trying to get a new one, or my money back in some small way...that thing is stupidly expensive. youd figure itd flow like mad as huge as it is.
When I did the test with no Intercooler the iats were super high so the gain per lbs of boost was minimal..
And apparently this new IC flows better but also has high iats so to be safe couldn't crank it as high as the previous IC That was was not flowing but seeing almost ambient iats.
And apparently this new IC flows better but also has high iats so to be safe couldn't crank it as high as the previous IC That was was not flowing but seeing almost ambient iats.
Just FYI, what you just said defies the ideal gas law of physic. As temperature goes up pressure or volume MUST go up.
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You realize that made zero sense right? You picked up 110rwhp from removing the intercooler regardless of having really high IAT's, then you swap in a proven 2 PSI drop INTERCOOLER, and still see sky high IAT's, but the other super restrictive intercooler was seeing almost ambient IAT's?
Just FYI, what you just said defies the ideal gas law of physic. As temperature goes up pressure or volume MUST go up.
Just FYI, what you just said defies the ideal gas law of physic. As temperature goes up pressure or volume MUST go up.
When I picked up 110hp it was from 550hp so I was making 660 on twelve lbs with no Intercooler and high iats..
That's when I realized the Intercooler was not flowing. I wasn't trying to shoot for power I was looking for a boost restriction! That's why I was talking about only making 15lbs in the intake and 30+lbs preintercooler.. That would be at least a 15psi drop through the IC.
Now that IC that had a restiction had really long veins that was able to cool the air but not flow.. (horizontal flow)
The new IC has many more of those veins but they are a lot shorter so not as much cooling factor. (vertical flow) can flow a lot more cfm.
With all my test ports drilled along the IC tubing I was easily able to check the boost drop of the new Intercooler roughly 2-3 ps loss... Thats good..
With the new IC I was able to make 775hp with a bigger pulley. And was seeing around 18lbs of boost..
Now my boost issue is figured out I can easily swap pulleys to make more power. But before I do that I'm wanting to swap my tranny. That gave Me peace of mind knowing I could make more power to achieve my goals..
Now that's sorted out I responded to Martins comment about the cam being wrong for setup. Which I knew could be possible since it was intended for a big *** turbo. Spoke to him and decided what the hell might as well try a diff cam. Fairly cheap and could be swapped in a evening.
Once again nothing was changed besides cam. (I wanted to see the results from JUST the cam as bad as some people on here are wanting to call BS.)
And you all know the results, there is two dyno sheets to prove it.
True story believe it or not. I have nothing to prove to anyone, I'm just an individual that likes fast cars that's it..
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you were using the ATI FMIC right?
did you end up going to a cx racing or treadstone?
I am going to measure my FMIC from ATI first thing....and if its not within a good tolerance...ill sell it or spend my time trying to get a new one, or my money back in some small way...that thing is stupidly expensive. youd figure itd flow like mad as huge as it is.
did you end up going to a cx racing or treadstone?
I am going to measure my FMIC from ATI first thing....and if its not within a good tolerance...ill sell it or spend my time trying to get a new one, or my money back in some small way...that thing is stupidly expensive. youd figure itd flow like mad as huge as it is.
Louis your a F***ing retarted.. I'm glad you came in here making your self look like a retarted.. Martin is a big help.. He helped me with my setup and will answer the call when needed.. So get that no tech support bulkshit out of here,, I just see a hater cuz a YOUNG KID is taking your work and your jealous.. Good job Martin il be talking to you soon.
Louis your a F***ing retarted.. I'm glad you came in here making your self look like a idiot.. Martin is a big help.. He helped me with my setup and will answer the call when needed.. So get that no tech support bulkshit out of here,, I just see a hater cuz a YOUNG KID is taking your work and your jealous.. Good job Martin il be talking to you soon.[/QUOTE]
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OK,
im not defending anyone, but MARTIN or the OWNER, can you please explain the dip at high rpm's on the first pull with the old cam?
have you EVER in your life seen a graph that looks like that that didnt have something seriously messed up about the setup? Did it ever come to your mind that you might have fixed something UNDELIBERATELY while you swapped in the new cam?
can anyone of you answer my question because you are comparing a PROPER dyno pull to a totally messed up pull which is the REASON for the discrepancy.
im not defending anyone, but MARTIN or the OWNER, can you please explain the dip at high rpm's on the first pull with the old cam?
have you EVER in your life seen a graph that looks like that that didnt have something seriously messed up about the setup? Did it ever come to your mind that you might have fixed something UNDELIBERATELY while you swapped in the new cam?
can anyone of you answer my question because you are comparing a PROPER dyno pull to a totally messed up pull which is the REASON for the discrepancy.
OK,
im not defending anyone, but MARTIN or the OWNER, can you please explain the dip at high rpm's on the first pull with the old cam?
have you EVER in your life seen a graph that looks like that that didnt have something seriously messed up about the setup? Did it ever come to your mind that you might have fixed something UNDELIBERATELY while you swapped in the new cam?
can anyone of you answer my question because you are comparing a PROPER dyno pull to a totally messed up pull which is the REASON for the discrepancy.
im not defending anyone, but MARTIN or the OWNER, can you please explain the dip at high rpm's on the first pull with the old cam?
have you EVER in your life seen a graph that looks like that that didnt have something seriously messed up about the setup? Did it ever come to your mind that you might have fixed something UNDELIBERATELY while you swapped in the new cam?
can anyone of you answer my question because you are comparing a PROPER dyno pull to a totally messed up pull which is the REASON for the discrepancy.
