AES 410 whos running this motor
11-03-2012, 12:07 PM
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AES 410 whos running this motor Anyone running the AES 410 if so what size turbo or blower are you running and what kinda power are you making??
11-04-2012, 12:16 AM
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I'm not using an AES 410ci....but the reason I bought the AES 390ci was because of the shorter 3.825" stroke it uses. AES told me that the 408's had minor oil burning issues because they use a longer stroke. So the 410ci should also have the oil burning issues.
The 390's...haven't had any reports of any oil burning, and there's a bunch of those AES 390's out there making BIG boosted power.
And for a boost set-up....the extra 20 cubes in the 410ci are 100% meaningless......
Just an FYI......
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The 390's...haven't had any reports of any oil burning, and there's a bunch of those AES 390's out there making BIG boosted power.
And for a boost set-up....the extra 20 cubes in the 410ci are 100% meaningless......
Just an FYI......
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11-04-2012, 04:15 AM
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I'm not using an AES 410ci....but the reason I bought the AES 390ci was because of the shorter 3.825" stroke it uses. AES told me that the 408's had minor oil burning issues because they use a longer stroke. So the 410ci should also have the oil burning issues.
The 390's...haven't had any reports of any oil burning, and there's a bunch of those AES 390's out there making BIG boosted power.
And for a boost set-up....the extra 20 cubes in the 410ci are 100% meaningless......
Just an FYI......
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The 390's...haven't had any reports of any oil burning, and there's a bunch of those AES 390's out there making BIG boosted power.
And for a boost set-up....the extra 20 cubes in the 410ci are 100% meaningless......
Just an FYI......
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The 410 and 390 both use the same 3.825 crank dimension but the 410 does it with a 4.125 bore rather than a 4.030 bore.
With that size of bore, you open up TONS of head options and the extra cubes from bore size matters a bunch due to head options.
Good luck.
11-04-2012, 09:54 AM
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i went 390. figured the more cylinder wall thickness and journal thickness the better. boost is the replacement for displacement so...I am feeling 18-20 lbs should get it done either way.
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11-04-2012, 01:14 PM
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You might want to recheck the stats on the 410 they offer.
The 410 and 390 both use the same 3.825 crank dimension but the 410 does it with a 4.125 bore rather than a 4.030 bore.
With that size of bore, you open up TONS of head options and the extra cubes from bore size matters a bunch due to head options.
Good luck.
The 410 and 390 both use the same 3.825 crank dimension but the 410 does it with a 4.125 bore rather than a 4.030 bore.
With that size of bore, you open up TONS of head options and the extra cubes from bore size matters a bunch due to head options.
Good luck.
I sure wouldn't go that big of a bore for boost....not much cylinder wall/gasket especially for boost.
390ci with the 4.030 bore is the choice....for boost.
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11-05-2012, 09:55 AM
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I have the 410" and I am just finishing up the swap to turbo from the procharger. Mine has way more of the options than most all of the lower end is rem polished and micro blued callies magnum crank and billet rods. Should have base numbers in the next month looking to run X275 and bolt on the 101mm and run some local outlaw stuff. Build quality and customer service from AES was outstanding.
11-05-2012, 11:59 AM
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11-05-2012, 12:39 PM
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4.030 is what you normally punch an iron 6.0 out to. LSX and other aftermarket blocks you can go larger on.
6.0 aluminum ls2 is a 4.005 bore. Thats what makes my AES 385
I have heard of people boring an iron block to 4.060 but the walls get very thin at that point. Not good for boost
6.0 aluminum ls2 is a 4.005 bore. Thats what makes my AES 385
I have heard of people boring an iron block to 4.060 but the walls get very thin at that point. Not good for boost
11-05-2012, 07:32 PM
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yeah. i mean the reliability vs power gains from the extra 20 cubes didnt add up for me. otherwise hell why not..when your putting enough boost in it it wont really matter as much.
plus I have a fairly large set of heads on my 390 @ 237cc. It was big enough to justify them vs the 225 or 227's.
with the 390, if you scar it or something, you can just machine it up to a 398 or a 402 404 408 .....but starting at 410 just crushes that chance or freshening up later on years from now unless you decide to go NA
my $0.02
plus I have a fairly large set of heads on my 390 @ 237cc. It was big enough to justify them vs the 225 or 227's.
with the 390, if you scar it or something, you can just machine it up to a 398 or a 402 404 408 .....but starting at 410 just crushes that chance or freshening up later on years from now unless you decide to go NA
my $0.02
11-06-2012, 10:11 AM
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To get the 4.13 bore size isn't possible in a Iron Block from what I can see case in point.
The LQ4/9 start at 4.002 and are thin at 4.060 so it doesn't look like an LQ4/9 block could reach 4.13.
An LS7 could however(this is an aluminum block).
The LQ4/9 start at 4.002 and are thin at 4.060 so it doesn't look like an LQ4/9 block could reach 4.13.
An LS7 could however(this is an aluminum block).
11-06-2012, 10:28 AM
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yeah. i mean the reliability vs power gains from the extra 20 cubes didnt add up for me. otherwise hell why not..when your putting enough boost in it it wont really matter as much.
plus I have a fairly large set of heads on my 390 @ 237cc. It was big enough to justify them vs the 225 or 227's.
with the 390, if you scar it or something, you can just machine it up to a 398 or a 402 404 408 .....but starting at 410 just crushes that chance or freshening up later on years from now unless you decide to go NA
my $0.02
plus I have a fairly large set of heads on my 390 @ 237cc. It was big enough to justify them vs the 225 or 227's.
with the 390, if you scar it or something, you can just machine it up to a 398 or a 402 404 408 .....but starting at 410 just crushes that chance or freshening up later on years from now unless you decide to go NA
my $0.02
If your using the 3.825 crank that they supply you can really only go just alittle larger on the bore before you start to get thin on cylinder wall thickness. A 390 package with a 4.030 bore and 3.825 crank will not make a 398-402-404-408 safely.
11-06-2012, 07:31 PM
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There is just as more room in a aftermarket block to be honed at 4.125 as there is with a stock iron block at 4.030.
If your using the 3.825 crank that they supply you can really only go just alittle larger on the bore before you start to get thin on cylinder wall thickness. A 390 package with a 4.030 bore and 3.825 crank will not make a 398-402-404-408 safely.
If your using the 3.825 crank that they supply you can really only go just alittle larger on the bore before you start to get thin on cylinder wall thickness. A 390 package with a 4.030 bore and 3.825 crank will not make a 398-402-404-408 safely.
11-06-2012, 10:18 PM
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Those displacements you listed are normally made up with 4'' cranks and not 3.825.
When using a 6.0l iron block most would want to stay between 4'' and 4.040 for a boosted engine.
...................Bore 4.0 4.005 4.010 4.020 4.030 4.040
Stroke
.......................3.825 384 385 386 388 390 392
.......................4 402 403 404 406 408 410
Make sense that way?
When using a 6.0l iron block most would want to stay between 4'' and 4.040 for a boosted engine.
...................Bore 4.0 4.005 4.010 4.020 4.030 4.040
Stroke
.......................3.825 384 385 386 388 390 392
.......................4 402 403 404 406 408 410
Make sense that way?
11-07-2012, 07:46 AM
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Those displacements you listed are normally made up with 4'' cranks and not 3.825.
When using a 6.0l iron block most would want to stay between 4'' and 4.040 for a boosted engine.
...................Bore 4.0 4.005 4.010 4.020 4.030 4.040
Stroke
.......................3.825 384 385 386 388 390 392
.......................4 402 403 404 406 408 410
Make sense that way?
When using a 6.0l iron block most would want to stay between 4'' and 4.040 for a boosted engine.
...................Bore 4.0 4.005 4.010 4.020 4.030 4.040
Stroke
.......................3.825 384 385 386 388 390 392
.......................4 402 403 404 406 408 410
Make sense that way?
