Holley Dominator EFI, OR, PRO EFI
hell.. he's quoting me in his signature....
"I spend most of my money on cars and fuel, the rest I waste"
I said that on here about 9-10 years ago
and I know Kurt knows his stuff too.....I know he's been around a while
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From: Aus
What about Haltech? Seems to do everything except self learn.
http://www.haltech.com/product/plati...um-sport-2000/
http://www.haltech.com/product/plati...um-sport-2000/
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I went with the Haltech on the TTiX C5 Z06
haven't gotten it installed yet. looks to be a very capable system. My only frustration is that it doesn't have the tranny controller in it yet like the holley (I conveted over to a RPM Stg 5 auto)
one thing I can say for sure is the sales and tech support at Haltech is excellent
I'll be getting it installed and tuned for flexfuel and boost by speed.
also going to try and control the alchy injection with it.
haven't gotten it installed yet. looks to be a very capable system. My only frustration is that it doesn't have the tranny controller in it yet like the holley (I conveted over to a RPM Stg 5 auto)
one thing I can say for sure is the sales and tech support at Haltech is excellent
I'll be getting it installed and tuned for flexfuel and boost by speed.
also going to try and control the alchy injection with it.
It is much better than HP tuners, but I think it still needs work. I can live with how slow it is, that is just aggravating because it slows down my testing. The Holley guy was only here one day setting it up and explaining how the system differs from others, and I have only ran 6 engines with it so far (5 NA and 1 boosted) so I am still making my list of what I would like better. I have only used this one system from them and have not run the drive by wire yet, trying that next.
Kurt
Kurt
Nope.. I do not work for Holley.......
I'm just a well versed tuner who helped design the layout of the scanner for HP tuners....
I know my way around a scanner..LOL
I can usually show somebody how to get the most out of their data logger better than the manufacturer can..LOL
though... at this point... I'm starting to think that Holley should Hire me....I'd do that for a paycheck..LOL
and it sounds like you should invest in a laptop or two ($300-$400 each) that you can use while on the dyno...it would make all your tuning a lot easier....
I mean... how do you get tunes into the vehicle while its on the dyno if the computer is not near by?
I'm just a well versed tuner who helped design the layout of the scanner for HP tuners....
I know my way around a scanner..LOL
I can usually show somebody how to get the most out of their data logger better than the manufacturer can..LOL
though... at this point... I'm starting to think that Holley should Hire me....I'd do that for a paycheck..LOL
and it sounds like you should invest in a laptop or two ($300-$400 each) that you can use while on the dyno...it would make all your tuning a lot easier....
I mean... how do you get tunes into the vehicle while its on the dyno if the computer is not near by?
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From: Ft. Wayne
I've had V1 and V2 and mine would always display the picked values on the left (all values) and would just display the clicked on value on top. Kinda weird why his doesn't show anything on the left.
Yes it does take what seems like forever to download an internal log (depending on fps and time length) you have the option to save in onto a laptop if you have a usb long enough to go from your dyno cell to your control room. This won't give you any differnt type of log but wuld cut down on wasted time waiting on downloads. Its not as convenient though because you would need to physically click the dl icon instead of it logging automatically via throttle/rpm activation
Yes it does take what seems like forever to download an internal log (depending on fps and time length) you have the option to save in onto a laptop if you have a usb long enough to go from your dyno cell to your control room. This won't give you any differnt type of log but wuld cut down on wasted time waiting on downloads. Its not as convenient though because you would need to physically click the dl icon instead of it logging automatically via throttle/rpm activation
I need to figure out how those change on the left of the screen.
The computer logging could be done, I do have the laptop next to me at the console with a long cord. The drawback if it's like other systems is the data cord has a limit on what it can carry per second, so your data is not as good per second. The other thing is the dyno takes both hands at the beginning of the run, so I would need to trigger during the pull.
I like many things about this system, but as with others it could be better.
I am running 40 seconds record time so the download is time consuming. I normally need to warm the engine back up after looking at the data and making minor changes, that is what I wish was faster.
Kurt
The computer logging could be done, I do have the laptop next to me at the console with a long cord. The drawback if it's like other systems is the data cord has a limit on what it can carry per second, so your data is not as good per second. The other thing is the dyno takes both hands at the beginning of the run, so I would need to trigger during the pull.
I like many things about this system, but as with others it could be better.
I am running 40 seconds record time so the download is time consuming. I normally need to warm the engine back up after looking at the data and making minor changes, that is what I wish was faster.
Kurt
I've had V1 and V2 and mine would always display the picked values on the left (all values) and would just display the clicked on value on top. Kinda weird why his doesn't show anything on the left.
Yes it does take what seems like forever to download an internal log (depending on fps and time length) you have the option to save in onto a laptop if you have a usb long enough to go from your dyno cell to your control room. This won't give you any differnt type of log but wuld cut down on wasted time waiting on downloads. Its not as convenient though because you would need to physically click the dl icon instead of it logging automatically via throttle/rpm activation
Yes it does take what seems like forever to download an internal log (depending on fps and time length) you have the option to save in onto a laptop if you have a usb long enough to go from your dyno cell to your control room. This won't give you any differnt type of log but wuld cut down on wasted time waiting on downloads. Its not as convenient though because you would need to physically click the dl icon instead of it logging automatically via throttle/rpm activation
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Verdad Gallardo I need to figure out how those change on the left of the screen.
The computer logging could be done, I do have the laptop next to me at the console with a long cord. The drawback if it's like other systems is the data cord has a limit on what it can carry per second, so your data is not as good per second. The other thing is the dyno takes both hands at the beginning of the run, so I would need to trigger during the pull.
I like many things about this system, but as with others it could be better.
I am running 40 seconds record time so the download is time consuming. I normally need to warm the engine back up after looking at the data and making minor changes, that is what I wish was faster.
Kurt
The computer logging could be done, I do have the laptop next to me at the console with a long cord. The drawback if it's like other systems is the data cord has a limit on what it can carry per second, so your data is not as good per second. The other thing is the dyno takes both hands at the beginning of the run, so I would need to trigger during the pull.
I like many things about this system, but as with others it could be better.
I am running 40 seconds record time so the download is time consuming. I normally need to warm the engine back up after looking at the data and making minor changes, that is what I wish was faster.
Kurt
when you click on that you get a window that shows you all the various layout and items you can choose from.
graphing the data from the left is just clicking on the check boxes on the left, and then of you want to see a reference line on the left you click the small boxes to the right of the item you are plotting...
you can also right click to be able to change the plot minimums and maximums or to select a smoothing value
you can see all of that in my pictures in a previous post in this thread.
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From: Norn Iron
What does the Holley use for comms ? USB or Ethernet ?
Must admit, slow datalog downloads drive me insane. The ecu I use on my own car takes minutes for even a small download via serial.
And to make it worse, the engine must be shutdown to do the download.
It's one reason I'll be switching to Syvecs next year. It's downloads take a few seconds, and can all be done with the engine running. So tuning/logging is a very fast and painfree process.
One thing I did notice on the Holley...can you select logging rate for each item, or are you stuck with the same logging rate for everything ? Obviously being able to tailor frequency for each item would save lots of data/memory, and make for faster downloads.
Must admit, slow datalog downloads drive me insane. The ecu I use on my own car takes minutes for even a small download via serial.
And to make it worse, the engine must be shutdown to do the download.
It's one reason I'll be switching to Syvecs next year. It's downloads take a few seconds, and can all be done with the engine running. So tuning/logging is a very fast and painfree process.
One thing I did notice on the Holley...can you select logging rate for each item, or are you stuck with the same logging rate for everything ? Obviously being able to tailor frequency for each item would save lots of data/memory, and make for faster downloads.
What does the Holley use for comms ? USB or Ethernet ?
Must admit, slow datalog downloads drive me insane. The ecu I use on my own car takes minutes for even a small download via serial.
And to make it worse, the engine must be shutdown to do the download.
It's one reason I'll be switching to Syvecs next year. It's downloads take a few seconds, and can all be done with the engine running. So tuning/logging is a very fast and painfree process.
One thing I did notice on the Holley...can you select logging rate for each item, or are you stuck with the same logging rate for everything ? Obviously being able to tailor frequency for each item would save lots of data/memory, and make for faster downloads.
Must admit, slow datalog downloads drive me insane. The ecu I use on my own car takes minutes for even a small download via serial.
And to make it worse, the engine must be shutdown to do the download.
It's one reason I'll be switching to Syvecs next year. It's downloads take a few seconds, and can all be done with the engine running. So tuning/logging is a very fast and painfree process.
One thing I did notice on the Holley...can you select logging rate for each item, or are you stuck with the same logging rate for everything ? Obviously being able to tailor frequency for each item would save lots of data/memory, and make for faster downloads.
universal logging rate for all items...
the key is to select a Rate that makes sense....
most things do not need a 100 FPS rate.... often 20 FPS or 25 FPS is more than fast enough... which helps cut down on log size dramatically
It is USB, the downloads seem like they take forever. I make all my data runs with the oil temp between 200-210F, once I get that right I need to keep going as it cools quickly if I idle or shut down.
This is not great, but maybe it will get better on future upgrades. The Holley guys seem like they are trying to upgrade and make things better that are within control. I really want the drive by wire throttle with twin blades, so I am trying to get this thing to work for me.
Kurt
This is not great, but maybe it will get better on future upgrades. The Holley guys seem like they are trying to upgrade and make things better that are within control. I really want the drive by wire throttle with twin blades, so I am trying to get this thing to work for me.
Kurt
What does the Holley use for comms ? USB or Ethernet ?
Must admit, slow datalog downloads drive me insane. The ecu I use on my own car takes minutes for even a small download via serial.
And to make it worse, the engine must be shutdown to do the download.
It's one reason I'll be switching to Syvecs next year. It's downloads take a few seconds, and can all be done with the engine running. So tuning/logging is a very fast and painfree process.
One thing I did notice on the Holley...can you select logging rate for each item, or are you stuck with the same logging rate for everything ? Obviously being able to tailor frequency for each item would save lots of data/memory, and make for faster downloads.
Must admit, slow datalog downloads drive me insane. The ecu I use on my own car takes minutes for even a small download via serial.
And to make it worse, the engine must be shutdown to do the download.
It's one reason I'll be switching to Syvecs next year. It's downloads take a few seconds, and can all be done with the engine running. So tuning/logging is a very fast and painfree process.
One thing I did notice on the Holley...can you select logging rate for each item, or are you stuck with the same logging rate for everything ? Obviously being able to tailor frequency for each item would save lots of data/memory, and make for faster downloads.
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From: Norn Iron
RPM say 25hz, AFR's 25hz, coolant temp 2hz, Knock 50-100hz etc etc
There are just some items that you'd want logged at a very high rate, some moderately fast and others that really dont need fast at all.
Not sure what way the system log is, obviously it is very fast, or it was on the guy's posts on YB. But of logging crank/cam signals, clearly these need to be very fast, so 1000hz wouldnt be over the top
The ability to select for each item, would be far more efficient, and useful.
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Good info here guys, I'm looking at selling my m800 motec to move to a holley, as I am maxed out on inputs on the m800, need to activate duel wideband (been using a 3rd part wideband) and 1mb of logging is not cutting it. I loose a system that is pretty much infinitely configurable, but gain a much easier to use system.
Closed loop fuelling on the motec is nearly impossible to setup and get working. It appears on a holley efi system it is very easy?
Closed loop fuelling on the motec is nearly impossible to setup and get working. It appears on a holley efi system it is very easy?
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From: Norn Iron
Good info here guys, I'm looking at selling my m800 motec to move to a holley, as I am maxed out on inputs on the m800, need to activate duel wideband (been using a 3rd part wideband) and 1mb of logging is not cutting it. I loose a system that is pretty much infinitely configurable, but gain a much easier to use system.
Closed loop fuelling on the motec is nearly impossible to setup and get working. It appears on a holley efi system it is very easy?
Closed loop fuelling on the motec is nearly impossible to setup and get working. It appears on a holley efi system it is very easy?
Seems like most info in here is geared towards making this work on lsx swaps or race setups. What about someone who wants to ditch the hp tuners/efi live setup for Holley to get all of the fail safes and boost control? Most people want to keep all of their gauges. What's involved and a round number on price?
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From: Aus
For the fail safes there's always the AEM wideband.
http://www.aemelectronics.com/wideba...safe-gauge-84/
http://www.aemelectronics.com/wideba...safe-gauge-84/
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From: Norn Iron
Seems like most info in here is geared towards making this work on lsx swaps or race setups. What about someone who wants to ditch the hp tuners/efi live setup for Holley to get all of the fail safes and boost control? Most people want to keep all of their gauges. What's involved and a round number on price?
Use the Holley to control anything you want it to control, but leave the OEM ecu to take care of chassis functions. Whether they be instruments, transmission, whatever.
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From: Norn Iron
For the fail safes there's always the AEM wideband.
http://www.aemelectronics.com/wideba...safe-gauge-84/
http://www.aemelectronics.com/wideba...safe-gauge-84/