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Old 12-16-2015, 10:48 PM
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this turbo is making the same power the 88.83 did on my other car so far lol
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78/75 for the win! I'm convinced.
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Pre-turbo water/meth injection to make more power Matt!! Lol
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Wow those are some amazing numbers!
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Originally Posted by denmah
this turbo is making the same power the 88.83 did on my other car so far lol
At the same boost/timing on the same size engine with the same cam? Just curious if its a apples to apples comparison.

The 88/83 doesn't seem to have a problem making 800+ in other cars and the 78/75 appears to be falling off at 700. I guess if 700 is the end goal then the 78/75 fits the bill for sure!

Another question... if the 78/75 is making 11-13hp/lb and takes 20lbs to get to 700, but the 88/83 makes double the hp/lb and can do 700 at lower boost which would you rather have?
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Keep in mind pump gas, no meth, no E. Did the 800+ cars with the bigger turbo do that on pump gas?
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Iirc the 88 made 740 at 23-24 lbs with meth and he just made 700 at 20lbs with the 78 no meth
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Originally Posted by Photochop
Keep in mind pump gas, no meth, no E. Did the 800+ cars with the bigger turbo do that on pump gas?
At the same timing and boost a car will make more HP on pump gas. E just gives you the wider tuning window to turn it up.

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Iirc the 88 made 740 at 23-24 lbs with meth and he just made 700 at 20lbs with the 78 no meth
Still a different car/cam/set up. Almost impossible to compare.

Maybe VS will send him one to do a true back to back
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Originally Posted by ls3fox
Iirc the 88 made 740 at 23-24 lbs with meth and he just made 700 at 20lbs with the 78 no meth
The 88 was on a 5.3L, the 78 is on a 6.0L.


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Maybe VS will send him one to do a true back to back
That would be cool!
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Originally Posted by coltboostin
At the same timing and boost a car will make more HP on pump gas. E just gives you the wider tuning window to turn it up.



Still a different car/cam/set up. Almost impossible to compare.

Maybe VS will send him one to do a true back to back
Complete opposite from what I have found..... I've seen a solid 3~4 tenths and same mph at the track from pump gas switching to E85 even with same amount of boost, and timing. Only time I could see this even being close is on a lower boost setup with really cool ambient air, or a really efficient ice water chiller.
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Originally Posted by SLOW SEDAN
At the same boost/timing on the same size engine with the same cam? Just curious if its a apples to apples comparison.

The 88/83 doesn't seem to have a problem making 800+ in other cars and the 78/75 appears to be falling off at 700. I guess if 700 is the end goal then the 78/75 fits the bill for sure!

Another question... if the 78/75 is making 11-13hp/lb and takes 20lbs to get to 700, but the 88/83 makes double the hp/lb and can do 700 at lower boost which would you rather have?
Which one is going to run faster at the track in his 3700 lb truck off the foot brake??
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Originally Posted by stock48
Complete opposite from what I have found..... I've seen a solid 3~4 tenths and same mph at the track from pump gas switching to E85 even with same amount of boost, and timing. Only time I could see this even being close is on a lower boost setup with really cool ambient air, or a really efficient ice water chiller.
Yea lots of tests done… NA cars with zero tune changes pick up roughly 3% power on e85. Adjusting timing at that point usually nets more… According to GM and a million other articles I’ve read anyway. All that just compounds with boost.
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Originally Posted by stock48
Which one is going to run faster at the track in his 3700 lb truck off the foot brake??
Good question!

I'm not sure about a 3,700lb truck or the 78/75... but if the 78/75 flows anything like the PT7675CEA on my 4000+lb car then I would guess the 88/83 would be faster down the track off the foot brake.

I recently went through a swap from a 76/75 to an 88/83. The 88 showed no loss on the low end since they 60' the same, was quicker/faster to the 1/8th and the 1/4, ET dropped and trap speed picked up 5MPH.
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Originally Posted by stock48
Which one is going to run faster at the track in his 3700 lb truck off the foot brake??
I'd like to see the two graphs side by side, if they exist. I'll take more midrange/usable power. You can have the peak horsepower number. My guess is the 78/75 for the heavier truck. JMO.
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Originally Posted by SLOW SEDAN
Good question!

I'm not sure about a 3,700lb truck or the 78/75... but if the 78/75 flows anything like the PT7675CEA on my 4000+lb car then I would guess the 88/83 would be faster down the track off the foot brake.

I recently went through a swap from a 76/75 to an 88/83. The 88 showed no loss on the low end since they 60' the same, was quicker/faster to the 1/8th and the 1/4, ET dropped and trap speed picked up 5MPH.
Wow dude... you are EVERYWHERE. LOL! This is James with the Silver G8... LOL
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Denmah & Stock48:

I see you use the Deka 80lbers a lot. Have you done any comparisons between those & the Racetronix 850's? For $500 difference I would expect some performance to be had or is that not your findings?
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Originally Posted by SLOW SEDAN
I recently went through a swap from a 76/75 to an 88/83. The 88 showed no loss on the low end since they 60' the same, was quicker/faster to the 1/8th and the 1/4, ET dropped and trap speed picked up 5MPH.
What size engine? Also, were these Precision turbos you're talking about, or chinese variants? (Or a Precision swapped out for a chinese?) Interesting!
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Originally Posted by jaydubb
Wow dude... you are EVERYWHERE. LOL! This is James with the Silver G8... LOL
Howdy!

Originally Posted by Tjabo
What size engine? Also, were these Precision turbos you're talking about, or chinese variants? (Or a Precision swapped out for a chinese?) Interesting!
5.3L, the 76/75 was a Precision and the 88/83 is an On3.
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Originally Posted by SLOW SEDAN
5.3L, the 76/75 was a Precision and the 88/83 is an On3.
WHOA!! Lol
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Originally Posted by gtfoxy
Denmah & Stock48:

I see you use the Deka 80lbers a lot. Have you done any comparisons between those & the Racetronix 850's? For $500 difference I would expect some performance to be had or is that not your findings?
never used the race tronics, sorry


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