Supercharger vs Turbo.... OFFICIAL ARGUMENT THREAD.
04-12-2016, 08:59 PM
#41
Originally Posted by TXsilverado
exactly. learn to utilize
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04-12-2016, 10:20 PM
#42
Nice thing about a turbo is when u break a ring land/piston with a turbo it makes it out the exhaust, takes out the turbo and most likely throws more **** into the motor when the compressor wheel explodes lol.
Superchargers... doesn't recirculate it's guts if something breaks and shoots into the exhaust.
Superchargers... doesn't recirculate it's guts if something breaks and shoots into the exhaust.
04-12-2016, 10:57 PM
#43
Nice thing about a turbo is when u break a ring land/piston with a turbo it makes it out the exhaust, takes out the turbo and most likely throws more **** into the motor when the compressor wheel explodes lol.
Superchargers... doesn't recirculate it's guts if something breaks and shoots into the exhaust.
Superchargers... doesn't recirculate it's guts if something breaks and shoots into the exhaust.
04-13-2016, 02:36 AM
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04-13-2016, 04:00 AM
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Procharger promod maxes dyno at 4,400
Procharger maxes dyno at 4,400rwhp/
Jk procharger a can't make that much.
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/...in-turbo-hemi/
Procharger maxes dyno at 4,400rwhp/
Jk procharger a can't make that much.
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/...in-turbo-hemi/
04-13-2016, 05:55 AM
#52
For me, I'm a street car, enjoy a/c, power steering, sway bars, but also like power.
So I was able to install a blower, retain everything just like factory, and make nearly 900 at the wheel, oh and have a civilized exhaust setup that still comes out the back of the car.
That was a tall task for a turbo. Trust me, I talked to a lot of people about it. I was told I'd have to move the radiator, or lose the a/c, or lose the sway bar, forget about having the exhaust exit out the rear, I'd need to have at least a cutout.
Also, lets not forget how critical all the pieces of a turbo puzzle need to be to play nicely together. A/r, cam specs, exhaust diameter and routing all play a role in having a setup work properly.
Just like it was said above, turbo setups require a lot of planning, fabrication, and even trial and error. So I'm not a fabricator, I can live with that. Maybe some day later in life I'll buy a welder, and spend some time learning to weld and I can fab my own setup.
Till then, I'll enjoy my no compromise 900rwhp setup street car.
So I was able to install a blower, retain everything just like factory, and make nearly 900 at the wheel, oh and have a civilized exhaust setup that still comes out the back of the car.
That was a tall task for a turbo. Trust me, I talked to a lot of people about it. I was told I'd have to move the radiator, or lose the a/c, or lose the sway bar, forget about having the exhaust exit out the rear, I'd need to have at least a cutout.
Also, lets not forget how critical all the pieces of a turbo puzzle need to be to play nicely together. A/r, cam specs, exhaust diameter and routing all play a role in having a setup work properly.
Just like it was said above, turbo setups require a lot of planning, fabrication, and even trial and error. So I'm not a fabricator, I can live with that. Maybe some day later in life I'll buy a welder, and spend some time learning to weld and I can fab my own setup.
Till then, I'll enjoy my no compromise 900rwhp setup street car.
04-13-2016, 06:56 AM
#53
For me, I'm a street car, enjoy a/c, power steering, sway bars, but also like power.
So I was able to install a blower, retain everything just like factory, and make nearly 900 at the wheel, oh and have a civilized exhaust setup that still comes out the back of the car.
That was a tall task for a turbo. Trust me, I talked to a lot of people about it. I was told I'd have to move the radiator, or lose the a/c, or lose the sway bar, forget about having the exhaust exit out the rear, I'd need to have at least a cutout.
Also, lets not forget how critical all the pieces of a turbo puzzle need to be to play nicely together. A/r, cam specs, exhaust diameter and routing all play a role in having a setup work properly.
Just like it was said above, turbo setups require a lot of planning, fabrication, and even trial and error. So I'm not a fabricator, I can live with that. Maybe some day later in life I'll buy a welder, and spend some time learning to weld and I can fab my own setup.
Till then, I'll enjoy my no compromise 900rwhp setup street car.
So I was able to install a blower, retain everything just like factory, and make nearly 900 at the wheel, oh and have a civilized exhaust setup that still comes out the back of the car.
That was a tall task for a turbo. Trust me, I talked to a lot of people about it. I was told I'd have to move the radiator, or lose the a/c, or lose the sway bar, forget about having the exhaust exit out the rear, I'd need to have at least a cutout.
Also, lets not forget how critical all the pieces of a turbo puzzle need to be to play nicely together. A/r, cam specs, exhaust diameter and routing all play a role in having a setup work properly.
Just like it was said above, turbo setups require a lot of planning, fabrication, and even trial and error. So I'm not a fabricator, I can live with that. Maybe some day later in life I'll buy a welder, and spend some time learning to weld and I can fab my own setup.
Till then, I'll enjoy my no compromise 900rwhp setup street car.
04-13-2016, 07:26 AM
#54
It's not a right or wrong situation... each option represents different strengths and weaknesses.
One thing that makes me laugh, is the whole 'instant boost' argument for a turbo over a centri-blower...but once turbo guys start getting towards 4 digit power, they use boost controllers to control the ramp of boost, similar to a centri blower. Fact is, once a blower car is out of first gear, the difference in boost psi from 4000-redline isn't that dramatic.
Again, it's all about what you want. If you want more of a 'project' build, then a turbo is much more of a project due to the complexity of it.
One thing that makes me laugh, is the whole 'instant boost' argument for a turbo over a centri-blower...but once turbo guys start getting towards 4 digit power, they use boost controllers to control the ramp of boost, similar to a centri blower. Fact is, once a blower car is out of first gear, the difference in boost psi from 4000-redline isn't that dramatic.
Again, it's all about what you want. If you want more of a 'project' build, then a turbo is much more of a project due to the complexity of it.
04-13-2016, 08:09 AM
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As a kid I loved the sound of a procharger but now I find it annoying. Even my 6 year old gets it. "Dad, I don't want them to know we can beat them, we should surprise them". Yes I know...great parenting.
04-13-2016, 08:17 AM
#56
Originally Posted by The Alchemist
It's not a right or wrong situation... each option represents different strengths and weaknesses.
One thing that makes me laugh, is the whole 'instant boost' argument for a turbo over a centri-blower...but once turbo guys start getting towards 4 digit power, they use boost controllers to control the ramp of boost, similar to a centri blower. Fact is, once a blower car is out of first gear, the difference in boost psi from 4000-redline isn't that dramatic.
Again, it's all about what you want. If you want more of a 'project' build, then a turbo is much more of a project due to the complexity of it.
One thing that makes me laugh, is the whole 'instant boost' argument for a turbo over a centri-blower...but once turbo guys start getting towards 4 digit power, they use boost controllers to control the ramp of boost, similar to a centri blower. Fact is, once a blower car is out of first gear, the difference in boost psi from 4000-redline isn't that dramatic.
Again, it's all about what you want. If you want more of a 'project' build, then a turbo is much more of a project due to the complexity of it.
04-13-2016, 08:31 AM
#57
I have never owned a blown car but I have ridden in one and I own a turbo one now, makes 900 at the wheels. I can tell you the kick in the *** from a turbo when hitting full boost is something I have never experienced before and still have a hard time getting used to, it literally feels like you get rear ended by a train going 80 mph.
04-13-2016, 08:55 AM
#58
I disagree on the "project" aspect. I think people turn turbo cars into projects because Most can afford a $1,000 turbo and think all the other **** that goes with it is "cheap" and end up buying cheap crap that doesn't work and then filling up this section with stupid questions wondering why nothing works properly. Where as the initial cost of a SC is high but is generally complete from the start. That 3-4K minimum buy in scares stupid "China buyers" off. The guys that buy the right Turbo components and don't mess around with stupid **** usually get it right without a bunch of headache.
04-13-2016, 09:35 AM
#60
EXACTLY... I built mine right the first time, still retain a/c, and make 900whp.. its not a project, i enjoy the car and have minor issues sometimes but its only power/boost related, not because its turbocharged. Look at huron speed turbo kits, theyre full kits people can bolt on in a weekend lol.. so idk why alchemist and others are saying turbo cars are difficult.. they are more difficult than bolting up a blower, but the procharger kits on fbodys suck! the plumbing is horrible... i think huron speed offers a way better setup for adding power to an annoying f body engine bay.
I'm not sure what plumbing you're talking about, it's actually pretty efficient.
Like I said, show me a fbody with a turbo, stock a/c, power steering, sway bar, even stock kmember with a catback making 900rwhp. I'm sure it can be done, but I didn't get a lot of hope from the people I talked to.