Supercharger vs Turbo.... OFFICIAL ARGUMENT THREAD.
04-18-2016, 11:15 PM
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04-19-2016, 06:10 AM
#123
As for the whole crank pressure issue. I think the earlier f-body days gave a bad reputation for the blowers because they had static tensioners, and guys were cranking down on them to get rid of belt slip. The problem is as the rpms rise, the belt stretches, and you get slip. So they would crank down on them and put way too much pressure on them, at the end of the crank (more leverage), and cruising around at low rpms, it would be detrimental to the cranks and main bearings.
Move forward to today with setups that use spring loaded tensioners, which with the Aster bracket, is the same tensioner used on the 6-rib main accessory belt, and the pressure on the crank is far less, and belt slip is a thing of the past.
I'm not saying there isn't any additional force, there is, but with a forged crank, I don't see it being a concern for a car that gets driven 1000 miles a year.
Another question I have is about the guys claiming max power setups.... how come the big guys are running two big turbos to the one big procharger/vortech?
Move forward to today with setups that use spring loaded tensioners, which with the Aster bracket, is the same tensioner used on the 6-rib main accessory belt, and the pressure on the crank is far less, and belt slip is a thing of the past.
I'm not saying there isn't any additional force, there is, but with a forged crank, I don't see it being a concern for a car that gets driven 1000 miles a year.
Another question I have is about the guys claiming max power setups.... how come the big guys are running two big turbos to the one big procharger/vortech?
04-19-2016, 07:47 AM
#124
listen smartass, obviously you can, I never negated that. What I'm trying to get people to focus on is the power output they do produce, which turbos dominate. Not how easy they are to install or how much it hurts your ***** to spend more time installing a turbo kit. Seems the only positive of a blower is how easy they bolt on... so when you lose to a turbo car, i mean hey, atleast you spent less time installing it right?
04-19-2016, 08:24 AM
#125
As for the whole crank pressure issue. I think the earlier f-body days gave a bad reputation for the blowers because they had static tensioners, and guys were cranking down on them to get rid of belt slip. The problem is as the rpms rise, the belt stretches, and you get slip. So they would crank down on them and put way too much pressure on them, at the end of the crank (more leverage), and cruising around at low rpms, it would be detrimental to the cranks and main bearings.
Move forward to today with setups that use spring loaded tensioners, which with the Aster bracket, is the same tensioner used on the 6-rib main accessory belt, and the pressure on the crank is far less, and belt slip is a thing of the past.
I'm not saying there isn't any additional force, there is, but with a forged crank, I don't see it being a concern for a car that gets driven 1000 miles a year.
Another question I have is about the guys claiming max power setups.... how come the big guys are running two big turbos to the one big procharger/vortech?
Move forward to today with setups that use spring loaded tensioners, which with the Aster bracket, is the same tensioner used on the 6-rib main accessory belt, and the pressure on the crank is far less, and belt slip is a thing of the past.
I'm not saying there isn't any additional force, there is, but with a forged crank, I don't see it being a concern for a car that gets driven 1000 miles a year.
Another question I have is about the guys claiming max power setups.... how come the big guys are running two big turbos to the one big procharger/vortech?
First off what is rpms?
Second look at class racing once that really shows the difference in power adders
Take a f1x..... It runs against a single 88mm turbo
Guess how big of inducer the f1x has to be able to compete on a level performance with a 88mm turbo? Yes it is 106mm
Let a 106mm ind turbo run with a f1x and see the results.
And I don't wanna hear blah blah turbo spins faster, because you take an equivalent compressor it is turning at a similar rpm with a turbo
Here is a 106 Garrett..... Compare that to rated f1x speeds
04-19-2016, 11:23 AM
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listen smartass, obviously you can, I never negated that. What I'm trying to get people to focus on is the power output they do produce, which turbos dominate. Not how easy they are to install or how much it hurts your ***** to spend more time installing a turbo kit. Seems the only positive of a blower is how easy they bolt on... so when you lose to a turbo car, i mean hey, atleast you spent less time installing it right?
04-19-2016, 11:37 AM
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Nope, not possible... Keep making more power, break stuff, build it for more power, break again, build it for power, till finally it's a track only car and you sell it because you realize it's not competitive and you can't afford to be competitive.
04-19-2016, 11:39 AM
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He is on the wrong forum. Nitromethanebigblocktech.com is that way >
04-19-2016, 11:50 AM
#137
Let's be honest, we're all guilty of constantly wanting more. A simple 'rebuild' turns into bigger cubes, bigger turbo/blower, bigger fuel system, bigger tires and suspension to be able to handle the additional power, and before you know it, you are at 1000+hp on the street, and then the track bug hits.
Not you realize that you're pretty fast, but a bigger turbo or blower would make you more competitive, as well as dropping 300lbs off the car.
Then you have some mild success, and want to go further.... it's a slippery slope. It's why I quit racing my car years ago. The cost vs reward just didn't add up to me.
So yes. I like that I have a simple, easy to maintain 900rwhp platform that didn't require me to custom fabricate or mount things, or remove a/c or sway bar, or toss the exhaust out the front bumper.
I enjoy my car, and my kids do as well, and that's what really matters to me, not an et, or a dyno number.
So instead of worrying and fixing, and upgrading, Im enjoying the experience.
Not you realize that you're pretty fast, but a bigger turbo or blower would make you more competitive, as well as dropping 300lbs off the car.
Then you have some mild success, and want to go further.... it's a slippery slope. It's why I quit racing my car years ago. The cost vs reward just didn't add up to me.
So yes. I like that I have a simple, easy to maintain 900rwhp platform that didn't require me to custom fabricate or mount things, or remove a/c or sway bar, or toss the exhaust out the front bumper.
I enjoy my car, and my kids do as well, and that's what really matters to me, not an et, or a dyno number.
So instead of worrying and fixing, and upgrading, Im enjoying the experience.
04-19-2016, 12:15 PM
#138
I'm used to be a nitrous guy but I like the ease of making power with FI and having it at all times.
I've seen this happen plenty of times. It's not turbo/nitrous/blower specific but many people go way beyond what they should have and wind up not enjoying it anymore. As a result they get fed up and sell.
I've seen this happen plenty of times. It's not turbo/nitrous/blower specific but many people go way beyond what they should have and wind up not enjoying it anymore. As a result they get fed up and sell.
