Forced Induction Superchargers | Turbochargers | Intercoolers

spark blow out problems

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-05-2016, 10:34 PM
  #1  
Staging Lane
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
transaminator99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Ruther Glen , Va
Posts: 65
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default spark blow out problems

Lq4 with a t7875 on 21psi
Btr dual springs and hardened push rods
3 bar with alky control 100% methanol
Br7ef gapped to .018 brand new plugs
Afr 11.3 to 11.5 wot
Heat sink coils with stock wires

Can't get rid of the blow out at high rpm (5900 or so) , thought about trying ngk 1049 (8 heat range) and new wires , just trying to see if there is anything else I'm overlooking , car runs great in any other condition , on 18 to 19psi it doesn't do it , did a log today and only thing abnormal was kr was pulling 1 to 2 degrees out when I was experiencing blow out .... any help is appreciated
Old 07-06-2016, 01:02 AM
  #2  
8 Second Truck Club
iTrader: (32)
 
Blown06's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,181
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

are you on a 411 pcm or aftermarket efi system? Have you tried increasing the dwell?
Old 07-06-2016, 07:30 AM
  #3  
Staging Lane
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
transaminator99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Ruther Glen , Va
Posts: 65
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

It's on a stock ecu in a 99 trans am , no I haven't messed with anything to do with the coils just swapped them in case the old ones were the problem since I had the truck coils laying around
Old 07-06-2016, 07:47 AM
  #4  
LS1Tech Sponsor
iTrader: (10)
 
hellbents10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Spring Lake, MI
Posts: 4,439
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

Run the dwell at 4.5ms and check exhaust back pressure too.
Old 07-06-2016, 04:47 PM
  #5  
9 Second Club
 
stevieturbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Norn Iron
Posts: 13,616
Received 180 Likes on 155 Posts

Default

Genuine coils or some sort of copies ?

No way should you be having spark problems at that level.
Old 07-06-2016, 06:29 PM
  #6  
Staging Lane
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
transaminator99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Ruther Glen , Va
Posts: 65
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by stevieturbo
Genuine coils or some sort of copies ?

No way should you be having spark problems at that level.
They're genuine gm coils , I know it's driving me nuts , I did the ngk 1049s today and it still does it
Old 07-06-2016, 06:35 PM
  #7  
Staging Lane
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
transaminator99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Ruther Glen , Va
Posts: 65
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by hellbents10
Run the dwell at 4.5ms and check exhaust back pressure too.
I'm gonna look into the back pressure but I'm not savvy with tuning so I wouldn't know where to begin with changing the dwell for the coils lol
Old 07-06-2016, 07:42 PM
  #8  
TECH Veteran
iTrader: (1)
 
gametech's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Stockbridge GA
Posts: 4,157
Likes: 0
Received 491 Likes on 343 Posts

Default

Do you trust that your valvesprings are OK? If not, it could be valve float instead of spark blowout.
Old 07-06-2016, 07:48 PM
  #9  
Staging Lane
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
transaminator99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Ruther Glen , Va
Posts: 65
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by gametech
Do you trust that your valvesprings are OK? If not, it could be valve float instead of spark blowout.
Yeah they only have a few thousand miles on them , they're btr duals but if I can't find anything else I'll pop the valve covers off and inspect
Old 07-06-2016, 09:01 PM
  #10  
8 Second Club
iTrader: (5)
 
rotary1307cc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,790
Likes: 0
Received 121 Likes on 90 Posts

Default

Close it up more
Old 07-07-2016, 02:43 AM
  #11  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (4)
 
foose04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 1,497
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Wow, this sounds like the same damn thing I'm dealing with.

21-22psi, .018 gap on ngk 1049s. Even got the random knock he said. E85, 15.5-16.5 timing. 180 eng temps, and AITs below 120.

5.7L 9.5 compression S480/92 1.0 t4


I was wondering if it's 112k OEM truck coils are tired. Thinking about trying those 15% hotter Accel coils. Wish hey wasn't yellow, they ugggly.


How tight can you go?
Old 07-07-2016, 04:34 AM
  #12  
9 Second Club
 
stevieturbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Norn Iron
Posts: 13,616
Received 180 Likes on 155 Posts

Default

The chances of this being spark blowout is almost zero.
Old 07-07-2016, 06:27 AM
  #13  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (11)
 
69-chvl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: THORNTON, PA (NEAR PHILLY)
Posts: 1,620
Received 31 Likes on 23 Posts

Default

Try a ground wire to each coil pack to a good ground point.
Old 07-07-2016, 06:55 AM
  #14  
9 Second Club
iTrader: (2)
 
yenkomike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: oxford mi
Posts: 1,415
Likes: 0
Received 181 Likes on 96 Posts

Default

are you running out of fuel pump. they can go from 11.0 to way to lean very fast if you run out of pump.
Old 07-07-2016, 08:08 AM
  #15  
Staging Lane
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
transaminator99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Ruther Glen , Va
Posts: 65
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I'm running a walbro 450 and a stock pump as my second pump , I have a brfpr and 60# injectors plus 100 percent methanol , the car made 780rwhp and 811rwtq and I can drown the motor with methanol if I turn it up lol so I don't think it's fuel , plus the afr is good every single time it does it , maybe it is something else but it stutters or sounds like fast gurgling at high rpms and it's not constant ,it'll go in and out really fast sometimes and sometimes it will do it worse .... I'm just out of ideas
Old 07-07-2016, 08:39 AM
  #16  
Launching!
 
neverstop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 228
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

simple but worth checking all the grounds and making sure they're all immaculate. My car certainly runs better since I cleaned and redid all the grounds and my car has fairly lowmileage
Old 07-07-2016, 09:46 AM
  #17  
7 Second Club
 
ls3fox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 671
Received 118 Likes on 73 Posts
Default

How about taking a video so we can hear what it does
Old 07-07-2016, 01:20 PM
  #18  
9 Second Club
 
stevieturbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Norn Iron
Posts: 13,616
Received 180 Likes on 155 Posts

Default

Could be many things....surprised your tuned with all the info etc to hand doesnt have any suggestions ?

Could easily be far too rich...widebands dont always tell the truth
Old 07-07-2016, 02:12 PM
  #19  
Restricted User
 
JoeNova's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Ohio
Posts: 7,194
Received 107 Likes on 89 Posts
Default

This same thing just started to happen to me after turning the boost back up to where it was last year. I changed to a TBSS intake/90mm TB over the winter and rebuilt the hotside to flow better (more gradual bends).

At 10 PSI I was fine. Even had to add 20% fuel over last year.

Now at 21-24 PSI, I get lots of what sounds like misfiring at 5000+ RPM.
I did change a couple of plug wires because I needed the longer ones I was using on another build, and went with a larger water/meth nozzle (I run 70% water/30% meth). I also added a brake booster. It seems like I might've either screwed up a ground wire somewhere or possibly picked up a boost leak since most of the cold side/intake has changed.

I run the same plugs as you with a much wider gap (.028) and didn't have this problem last year. Same coils, same AFR.
Old 07-07-2016, 02:18 PM
  #20  
Staging Lane
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
transaminator99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Ruther Glen , Va
Posts: 65
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by stevieturbo
Could be many things....surprised your tuned with all the info etc to hand doesnt have any suggestions ?

Could easily be far too rich...widebands dont always tell the truth
I don't follow the first part , maybe I'm reading it wrong , but I'll throw another wideband in it and double check the afr


Quick Reply: spark blow out problems



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:40 PM.