Pricing estimate for my goals...
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Pricing estimate for my goals... Hi guys,
Next spring, I will be looking at about 15-20K to play around with. I know I want to go big CID -- 408 to 427 along with the ATI F1 blower.
Right now, I am internally stock with bolt-ons... I have an 02, so I have the LS6 intake manifold. I also have PPC long tube headers on ORY pipe. The tranny (T-56... I know I have to beef up the T-56, but I do NOT want to switch to an auto -- I don't care if it is faster), clutch, and rear end are stock.
I am hoping to hit 700 rwhp.
Is 15-20K going to be enough to prep the driveline for this kind of power, as well as doing the 408-427 plus heads/cam and the F1 blower?
I can also do all of the above, but wait to put the blower on for a later point in time if that amount of money isn't going to cover it.
Next spring, I will be looking at about 15-20K to play around with. I know I want to go big CID -- 408 to 427 along with the ATI F1 blower.
Right now, I am internally stock with bolt-ons... I have an 02, so I have the LS6 intake manifold. I also have PPC long tube headers on ORY pipe. The tranny (T-56... I know I have to beef up the T-56, but I do NOT want to switch to an auto -- I don't care if it is faster), clutch, and rear end are stock.
I am hoping to hit 700 rwhp.
Is 15-20K going to be enough to prep the driveline for this kind of power, as well as doing the 408-427 plus heads/cam and the F1 blower?
I can also do all of the above, but wait to put the blower on for a later point in time if that amount of money isn't going to cover it.
With 15K i would say it not enough...... I have over 15K under my hood in my AP Engineering 370ci Iron block and my D1-SC and my fuel system alone. The were talking $2500 for a new rearend, then $1500 to beef up the T-56.... I know APE was having a sale on there 408 long block for $9999 shipped. You are going to have to spend alot if you are wanting to do a 408+ cubes with a blower...... I dont remember how much just the F-1 head unit is but you are not going to get away with running the stock IC with that blower. I am stepping up to a bif Front mount Intercooler and it alone with the tubing will be another $1k...... then tuning and fabbing if you are paying someone to do it....... Start making phone calls and list everything out..... It could be done on a 348ci LS1 like PSJ's for $20K...........
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You will need an aftermarket ECU, like FAST or Big Stuff Three. Add $2500.
I would get a Vortech head unit they are more efficient and you will hit that number easily.
How many D1/P1/F1 LS1's have ever hit 700+ rwhp?
I would get a Vortech head unit they are more efficient and you will hit that number easily.
How many D1/P1/F1 LS1's have ever hit 700+ rwhp?
On LS1's John i dont know of any..... but with the head unit on another car i have seen 700rwhp out of a P1-SC....... We will see this year with some of us going with larger FMIC because the stock ones are so restrictive... they are robbing us of power.... we will see in the next couple of months..
Kyle
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If you're willing to spend 20 grand for 700 rear wheel, I know some people that can make that happen for you. pm me for more info.
Velocity, not trying to preach here but have you ever even been in a 700 RWHP car? It will be worthless on the street and cars with that much power with inexperienced drivers usually result in death(s)
Velocity, not trying to preach here but have you ever even been in a 700 RWHP car? It will be worthless on the street and cars with that much power with inexperienced drivers usually result in death(s)
sounds like you people need to join the poor boy racing club. Im still holding out on my stock T56 with 532ish rwt. (knock, knock) my 10 bolt held up with my 2.0 60' before i got my untested 12 bolt.
I think there was a shop here not sure which one, but offering some 408's pretty cheap, add some heads to it for under 2k, definatly need aftermarked ECU.
need some fuel crap and a good clutch..
If you dont car about beign fast just keep you stock suspension. If you want to be quick, do that first, with a 12 bolt or 9" (recomend 9" if you ever hit 700rwhp).
id be pissed if i couldnt hit 700rwhp with that kind of money.
I think there was a shop here not sure which one, but offering some 408's pretty cheap, add some heads to it for under 2k, definatly need aftermarked ECU.
need some fuel crap and a good clutch..
If you dont car about beign fast just keep you stock suspension. If you want to be quick, do that first, with a 12 bolt or 9" (recomend 9" if you ever hit 700rwhp).
id be pissed if i couldnt hit 700rwhp with that kind of money.
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
I would get a Vortech head unit they are more efficient and you will hit that number easily.
Really? That is very odd, because I have heard the complete opposite... I hear that ATI Prochargers usually make more power than Vortech at the same PSI...
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Originally Posted by Got Me SOM
Velocity, not trying to preach here but have you ever even been in a 700 RWHP car? It will be worthless on the street and cars with that much power with inexperienced drivers usually result in death(s)
Appreciate the concern... and I don't want to poo-poo what you said, but I am positive that I can handle this.
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What is the largest CID I can go on the stock block?
What I am hearing here, is that I not only need a new bottom end, but an entirely new block and ECU as well.
This is pissing me off... I could buy a wrecked Supra and transplant a 2JZ into it and build it to 900 HP for cheaper. Not that I would ever do it, but the LS1 is really starting to **** me off right now. Why is it so damn difficult/expensive to get this kind of power out of it?
Maybe it is time for a Kenne Bell 03 Cobra...
What I am hearing here, is that I not only need a new bottom end, but an entirely new block and ECU as well.
This is pissing me off... I could buy a wrecked Supra and transplant a 2JZ into it and build it to 900 HP for cheaper. Not that I would ever do it, but the LS1 is really starting to **** me off right now. Why is it so damn difficult/expensive to get this kind of power out of it?
Maybe it is time for a Kenne Bell 03 Cobra...
yes, vortechs are centrifugal
for that goals, i would follow harlans setup, and do a forged stock cube motor, and a incon kit, and push the hell out of it.
Or his new TT setup
but that might get out of the budget range.
But i too would base it from a vortech blower, over the ati.
Ryan
for that goals, i would follow harlans setup, and do a forged stock cube motor, and a incon kit, and push the hell out of it.
Or his new TT setup
but that might get out of the budget range. But i too would base it from a vortech blower, over the ati.
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Originally Posted by SC-MECHAM-WS6
a lot can change between now and next spring
so your 15-20k might not be off by then
so your 15-20k might not be off by then
Last edited by Velocity; Jun 28, 2004 at 02:51 PM.
I'm curious why you want your numbers at 700 hp. Is that just to say you have 700 to the wheels or because you want hit a certain et?
An LS1 with 700 to the ground will whip a 900 hp Supra's azz reasons being (and its already been proven and documented on videos) power to weight, and the ls1's obviously make more useable torque at lower rpms.
Torque wins races.
There's an old hot saying,if you got the money you can make ANY piece o chit fast, but its still a piece o chit. Go fast with class.
An LS1 with 700 to the ground will whip a 900 hp Supra's azz reasons being (and its already been proven and documented on videos) power to weight, and the ls1's obviously make more useable torque at lower rpms.
Torque wins races.
There's an old hot saying,if you got the money you can make ANY piece o chit fast, but its still a piece o chit. Go fast with class.
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Low ETs are a goal, certainly... and I know I would whip the **** out of that 900 HP Supra at the dragstrip.
However, a highway roll is a different story. I don't usually play around much on the streets from stop lights, but I definitely do from a roll on the highway...
However, a highway roll is a different story. I don't usually play around much on the streets from stop lights, but I definitely do from a roll on the highway...
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but check this out, lower hp ls1's beat higher hp Supra's on the street too,. Supra's have to have a BIG turbo (usually T-78-T-88) and it takes a long time for that sucker to spool when it finally goes into boost it blows the tires off. The power is literally an on/off switch and is not manageable at all.
Build a simple forged bottom end ls1 with heads/cam and either progressively controlled dual stage NOS or Blower and you will win.
We have a guy here named Wolverine who has a built Mustang with a Vortech. His car is Fast, it makes about 700 rear wheel on pump gas/104 mix. (he beat me ;( )The Supras are afraid to run em, why cause he makes the torque that pulls him way in front right away and those cars take forever to catch up.
That's why Supras ALWAYS want to do a 70/80 roll to 140-200 mph which I think is ridiculous.
but check this out, lower hp ls1's beat higher hp Supra's on the street too,. Supra's have to have a BIG turbo (usually T-78-T-88) and it takes a long time for that sucker to spool when it finally goes into boost it blows the tires off. The power is literally an on/off switch and is not manageable at all.
Build a simple forged bottom end ls1 with heads/cam and either progressively controlled dual stage NOS or Blower and you will win.
We have a guy here named Wolverine who has a built Mustang with a Vortech. His car is Fast, it makes about 700 rear wheel on pump gas/104 mix. (he beat me ;( )The Supras are afraid to run em, why cause he makes the torque that pulls him way in front right away and those cars take forever to catch up.
That's why Supras ALWAYS want to do a 70/80 roll to 140-200 mph which I think is ridiculous.
Buy the cobra, get a Kenne Bell blowzilla and call it good!! It'll cost you about a quarter of what the Ls1 is gonna cost. I love my WS6, but now I wish I'd gone the Cobra route from a pure performance/cost standpoint.