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Old 03-14-2022 | 10:16 PM
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Welp...I already ordered parts to do 4"
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4 will look better. Not that it will make a big difference, but 4 will slow down the speed of the air coming into the manifold.

I like the way you roll.
Old 03-15-2022 | 03:18 PM
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4 will look better. Not that it will make a big difference, but 4 will slow down the speed of the air coming into the manifold.

I like the way you roll.
I am not sure that velocity will be an issue, since the intake tube from the compressor discharge to the TB will be about 3 feet long.

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Old 03-18-2022 | 10:16 PM
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The Tick Performance intercooler showed up yesterday. I was very impressed with their careful packaging.



This thing is absolutely gorgeous and is built really well. The intercooler core looks to be a high quality design with a high density of fins.



The mounting flanges are billet as are the end tanks.



I also received the V-band flange for the compressor discharge piping, which will be 4 inches in diameter.



This is the MAP sensor that I will be using. I will actually be using two of them. These are 3 bar, which is a little more than I need, but I don't like running sensors to the limits of their range.



There are 4 wires instead of 3, like you would find on a typical MAP sensor. These sensors have an integral air temperature sensor, which makes for nicer packaging. One sensor will go into the Low Ram intake base, while the other will go in the lid, above the intercooler. This will allow me to measure the pressure drop across the intercooler as well as the temperature change.



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That's an awesome idea for the dual map sensors. I can't wait to see the results!
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Old 03-20-2022 | 09:58 AM
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That's an awesome idea for the dual map sensors. I can't wait to see the results!
I am a little curious myself. LOL

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Old 03-23-2022 | 01:46 PM
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The Mighty Mouse Solutions timing pointer had to be shortened just a little bit in order to work with the ATI balancer that comes with the Holley mid-mount accessory drive.



To be honest, I am not sure that it will actually be visible when everything is assembled, but at least it is there and pointing accurately.



Then I noticed this...



Looks like its back to using the drain ports on the pan. I have a real short fitting that I will try.

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If only it was a little more pointed toward 12 o'clock, would that help? Hard to tell looking straight at it, but yeah that looks close.
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If only it was a little more pointed toward 12 o'clock, would that help? Hard to tell looking straight at it, but yeah that looks close.
Not really. The AC compressor and the water pump casting is all up in there.
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Originally Posted by Project GatTagO
Not really. The AC compressor and the water pump casting is all up in there.
Don’t have A/C but this is mine with about .080 and it has never touched. Stock balancer too!

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Don’t have A/C but this is mine with about .080 and it has never touched. Stock balancer too!
My issue is not the clearance with the balancer. It is the fact that it is pointing right at the turbo manifold on the passenger side.

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I wonder if a "full flow" 45 deg added to it would clear-guessing its a #10? I got the hooker turbo manifold for my new project, kind of thinking I might have been better off with a log manifold, as I have used them in the past on A bodies.
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I wonder if a "full flow" 45 deg added to it would clear-guessing its a #10? I got the hooker turbo manifold for my new project, kind of thinking I might have been better off with a log manifold, as I have used them in the past on A bodies.
I still think the Hooker logs are a good option, but obviously every chassis is going to present unique problems. Here is the issue I am trying to preempt:




That picture was taken by my buddy TJ in his 67 Chevelle. The oil drain on the 302-3 oilpan are right over the front crossmember. He said the picture is misleading and the available space in that area is very limited.

So before installing the engine, I want to have a plan.

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Aluminum hard line maybe?
Then you wouldn't have to worry about heat or deterioration?
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Old 03-25-2022 | 10:47 AM
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Aluminum hard line maybe?
Then you wouldn't have to worry about heat or deterioration?
That's not crazy talk...Once I know where the turbo is going to live, I can explore further. I just want to have some thing on the pan before the engine goes in that I can work with, without having to pull the engine again.

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Did a little more mock-up. I was a little worried about the coils and Accel wires playing nicely together with the turbo manifold.

Spark plug access is amazing, which is really nice for quick plug checks.



Cylinders 2 and 4.



Cylinders 6 and 8.



There is a solid 1/2" gap between the ceramic plug boots and the manifold runners.



Overall, this is looking promising. It remains to be seen how the downpipes will effect any of this.

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Originally Posted by The ******
Aluminum hard line maybe?
Then you wouldn't have to worry about heat or deterioration?
That is step 2. Make everything work with rubber line, then make it last with real parts. No need to go bending hardline until you have finalized a build, and no need to take chances on the temp lines once you know where everything is going.
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Since I am back to looking at the oil pan for turbo drain, I found this smooth 90 degree fitting on Amazon. I will probably still have to pull the pan to install it, but hopefully that will be the last time!



I also got my first order from Stainless Bros for the turbo up-pipe. I was very impressed that they had everything that needed in stock and it shipped the same day. I placed my order on Monday afternoon and got my parts Wednesday afternoon. I was also pleased to see that everything was thoughtfully bagged and well packaged.



This is a 3" 135 degree bend that will go on the manifold exit.



I also got some precut pie-cuts that will be used to snake around and place the turbo where I want.

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Is that a #10 to 1/2 pipe, that could be an option with the 302-3 pan on my new project, if I run into problems. As I remember on my A body Buick, I drilled and tapped in front of the starter for the drain, but if I can use what the pan has so much the better. Does it have a part #, I tend to buy stuff like this just to have, lol.
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Originally Posted by forcd ind
Is that a #10 to 1/2 pipe, that could be an option with the 302-3 pan on my new project, if I run into problems. As I remember on my A body Buick, I drilled and tapped in front of the starter for the drain, but if I can use what the pan has so much the better. Does it have a part #, I tend to buy stuff like this just to have, lol.
It was from this seller:

Amazon Amazon

But I do not see it being offered right now. Yes, it is 1/2" NPT to -AN10. I also found an Earl's 1/2" NPT to 5/8" barb that swivels.

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Quick Performance finally sent me that remainder of the rear end parts. Yes, they shipped the carrier in a Menards bucket, which was then packed in a really heavy duty cardboard box. No complaints, just found it funny. It's a Yukon bolt through aluminum carrier with an Eaton 35 spline TruTrack and 3.25 gears, plus the CV pinion yoke, which I sent them.



I've also been keeping Vic busy with small machining projects. He used some really heavy duty loctite to install a 3/8" NPT plug into an existing port in the intake manifold, then drilled it out to a 12mm hole. This is for the Bosch TMAP that I will be using as the main vacuum/boost sensor for the Holley EFI.





The MAP sensor below it is for the VaporWorks fuel pressure controller. It will adjust rail pressure based on vacuum and boost to maintain a consistent deferential pressure across the injectors. He also added a port for the vacuum line that will go to the catch can.



He is also going to drill and tap little holes for P-clamps that will hold the oil feed line for the turbo.



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