New stock block record
Sleeved block isn’t a stock block…I wonder what part of the “rules” allow you to do whatever you want to your stock block, in order to not make it stock any longer? Billet and pinned mains? Does deck height matter? Lol…
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Feel free to delete thread if you feel im being dishonest.
my mistake I thought a resleeved oem block was still considered stock block since it’s not an aftermarket block.
This would also make what Steve morris is doing completely useless as his would not fit the stock block rules then either if resleeving is not allowed.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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my mistake I thought a resleeved oem block was still considered stock block since it’s not an aftermarket block.
This would also make what Steve morris is doing completely useless as his would not fit the stock block rules then either if resleeving is not allowed.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Verdad Gallardo Beater's 4.060 is impressive in every way, he's now #19 on the all-time quickest in the 1/8th section of the LSX Record list.
Stock block is a bit of a spectrum. Capizzi's car has stock sleeves, 1/2" head studs, pinned mains and is hooped. Stock sleeves limit the bore size obviously.
Beater is running Frankenstein LS7 style heads on a 400 ci sleeved engine, not filled, but no water.
Stock block is a bit of a spectrum. Capizzi's car has stock sleeves, 1/2" head studs, pinned mains and is hooped. Stock sleeves limit the bore size obviously.
Beater is running Frankenstein LS7 style heads on a 400 ci sleeved engine, not filled, but no water.
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No worries you can delete the thread. It wasn’t my intention to disrespect your friend.
After the Steve morris thresd I got the impression that resleeved oem blocks were still considered stock block.
now I know only untouched oem blocks count as stock block. Lesson learned and I will not forget. Someone should probably tell morris to stop wasting his time on his stock block project because his records will not count either.
After the Steve morris thresd I got the impression that resleeved oem blocks were still considered stock block.
now I know only untouched oem blocks count as stock block. Lesson learned and I will not forget. Someone should probably tell morris to stop wasting his time on his stock block project because his records will not count either.
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I mean, its very impressive, and putting aside the sleeved block for a moment, if I were to put a "stock block" in a 1800 pound Top Dragster chassis and run a bit quicker would I be the record holder? I wouldn't think so.
Stock Bottom End is a better metric, in my opinion, but even then it's fuzzy where the criteria begins and ends.
Stock Bottom End is a better metric, in my opinion, but even then it's fuzzy where the criteria begins and ends.
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I mean, its very impressive, and putting aside the sleeved block for a moment, if I were to put a "stock block" in a 1800 pound Top Dragster chassis and run a bit quicker would I be the record holder? I wouldn't think so.
Stock Bottom End is a better metric, in my opinion, but even then it's fuzzy where the criteria begins and ends.
Stock Bottom End is a better metric, in my opinion, but even then it's fuzzy where the criteria begins and ends.
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It's subjective, which is why it's not an official race class or something. Just doin it for the sake of doin it.
I always just considered it to be stock sleeves, block etc etc. I mean sleeving a stock block is as expensive as a LSX or Dart block for the most part so unless you need the weight savings I don't see how I'd stick to the smaller engine. But this topic is just like the street car topic and everyone will just argue forever as to what THEY think it is lol No reason to delete the post though it's still badass and he will probably go faster.
I'm a purist, like Ed said above I view a sleeved block as a modified stock block, so it's an asterisk record to me. I do notate on the list if someone is running a sleeved block.
I've heard that Steve Morris is cutting up the deck off and replacing them, that's not stock block by any stretch.
Good conversation.
By the way, the mods I've seen folks do over the year to stock blocks are:
-Hoops
-1/2" head studs
-Pin the mains
-Probably there are people who have dry decked the blocks, welded up the water passages, to smaller. LME used to do this for LSX blocks, so maybe stock blocks too?
-Kurt Urban once shared pics of cylindrical inserts that were pressed or machined into the corners of the blocks in the water passages. Any have those pics handy? I could ask him for one. I haven't seen anyone do this in a long time.
I've heard that Steve Morris is cutting up the deck off and replacing them, that's not stock block by any stretch.
Good conversation.
By the way, the mods I've seen folks do over the year to stock blocks are:
-Hoops
-1/2" head studs
-Pin the mains
-Probably there are people who have dry decked the blocks, welded up the water passages, to smaller. LME used to do this for LSX blocks, so maybe stock blocks too?
-Kurt Urban once shared pics of cylindrical inserts that were pressed or machined into the corners of the blocks in the water passages. Any have those pics handy? I could ask him for one. I haven't seen anyone do this in a long time.
It is an OEM cast production block for a GM vehicle, no two ways about that. There after, have a ball with your micro-world records on every possible change you can make to said block. Whether that is sleeves, hoops, 1/2" studs, oiling mods, pinned mains, pinned mains made from different material, solid deck, etc. Doesn't change the fact that it started life never intended to do the things that some really smart people are doing with them.
Agreed, GM folks never imagined that someone would take an engine out of a Chevy Avalanche and run 7s with it.
But sleeving for a bigger bore is where I personally draw the line. Like someone already mentioned you are at the cost of an LSX block or a Dart iron block.
But sleeving for a bigger bore is where I personally draw the line. Like someone already mentioned you are at the cost of an LSX block or a Dart iron block.