very, very nice turbo setup on camaro
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Camaro Turbo System Maybe I'm just being stupid, but coudlnt the people who designed that turbo system run the intake into the trunk like they did with the boost controller? 
It just seems to be like having the intake underneath the car like is a the best way possible to suck tons of crap into the filter. 
It just seems to be like having the intake underneath the car like is a the best way possible to suck tons of crap into the filter.
Originally Posted by Tin Indian
The real problem with that setup is the distance the turbo hot section is from the maniflods. The farther down a pipe the exhaust travels, the slower the exhaust velocity becomes and the hot exhaust gasses loose energy. There is a mathamatical formula, but I don't have it.
Certainly, a turbo will spool much faster the closer to the exhaust manifold it is mounted. (and it will produce more boost with a given amount of exhaust flow) vs a system that is mounted farther down the pipe.
That system in the picture will work .... But, it is [not] efficient at all
Certainly, a turbo will spool much faster the closer to the exhaust manifold it is mounted. (and it will produce more boost with a given amount of exhaust flow) vs a system that is mounted farther down the pipe.
That system in the picture will work .... But, it is [not] efficient at all
I am in no means a turbo expert nor an STS owner (yet) , but I have been researching this as much as possible before purchasing the kit. I believe that the properly sized turbo and intake piping should produce sufficient boost with little to no lag. As far as the heat is concerned (distance from head) I have never herd of heat alone turning a turbine or pump of anykind. Yes the gases do have more velocity when hot, but how much? With the turbo located father form the heat source you not only can take advantage of twice the volume of exhaust gases going through the turbo but also the fact that there will not be as much heat transfer through the turbo charger itself. Again I am in no means an expert, and I am open for opinions.
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Originally Posted by vipex70
Maybe I'm just being stupid, but coudlnt the people who designed that turbo system run the intake into the trunk like they did with the boost controller? It just seems to be like having the intake underneath the car like is a the best way possible to suck tons of crap into the filter.
It just seems to be like having the intake underneath the car like is a the best way possible to suck tons of crap into the filter. 
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The main thing that I would be worrying about with this kit is hitting pot holes and more importantly hitting animals........ This may not be a concern to some but where I am both are very abundant. I would be pissed if a head on collision with roadkill ruined my 3000 turbo kit 
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Originally Posted by jrtf83
It does seem like that. But dont' forget about FTRA and SLP's CAI that both pick up air from under the car. I know its not the same but i could see this system working really well and being very stealthy.
What is this about NA vs Turbo?
We raced our JL LS1 car against a 427 Z06 (guy claims $20,000 for the engine and runs 10.80's) from a 25 roll on 10psi (stock cubes, stock heads, stock cam) and ran side by side the whole way. Take note, our LS1 is an Automatic! Thats top end turbo for you!
Went from a dead stop and pulled him
We raced our JL LS1 car against a 427 Z06 (guy claims $20,000 for the engine and runs 10.80's) from a 25 roll on 10psi (stock cubes, stock heads, stock cam) and ran side by side the whole way. Take note, our LS1 is an Automatic! Thats top end turbo for you!
Went from a dead stop and pulled him
The topic of Turbo hp vs Motor HP is a debate you can have.
However the playing field has to be the same.
Can a 400 RWHP A4 beat a 460 RWHP M6, sure.
However what would have to happen is that 400 A4 would have to have a 4400 stall, slicks, the correct gears, etc. The 60 ft times might be good enough to hold off the faster MPH turbo car.
Look around at the times NA guys have vs Turbo guys have on this site and you can see who this arguement can be ligit. Almost everyone has faster track times when NA in comparision to FI people making similar HP.
From a roll is a different story and I wont even try and agrue that one.
I am DEFENTIALLY NOT saying turbo cars are slower or NA HP is better than turbo HP just stating what normally happens.
However the playing field has to be the same.
Can a 400 RWHP A4 beat a 460 RWHP M6, sure.
However what would have to happen is that 400 A4 would have to have a 4400 stall, slicks, the correct gears, etc. The 60 ft times might be good enough to hold off the faster MPH turbo car.
Look around at the times NA guys have vs Turbo guys have on this site and you can see who this arguement can be ligit. Almost everyone has faster track times when NA in comparision to FI people making similar HP.
From a roll is a different story and I wont even try and agrue that one.
I am DEFENTIALLY NOT saying turbo cars are slower or NA HP is better than turbo HP just stating what normally happens.
Originally Posted by SStolen
What's a superstroker?
Trust me I can afford your rims and tires. I know how fast my car is and I know how slow yours is. I tell you this. You are the one who intitated any form of racing with my brother. Drive to lexington, I will race you in my cam only car vs your cam only(no bottle) and I will wager 500 dollars that I pull you by at least 3 cars. Your alot of talk just like the rest of the kyfbody members and their horribly slow cars. I will even give you the gas money just to get here. Bring a friend and a camera and make sure your post the tape on here.
Whats the word little man? Do you want this race?
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From: Jersey boy
Originally Posted by jdp244
The main thing that I would be worrying about with this kit is hitting pot holes and more importantly hitting animals........ This may not be a concern to some but where I am both are very abundant. I would be pissed if a head on collision with roadkill ruined my 3000 turbo kit
and also..
Originally Posted by SStolen
Would a turbo car with 460rwhp beat an all-motor car with 400rwhp? Especially with turbo lag. I don't think so. You could beat that turbo car with a G5X3, intake, headers and a good tune with a 6800 rpm redline.
also, if your turbo setup consists of a turbo large enough to still make power till 6800 rpm you'll leave that N/A car doing this
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Originally Posted by BigPlanTransAm
this guy has got to be kidding! a turbo car with the right turbo will have a MUCH broader powerband than a big cam N/A car.
also, if your turbo setup consists of a turbo large enough to still make power till 6800 rpm you'll leave that N/A car doing this
also, if your turbo setup consists of a turbo large enough to still make power till 6800 rpm you'll leave that N/A car doing this
5.3L
Alex, I think your car could be even faster because your big head is slowing you down by at least two tenths. I don't think you know what you are getting into....
I know Levi, talked to him on at least ten different occasions. He was helping me out with a 427, so I was just kidding with the superstroker comment. I'm just getting everyone's panties in a bunch (and especially yours apparently) because turbo guys are so offensive. Your the all-motor guy with **** up to his knees. I'm not saying your car is slow and I was kidding about challenging your brother, I'm not stupid. You are definitely talking a lot of **** by saying that my car is slow. You might want to go back to the thread where I posted my runs after my cam install and see exactly why it was running the times it did. If you really want to race for $500 with a three car lead, let me know when and where you want to do this. We'll run from 20-120+, no bottle. I can't believe I'm internet racing....
I know Levi, talked to him on at least ten different occasions. He was helping me out with a 427, so I was just kidding with the superstroker comment. I'm just getting everyone's panties in a bunch (and especially yours apparently) because turbo guys are so offensive. Your the all-motor guy with **** up to his knees. I'm not saying your car is slow and I was kidding about challenging your brother, I'm not stupid. You are definitely talking a lot of **** by saying that my car is slow. You might want to go back to the thread where I posted my runs after my cam install and see exactly why it was running the times it did. If you really want to race for $500 with a three car lead, let me know when and where you want to do this. We'll run from 20-120+, no bottle. I can't believe I'm internet racing....
Last edited by SStolen; Aug 10, 2004 at 10:11 AM.
Originally Posted by SStolen
Alex, I think your car could be even faster because your big head is slowing you down by at least two tenths. I don't think you know what you are getting into....
I know Levi, talked to him on at least ten different occasions. He was helping me out with a 427, so I was just kidding with the superstroker comment. I'm just getting everyone's panties in a bunch (and especially yours apparently) because turbo guys are so offensive. Your the all-motor guy with **** up to his knees. I'm not saying your car is slow and I was kidding about challenging your brother, I'm not stupid. You are definitely talking a lot of **** by saying that my car is slow. You might want to go back to the thread where I posted my runs after my cam install and see exactly why it was running the times it did. If you really want to race for $500 with a three car lead, let me know when and where you want to do this. We'll run from 20-120+, no bottle. I can't believe I'm internet racing....
I know Levi, talked to him on at least ten different occasions. He was helping me out with a 427, so I was just kidding with the superstroker comment. I'm just getting everyone's panties in a bunch (and especially yours apparently) because turbo guys are so offensive. Your the all-motor guy with **** up to his knees. I'm not saying your car is slow and I was kidding about challenging your brother, I'm not stupid. You are definitely talking a lot of **** by saying that my car is slow. You might want to go back to the thread where I posted my runs after my cam install and see exactly why it was running the times it did. If you really want to race for $500 with a three car lead, let me know when and where you want to do this. We'll run from 20-120+, no bottle. I can't believe I'm internet racing....
LOL HAHAHA
Last edited by 2000 ws6; Aug 10, 2004 at 10:34 PM.
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My goodness, talk about hijacking someones thread. Then all the mud slinging going around that has nothing to do with the original comment. And THEN for all the "SCIENTISTS" that STILL say the STS has lag, clearance issues, dirty filter, yada yada yada...
Why is everyone except the people that actually OWN an STS make the negative comments about it. Most of the nay sayers are working off of theories and have no actual experience or proof.
For all you anti STS peeps out there... the world is flat, man will never fly, the Sun rotates around the earth, and we will NEVER break the sound barrier.
Sheesh. IF YOU DON'T KNOW, please put a disclaimer.
And you 2 macho men, please have a little curtesy and start your own thread. This isn't lsturd.com.
/rant off
Paul
Why is everyone except the people that actually OWN an STS make the negative comments about it. Most of the nay sayers are working off of theories and have no actual experience or proof.
For all you anti STS peeps out there... the world is flat, man will never fly, the Sun rotates around the earth, and we will NEVER break the sound barrier.
Sheesh. IF YOU DON'T KNOW, please put a disclaimer.
And you 2 macho men, please have a little curtesy and start your own thread. This isn't lsturd.com.
/rant off
Paul
Originally Posted by CANNIBAL
I have a 427 MTI superstroker.
I don't street race.
However, my brother was driving my car last night and put around 25 cars on an LS1 from a 20 MPH roll to 120 MPH with (just using it a reference point):
G5X2, LS6 intake, ASP, LTs, MN6, and all the other bolt ons.
I don't street race.
However, my brother was driving my car last night and put around 25 cars on an LS1 from a 20 MPH roll to 120 MPH with (just using it a reference point):
G5X2, LS6 intake, ASP, LTs, MN6, and all the other bolt ons.
Just jerkin' your chain... 427 is higher than I can count 
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From: Houma, Louisiana
Originally Posted by Wildman
My goodness, talk about hijacking someones thread. Then all the mud slinging going around that has nothing to do with the original comment. And THEN for all the "SCIENTISTS" that STILL say the STS has lag, clearance issues, dirty filter, yada yada yada...
Why is everyone except the people that actually OWN an STS make the negative comments about it. Most of the nay sayers are working off of theories and have no actual experience or proof.
For all you anti STS peeps out there... the world is flat, man will never fly, the Sun rotates around the earth, and we will NEVER break the sound barrier.
Sheesh. IF YOU DON'T KNOW, please put a disclaimer.
And you 2 macho men, please have a little curtesy and start your own thread. This isn't lsturd.com.
/rant off
Paul
Why is everyone except the people that actually OWN an STS make the negative comments about it. Most of the nay sayers are working off of theories and have no actual experience or proof.
For all you anti STS peeps out there... the world is flat, man will never fly, the Sun rotates around the earth, and we will NEVER break the sound barrier.
Sheesh. IF YOU DON'T KNOW, please put a disclaimer.
And you 2 macho men, please have a little curtesy and start your own thread. This isn't lsturd.com.
/rant off
Paul
Last edited by JERRY2500; Aug 11, 2004 at 01:23 PM.
I'll be laughing too when I'm counting my money. So what's up, little man? You want this race or not? Just know that my car will not be setup in the same form it was when I ran at the Valley. It will be COMPLETE, WITH tuning and the rest of the mods in my sig.
As far as the heat is concerned (distance from head) I have never herd of heat alone turning a turbine or pump of anykind.