very, very nice turbo setup on camaro
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Heat is PART of the reason Turbo charging works. Not the the whole taco though. If you stick a turbo in an oven and crank it to 1000deg is the impeller gonna start to spin? Nope, you need to direct air through it also right? So it's only half the equation IMO. 
I think what the guy you were quoting was getting at is that all these "people" (I'll be nice) say that a rear mount kit wouldn't work because there was too little heat. Well that is utter nonsense because with a properly sized turbo you can make it work with less heat and still be efficient. Will it be as efficient as a front mounted? I am not in a position to say yes or no BUT the fact that it does work and works well is a proven FACT.
I rememebr reading somewhere that the EGT readings are failry similar to those of diesel trucks and we all know those work. Or you can look at turbocharged vehicles running methanol as a fuel source.
But I agree, heat is very important, but not as important as some of the people on here were saying 8months ago when they said the kit was crap and would never put out good #s. Well 450rwhp with 5psi on a stock LS1 is good #s IMO.
I think what the guy you were quoting was getting at is that all these "people" (I'll be nice) say that a rear mount kit wouldn't work because there was too little heat. Well that is utter nonsense because with a properly sized turbo you can make it work with less heat and still be efficient. Will it be as efficient as a front mounted? I am not in a position to say yes or no BUT the fact that it does work and works well is a proven FACT.
I rememebr reading somewhere that the EGT readings are failry similar to those of diesel trucks and we all know those work. Or you can look at turbocharged vehicles running methanol as a fuel source.
But I agree, heat is very important, but not as important as some of the people on here were saying 8months ago when they said the kit was crap and would never put out good #s. Well 450rwhp with 5psi on a stock LS1 is good #s IMO.
Heat is PART of the reason Turbo charging works. Not the the whole taco though. If you stick a turbo in an oven and crank it to 1000deg is the impeller gonna start to spin? Nope, you need to direct air through it also right? So it's only half the equation IMO.
I cant belive we are back to the same argument. This still comes up when there are many cars with STS on them, all making great power, some in the 600hp range with just a few mods. My car makes 412/451 @ 5psi stock and untuned; oh, I forgot, this wont work. F8L Z71 is making 436/479 and on his way to more, amact is making 570/600. It works!! THERES NO DOUBT.
I just put a system on a 408 and we were already at 450/490 at 5psi and had to shut it down way early because he didnt have the fuel to support it and it ran too lean. That car will be close to 500rwhp @5psi and he has the motor to do MUCH more.
I absolutely dont want to argue, but the debate over it working is done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just put a system on a 408 and we were already at 450/490 at 5psi and had to shut it down way early because he didnt have the fuel to support it and it ran too lean. That car will be close to 500rwhp @5psi and he has the motor to do MUCH more.
I absolutely dont want to argue, but the debate over it working is done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by trtturbo
I cant belive we are back to the same argument. This still comes up when there are many cars with STS on them, all making great power, some in the 600hp range with just a few mods. My car makes 412/451 @ 5psi stock and untuned; oh, I forgot, this wont work. F8L Z71 is making 436/479 and on his way to more, amact is making 570/600. It works!! THERES NO DOUBT.
I just put a system on a 408 and we were already at 450/490 at 5psi and had to shut it down way early because he didnt have the fuel to support it and it ran too lean. That car will be close to 500rwhp @5psi and he has the motor to do MUCH more.
I absolutely dont want to argue, but the debate over it working is done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just put a system on a 408 and we were already at 450/490 at 5psi and had to shut it down way early because he didnt have the fuel to support it and it ran too lean. That car will be close to 500rwhp @5psi and he has the motor to do MUCH more.
I absolutely dont want to argue, but the debate over it working is done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you want to dispute it, BUY a kit, do some controlled scientific research and then discredit its merits. Otherwise you are forming an opinion on OLD DATA!!!
ok, I will get off my
now. SHEESH. I think some of my comments are being taken out of context here.
1st, I have NEVER commented on the STS kit, if you thought I was, anywhere, you're mistaken.
My last post was all about tossing a turbo into an oven, that's all it was about.
Heat IS the foundation of turbocharging. Anybody building these kits understands that. The guys that built the STS kit understood that, and that understanding is exactly WHY it works. They selected the components specifically for the design. They knew what they were doing, and I knew that long before all the proof was available to support them.
I'm sorry if I came off the wrong way, was just trying to provide a little foundation information and correct a rather incorrect statement (the first quote I posted in this thread). That's all I was doing.
1st, I have NEVER commented on the STS kit, if you thought I was, anywhere, you're mistaken.
My last post was all about tossing a turbo into an oven, that's all it was about.
Heat IS the foundation of turbocharging. Anybody building these kits understands that. The guys that built the STS kit understood that, and that understanding is exactly WHY it works. They selected the components specifically for the design. They knew what they were doing, and I knew that long before all the proof was available to support them.
I'm sorry if I came off the wrong way, was just trying to provide a little foundation information and correct a rather incorrect statement (the first quote I posted in this thread). That's all I was doing.
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No worries mate, I knew what you were getting at. I think your post was fine. Some of us just get a lil jumpy when we keep hearing the same crap from the non-believers is all.
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Originally Posted by felton316
Can you say 'turbo lag'? Plus, having the air filter behind the tire
I'm guessing on a street driven vehicle, that the filter will need a cleaning every 3.4 hours, maybe less if its raining.I can say 'turbo lag'...but its not like you think. It spools nicely. I've rode in both a T60 and a T67 cars that have the STS kits on. I couldn't tell any difference between them and other turbo cars. Only difference is the turbo is out back.
Point being made....it works...stop crying about it.
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I am neither a physicist or an STS Turbo owner, but what jRaskell has said has an argument. When measuring the boost of the turbo, it is (in my unprofessional opinion) measured before going into the vehicle's intake. So independent of temperature 5 psi of boost is 5 psi of boost. Another thing to consider is that when air, or O2, is heated the gas expands and creates more pressure because of the molecules moving at a much higher rate and bouncing into one another more violently. This violent movment requires more space to accomodate for more motion of the molecules. This creates less O2 molecules for a given area than the same pressure of cold O2. Thus if you you have an intake that allows for much cooler air, you will have more readily available O2 molecules for compression this will create a much more violent explosion inside the combustion chamber creating higher RPM, generating more HPs and more TQ. This is why ram air and forced induction systems do not have a shroud that covers the entire engine to "harness" the higher temperature air around the engine. You said in your post..."This increase in volume and pressure is what a turbocharger harnesses to increase the pressure on the intake side of the engine." But there is no increase in volume inside a vehicle's intake, that was the given (i.e. volume that doesn't change) as referred to above.
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Originally Posted by StockAVY
I am neither a physicist or an STS Turbo owner, but what jRaskell has said has an argument. When measuring the boost of the turbo, it is (in my unprofessional opinion) measured before going into the vehicle's intake. So independent of temperature 5 psi of boost is 5 psi of boost. Another thing to consider is that when air, or O2, is heated the gas expands and creates more pressure because of the molecules moving at a much higher rate and bouncing into one another more violently. This violent movment requires more space to accomodate for more motion of the molecules. This creates less O2 molecules for a given area than the same pressure of cold O2. Thus if you you have an intake that allows for much cooler air, you will have more readily available O2 molecules for compression this will create a much more violent explosion inside the combustion chamber creating higher RPM, generating more HPs and more TQ. This is why ram air and forced induction systems do not have a shroud that covers the entire engine to "harness" the higher temperature air around the engine. You said in your post..."This increase in volume and pressure is what a turbocharger harnesses to increase the pressure on the intake side of the engine." But there is no increase in volume inside a vehicle's intake, that was the given (i.e. volume that doesn't change) as referred to above.
I am considering a STS kit very seriously. If you watch the videos available of the cars you can see that lag is minimal. The kits make good power... run good track times...and are very affordable... What else could you ask for...
Originally Posted by JERRY2500
Here's my dyno chart and i'll let you be the judge if it works or not.
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Originally Posted by Armageddon
Damn I want one of these now... Am I going to blow my **** up with my T-Rex all Bolt-On setup with LT's into True Duals???
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5-liter-eater - Tell me more about your setup. Is that 630 on pump gas?
BlackCamaroSS02 - That is the most horsepower I've seen anyone put down with the STS kit. What mods to you have? You're putting down 40+ more horsepower than most of the other people with this kit.
Because most of the STS owners are embarassed that they spent $3500 dolllars and barely break 400 RWHP?
Yeah, you're running right with cam-only LS1's. Oh wait, that's in a truck. So you won't be.
So what? Most people with 408's put down more than 450 RWHP N/A.
This kit looks cool, but I fail to see why its a better deal than a h/c package with something around 224/224.
Call me when there is an STS car that can run with Raymer's. He put down 700+ RWHP (with trap speeds to prove it) with a stock LS1, so I'm sure someone with an STS kit should be able to do something in that range. Hell, he made 500 HP on that stock LS1 with PUMP gas, so I see no problem with an STS kit doing that. Right?
Until I see some real numbers from this kit, I'm gonna watch, but not hold my breath.
I'd love to put a cheap turbo on my car, but it looks to my like H/C + spray is the direction its going.
BlackCamaroSS02 - That is the most horsepower I've seen anyone put down with the STS kit. What mods to you have? You're putting down 40+ more horsepower than most of the other people with this kit.
Why is everyone except the people that actually OWN an STS make the negative comments about it.
Here's my dyno chart and i'll let you be the judge if it works or not.
THERES NO DOUBT.
I just put a system on a 408 and we were already at 450/490 at 5psi and had to shut it down way early because he didnt have the fuel to support it and it ran too lean. That car will be close to 500rwhp @5psi and he has the motor to do MUCH more.
I just put a system on a 408 and we were already at 450/490 at 5psi and had to shut it down way early because he didnt have the fuel to support it and it ran too lean. That car will be close to 500rwhp @5psi and he has the motor to do MUCH more.
This kit looks cool, but I fail to see why its a better deal than a h/c package with something around 224/224.
Call me when there is an STS car that can run with Raymer's. He put down 700+ RWHP (with trap speeds to prove it) with a stock LS1, so I'm sure someone with an STS kit should be able to do something in that range. Hell, he made 500 HP on that stock LS1 with PUMP gas, so I see no problem with an STS kit doing that. Right?
Until I see some real numbers from this kit, I'm gonna watch, but not hold my breath.
I'd love to put a cheap turbo on my car, but it looks to my like H/C + spray is the direction its going.
I'm not emabarassed at all that the money I spent got me a little over 400rwhp, perfect stock driveability, good mileage, quiet, and easy to install.
As far as the 408, it is a lower compression motor with a milder cam made for a turbo.
Will have more dyno #'s on the 1st with more fuel.
As far as the 408, it is a lower compression motor with a milder cam made for a turbo.
Will have more dyno #'s on the 1st with more fuel.
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raymers kit also costed about $7,000+instillation whereas the STS is about $4,000 and you can do the install yourself, or if you eed it installed i think its like less than $200. Raymer was running c-16 and methanol for that 700hp. a great achievement but that should be expected of big boost + high octane.
im not knocking his kit but if the same thing can be done for less, then why not?
im not knocking his kit but if the same thing can be done for less, then why not?
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z98 ....
Your lack of knowledge of F/I is overwhelmingly shown in this thread.
I am not trying to flame you, but you have given no technical merit to this thread. When you do get your H/C or F/I and have a positive opinion or idea to input on this, we will be all ears. But, as you say, "I won't hold my breath".
Your lack of knowledge of F/I is overwhelmingly shown in this thread.
I am not trying to flame you, but you have given no technical merit to this thread. When you do get your H/C or F/I and have a positive opinion or idea to input on this, we will be all ears. But, as you say, "I won't hold my breath".