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My old setup was a Vortech and basic bolt ons/ converter/drag radials
full weight no weight reduction// forgot the driver mod
If I would have put a set of valvesprings in I could have hit 10's, my car was shifting only at 6 grand.
that's it!
new setup is still in the works but should be very soon.
full weight no weight reduction// forgot the driver mod
If I would have put a set of valvesprings in I could have hit 10's, my car was shifting only at 6 grand.
that's it!
new setup is still in the works but should be very soon.
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Originally Posted by Got Me SOM
My old setup was a Vortech and basic bolt ons/ converter/drag radials
full weight no weight reduction// forgot the driver mod
If I would have put a set of valvesprings in I could have hit 10's, my car was shifting only at 6 grand.
that's it!
new setup is still in the works but should be very soon.
full weight no weight reduction// forgot the driver mod
If I would have put a set of valvesprings in I could have hit 10's, my car was shifting only at 6 grand.
that's it!
new setup is still in the works but should be very soon.
never claimed to run 10's Einstein but like I said if the car had valvesprings nothing else, it would have been there.
Show me a fullweight heads/cam on a drag radial that has gone 11.2 shifting at 6 grand. Oh that's right there aren't any..
I did a little research on you btw.
Here's what I found-this is good, lol..
your setup-98 Camaro Z28 Sport - Daily driver - Bolt-ons, MS3, 4k stall
your best time-60' 1.641 - 1/8 7.590 @ 91.63 - 1/4 11.921 @ 112.80
you barely cracked 11's,
and you're talking smack? 
Show me a fullweight heads/cam on a drag radial that has gone 11.2 shifting at 6 grand. Oh that's right there aren't any..
I did a little research on you btw.
Here's what I found-this is good, lol..
your setup-98 Camaro Z28 Sport - Daily driver - Bolt-ons, MS3, 4k stall
your best time-60' 1.641 - 1/8 7.590 @ 91.63 - 1/4 11.921 @ 112.80
you barely cracked 11's,
and you're talking smack? while i know its not exactly what your looking for but
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well...i've been on stock ws6 tires and full weight running 11.21 122.27 best. i like the fect that i'm not on skinnies like all my friends and foe's. now it's comming down to 10's on the motor and was wondering if the skinnie little tires could gain me another 1 tenth or so in the 1/4th. the truth is all the people i've killed keep spraying more juce and i need all the help i can get.
i know hes shifting higher than 6000 but obvisously with a NA car you need a big cam to spin the motor high & good heads to make big power. i know he was running 17" in the front and i think et streets in the rear. still very impressive...to me anyways.
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well...i've been on stock ws6 tires and full weight running 11.21 122.27 best. i like the fect that i'm not on skinnies like all my friends and foe's. now it's comming down to 10's on the motor and was wondering if the skinnie little tires could gain me another 1 tenth or so in the 1/4th. the truth is all the people i've killed keep spraying more juce and i need all the help i can get.
i know hes shifting higher than 6000 but obvisously with a NA car you need a big cam to spin the motor high & good heads to make big power. i know he was running 17" in the front and i think et streets in the rear. still very impressive...to me anyways.
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From: Holly Springs NC
Originally Posted by 1ScrudeDude
I took the Poor Mans Forced Induction route.
Heads/Cam with N20 going in. Cheaper. I like blowers, but don't have the $$ for major changes. A 100 shot on top of 413/383 should be fun.
I LOVE the sound of the H/C car on an M6, yet get my "boost" whenever I want to push the button
Lope gives me a hard on
Heads/Cam with N20 going in. Cheaper. I like blowers, but don't have the $$ for major changes. A 100 shot on top of 413/383 should be fun.
I LOVE the sound of the H/C car on an M6, yet get my "boost" whenever I want to push the button
Lope gives me a hard on
Plenty of H/C LS1's around here running low-flat 10's on a 150 shot, low 11's on motor. Even got one LS1 H/C trapping 123 on motor and it's an M6 so the 126 MPH debate on boost is a moot point comparing apples to oranges with a power adder on a H/C LS1 such as Nitrous when they trap 132-134 in the dead heat of summer and worst time of year to race. You won't see many boost cars doing this kinda of thing in the heat without heat soaking the motor, but you can hot lap a H/C LS1 with spray whereas you'd end up parking a blower car after 1-2 runs.
Boost makes nice dyno #'s but that's about it. Evident with the Cobra. Best I've seen out of a 600+ Cobra on track is what a N/A HC LS1 is running........11.1 I haven't seen many earth shattering track times with blown LS1's to impress me to say a blower is better than a H/C power adder LS1. It's alot of money, you can pretty much have more fun for less money with an all motor LS1 with nitrous and less maintenance to worry about
Last edited by racer88; Aug 28, 2005 at 10:41 AM.
Cobras have IRS and they're heavy that's why they have a hard time putting up good numbers, that's why they are "roll" cars. but who fucken cares about fords..
the comparison here is h/c versus fi not h/c nitrous vs blowers.
nitrous is considered forced induction fyi.
tell those fast h/c cams to come up here in orlando, didn't know there were so many of them of them down in west palm. Are these full weight cars?
Oh fwiw I'd love to show you how heat soaked my blower car gets after just two runs. You can put your hand on my aftercooler and it'll be nice n cool to the touch. Please know what you're talking about.
Oh yea all of the fastest and quicketst ls1's are guess what Forced Induction not nitrous and definitely not heads/cam.
you ain't fast without your bottle baby. I like my power all the time.
the comparison here is h/c versus fi not h/c nitrous vs blowers.
nitrous is considered forced induction fyi.
tell those fast h/c cams to come up here in orlando, didn't know there were so many of them of them down in west palm. Are these full weight cars?
Oh fwiw I'd love to show you how heat soaked my blower car gets after just two runs. You can put your hand on my aftercooler and it'll be nice n cool to the touch. Please know what you're talking about.
Oh yea all of the fastest and quicketst ls1's are guess what Forced Induction not nitrous and definitely not heads/cam.
you ain't fast without your bottle baby. I like my power all the time.
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I didn't think nitrous was forced induction. It's a power adder, but not forced induction. Or is that wrong.....?
I guess you can say it isn't fast without the bottle, if you consider low 11's to be slow.
I'll take a low-mid 11 second street car that turns into low 10's at the flip of a switch and comes with badass lope anyday. Well, eventually........
I guess you can say it isn't fast without the bottle, if you consider low 11's to be slow.
I'll take a low-mid 11 second street car that turns into low 10's at the flip of a switch and comes with badass lope anyday. Well, eventually........
Originally Posted by Got Me SOM
nitrous is considered forced induction fyi.
Oh fwiw I'd love to show you how heat soaked my blower car gets after just two runs. You can put your hand on my aftercooler and it'll be nice n cool to the touch. Please know what you're talking about.
Oh yea all of the fastest and quicketst ls1's are guess what Forced Induction not nitrous and definitely not heads/cam.
you ain't fast without your bottle baby. I like my power all the time.
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Verdad Gallardo im on both sides here. i loved my 455rwhp H/C setup, it was damn fast but to get in to the 10s in full street trim or atleast have the MPH to get 10s i know im going to need more more power than a "streetable" maxed out H/C is capable of. Thats why im going turbos.
from what ive seen on here, and maybe im wrong but this is just what i see....FI power vs NA power...NA wins handsdown. the only problem is you can only make so much with NA but with FI you can make WAY more power. id rather have 460rwhp NA than 460 FI anyday. the problem is, 460 NA is close to being maxed out, unless you get unstreeable (IMO) 460 for FI is just the begining. if I had to stay with the stock bottom end...H/C would be my choice no doubt. im just not a nitrous guy. i love romping on the gas way to much. id go through 2 bottles per night and that would get too expensive.
from what ive seen on here, and maybe im wrong but this is just what i see....FI power vs NA power...NA wins handsdown. the only problem is you can only make so much with NA but with FI you can make WAY more power. id rather have 460rwhp NA than 460 FI anyday. the problem is, 460 NA is close to being maxed out, unless you get unstreeable (IMO) 460 for FI is just the begining. if I had to stay with the stock bottom end...H/C would be my choice no doubt. im just not a nitrous guy. i love romping on the gas way to much. id go through 2 bottles per night and that would get too expensive.
I'd like to throw my own situation into the debate here.......I'm looking to buy a built LS1 and am considering blower/turbo vs NA, BUT specifically strokers. What type of maintainence (and how much more of it) would I be getting myself into with a fully-built boost car vs lets say a 408 stroker?
Secondly, say you have a 500rwhp blower car vs a 500rwhp 408 car, both behind 6 speeds, lined up on the street.......assuming equal drivers, tires, traction (or lack thereof) etc, which would pull of the better "street" 1/4 mi run?
Secondly, say you have a 500rwhp blower car vs a 500rwhp 408 car, both behind 6 speeds, lined up on the street.......assuming equal drivers, tires, traction (or lack thereof) etc, which would pull of the better "street" 1/4 mi run?
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From: Holly Springs NC
Originally Posted by Got Me SOM
tell those fast h/c cams to come up here in orlando, didn't know there were so many of them of them down in west palm. Are these full weight cars?
Last car I had was a 414 inch 12:1 solid roller (276 @ 050, .670 lift), 1.550 triple springs, Stage III heads, GMPP intake, DFI, manual steering, brakes, 3180lbs raceweight, pretty much undriveable on the street and loud as hell even with mufflers. 10.14 @ 135 in 200' DA weather - shifting at 7400rpm. It still had more in it, if it didnt use a quart of oil in 4 passes (rings) I may have spent more time on it and I probably could have got in the 9s n/a.
This car, 347cid, '01 z06 cam, stock pushrods/rockers, stock valves (98 heads still) with '02 z06 springs, mild CNC port, stock connecting rods w/arp bolts, off the shelf replacement forged pistons, LS6 intake, power steering, power brakes - idles/drives like a stock car. Shift at 6600rpm. 9.90 @ 136 on a 1700' DA day @ 3300lbs. Also made 11 passes at NvsS with the car in 95+ degree weather and the only problem I had was the Y-pipe blew off the exhaust every 3 passes - still managed to win the bracket race though. Took the car home after NvsS, washed it, swapped wheels and tires, bolted the hooker muffler on and put 150 miles on it just cruising it around the next day with the T-tops off - cant beat that IMO.
Two extreme examples but I have had other more mild head/cam cars and blower LS1 cars also and its really hard to beat an FI car for a serious street/strip car IMO. Although for most a 425-450rhp head cam + nitrous is a better bet and way more forgiving for most then fooling with a blower/turbo but neither is cheap. I dont think either one is 'better' or cheaper but you can slowly work your way up with a cam, then heads, then intake, then headers etc, FI takes a big chunk of cash up front.. My advice, build one of each
This car, 347cid, '01 z06 cam, stock pushrods/rockers, stock valves (98 heads still) with '02 z06 springs, mild CNC port, stock connecting rods w/arp bolts, off the shelf replacement forged pistons, LS6 intake, power steering, power brakes - idles/drives like a stock car. Shift at 6600rpm. 9.90 @ 136 on a 1700' DA day @ 3300lbs. Also made 11 passes at NvsS with the car in 95+ degree weather and the only problem I had was the Y-pipe blew off the exhaust every 3 passes - still managed to win the bracket race though. Took the car home after NvsS, washed it, swapped wheels and tires, bolted the hooker muffler on and put 150 miles on it just cruising it around the next day with the T-tops off - cant beat that IMO.
Two extreme examples but I have had other more mild head/cam cars and blower LS1 cars also and its really hard to beat an FI car for a serious street/strip car IMO. Although for most a 425-450rhp head cam + nitrous is a better bet and way more forgiving for most then fooling with a blower/turbo but neither is cheap. I dont think either one is 'better' or cheaper but you can slowly work your way up with a cam, then heads, then intake, then headers etc, FI takes a big chunk of cash up front.. My advice, build one of each
thanks for the info KP. do you have any dyno numbers for the setups...if i remember right you did a comparison.
nevermind i got it
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-induction/344874-414-7500rpm-solid-roller-vs-d1sc-stock-motor-dyno.html
nevermind i got it
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-induction/344874-414-7500rpm-solid-roller-vs-d1sc-stock-motor-dyno.html
Last edited by 30th t/a; Aug 29, 2005 at 06:44 PM.
Originally Posted by 30th t/a
thanks for the info KP. do you have any dyno numbers for the setups...if i remember right you did a comparison.
I could have ran 9.80s or so in good weather with a little playing with the n/a car I'm sure To be honest it was very high maintainance and aside from the way it sounded at idle it was very little fun, especially around here.
I like a big cammed NA car as much as the rest but this car is fancy subdivision friendly. It doesnt set off my neighbors car alarm or my garage smoke alarms when I start it, or make the neighborhood children (and old folks) cry. Even gets fairly decent gas mileage
Originally Posted by kp
To be honest it was very high maintainance and aside from the way it sounded at idle it was very little fun, especially around here.
I like a big cammed NA car as much as the rest but this car is fancy subdivision friendly. It doesnt set off my neighbors car alarm or my garage smoke alarms when I start it, or make the neighborhood children (and old folks) cry. Even gets fairly decent gas mileage
I like a big cammed NA car as much as the rest but this car is fancy subdivision friendly. It doesnt set off my neighbors car alarm or my garage smoke alarms when I start it, or make the neighborhood children (and old folks) cry. Even gets fairly decent gas mileage
he he he... That's maturity talking there boys!
I love a big cam sound but in the real world driveablitly of daily driver's it just wont do for me either. 
If you are smart you can always do the head and cam...build your rear and trans..get 6.0 heads to start lowering that compression.. then later on down the road you can upgrade to a FI set up.. and all you'll need is a shortblock, injectors, fuel pump, and a tune.. everything else will already basically be set up and ready for you.. and if you pick the right set up.. you can easily hit 600+..
Unlike a lot of people.. put a FI set up on their stock LS1's.. and they pretty much run the same times at the track cuz they can't hook haha.. and if they throw slicks on they will blow their rear, driveshaft, or trans.. AND they blew all of their money and have no money for a rearend or trans anyways! So for a long time they are stuck with a FI that can't hook for **** and is definately killing the **** out of the trans and rear..
Smarter to start off with H&C and work your way towards forced induction later on down the road!
Unlike a lot of people.. put a FI set up on their stock LS1's.. and they pretty much run the same times at the track cuz they can't hook haha.. and if they throw slicks on they will blow their rear, driveshaft, or trans.. AND they blew all of their money and have no money for a rearend or trans anyways! So for a long time they are stuck with a FI that can't hook for **** and is definately killing the **** out of the trans and rear..
Smarter to start off with H&C and work your way towards forced induction later on down the road!
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From: Indiana
Originally Posted by 30th t/a
with all the cars on here, isnt there anybody with a 346 with a top of the line H/C/lsx90mm setup that would line'em up with a 346 8psi supercharged car? thats a race i never saw and im still waiting to see.
By buddy on a 01 z06 heads/cam and i put about 3 1/2 cars on him from a first gear roll...then he added a fast intake/TB and we were dead even...I Had a little stonger 1st gear then dead even....
Although I have a 01 ws6 procharged at 6-8lbs slips w/ 6 rib belt and full exhaust...no weight reductions on either car...
