NOS or Supercharger?
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NOS or Supercharger? I was wondering which I should go with. The constant power of a blower or the "when I need speed" of a button. I have heard LS1s do not like to be blown unless they have alot of work done to the stock motor. Someone told me they have a problem of blowing head gaskets alot. NOS is cheap power but a supercharger is much cooler then a button. I would just like to know everyones opinion on the matter.
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Re: NOS or Supercharger? hmm thats a good question.. i'v bin wanting a super charger to.. but if NOS is easier on the motor then thats more worth it? won't u blow a gasket if u had NOS to?? i personaly have never liked NOS.. i don't like the idea of blowing the motor. Thats why i was leaning toward the supercharger instead. But lets hope some other ppl reply.
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Re: NOS or Supercharger? NOS or a centrifugal supercharger (ATI, etc) can both 'blow' head gaskets. It comes down to several variables, obviously cylinder pressure being the main contender. Also, without getting too technical, the chemicals being burned have some to do with it also.
But, have you also thought about the contant refilling/expense of that empty Nitrous bottle all the time? Nitrous has a cheaper 'up front' cost, is a LOT lighter, easier to install, but a properly thought out ATI intercooled set-up will produce more HP per cube. Thats my 0.02c worth,
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But, have you also thought about the contant refilling/expense of that empty Nitrous bottle all the time? Nitrous has a cheaper 'up front' cost, is a LOT lighter, easier to install, but a properly thought out ATI intercooled set-up will produce more HP per cube. Thats my 0.02c worth,
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Re: NOS or Supercharger? "Will Race 4 Food" carries a point, and your first post the other.
If you can afford FI, and are divided decision-wise, that's the answer to selecting FI.
If you can't really afford it, you might go Nitrous, but it's still a pay now or pay later kinda thing. If you buy enough Nitrous to stay ready, you will quickly come up to the cost of the blower in no time.
But, to many folk's chagrin, I've always contended Nitrous is a "cheater" kind of power.
My goal is actually to get where I can beat street guys with Nitrous without running it myself. To me, Nitrous is what you add when you can't do anything else, when you are in the "big times" (professional racing). Other-wise, to me, it's smoke and mirrors. <img border="0" alt="[barf]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_barf.gif" />
It's the "easy" way out... like a weight-lifter on steroids.
If you can afford FI, and are divided decision-wise, that's the answer to selecting FI.
If you can't really afford it, you might go Nitrous, but it's still a pay now or pay later kinda thing. If you buy enough Nitrous to stay ready, you will quickly come up to the cost of the blower in no time.
But, to many folk's chagrin, I've always contended Nitrous is a "cheater" kind of power.
My goal is actually to get where I can beat street guys with Nitrous without running it myself. To me, Nitrous is what you add when you can't do anything else, when you are in the "big times" (professional racing). Other-wise, to me, it's smoke and mirrors. <img border="0" alt="[barf]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_barf.gif" />
It's the "easy" way out... like a weight-lifter on steroids.
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Re: NOS or Supercharger? What about the engine, if I bought a supercharger system, how long would it take before I do damage to my motor, I now some guys with LT1s that only had the superchargers on for a year and have already begun to blow oil, Will the LS1 hold up alot longer before i have to do a rebuild or are there things i can do to prevent that from ever being the case? How bad does a S\C affect compression, and should I buy aftermarket head gaskets before I just bolt up a system?
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Re: NOS or Supercharger? Let's approach your questions from a better perspective (you'll get more helpful answers that way):
What are your horsepower and torque goals?
How much money are you willing to spend?
Answers to your questions depend a lot on your answers to my two questions. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
What are your horsepower and torque goals?
How much money are you willing to spend?
Answers to your questions depend a lot on your answers to my two questions. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: NOS or Supercharger? Everything is fair in "love, war and streetracing"
even NAWS.
If my engine could take it id put a shot on top of my Turbo, but the engine can barly handle the T-76
even NAWS.
If my engine could take it id put a shot on top of my Turbo, but the engine can barly handle the T-76
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Re: NOS or Supercharger? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RavenousT\A:
<strong>What about the engine, if I bought a supercharger system, how long would it take before I do damage to my motor, I now some guys with LT1s that only had the superchargers on for a year and have already begun to blow oil, Will the LS1 hold up alot longer before i have to do a rebuild or are there things i can do to prevent that from ever being the case? How bad does a S\C affect compression, and should I buy aftermarket head gaskets before I just bolt up a system?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">RavenousT/A
If the guys you know of having ring control problems, they are getting 'blow-by' past the compression ring. The top (first) ring does the compression control on the upward power stroke on an otto type 4 cycle engine, the second ring is not a compression ring, but does control oil. They possibly need gas ports with appropriate rings and side clearances, or dykes rings. What is their dynamic (not static) compression plus what is that max boost? LS1 cylinder sealing, is like any other engine, albeit not reagrding the head studs (lack of).
Cheers. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
<strong>What about the engine, if I bought a supercharger system, how long would it take before I do damage to my motor, I now some guys with LT1s that only had the superchargers on for a year and have already begun to blow oil, Will the LS1 hold up alot longer before i have to do a rebuild or are there things i can do to prevent that from ever being the case? How bad does a S\C affect compression, and should I buy aftermarket head gaskets before I just bolt up a system?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">RavenousT/A
If the guys you know of having ring control problems, they are getting 'blow-by' past the compression ring. The top (first) ring does the compression control on the upward power stroke on an otto type 4 cycle engine, the second ring is not a compression ring, but does control oil. They possibly need gas ports with appropriate rings and side clearances, or dykes rings. What is their dynamic (not static) compression plus what is that max boost? LS1 cylinder sealing, is like any other engine, albeit not reagrding the head studs (lack of).
Cheers. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: NOS or Supercharger? Well I would like over 400hp or more, I know NOS can do it for the short burst, but I like the knowledge of constant power. I willing to blow somewhere up to $5grand tahts including S\C. What should I do to prepare my motor for it? I am looking for Highway performance with the ability to corner well. I am trying to build a well rounded sports car. Id like to become a viper and spaghetti eater.
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Re: NOS or Supercharger? You don't need to do anything to the motor to get 400 RWHP. Just get the base ATI kit, your boost and fuel pressure gauges and "poof", you will be in business... and in your price range. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
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Re: NOS or Supercharger? 5 bills will only get you a little suck, not hardly blown.
You might be able to pick up ati's base kit for that much, but thats just the kit not including all the stuff your gonna need ot go along.
My conversion into the FI world cost me over 6k and its climing soon to be 8K when i get my heads back together (just a weeping head gasket).
The used Turbo Kit costed only 2800 with about 500 in missing parts. Things add up fast.
And im just starting.
if your only wanting 400 hoarsies you might want to go with heads cam and bolt ons. that will get you there and you could throw some nos on top of that. FI can be a real pain sometimes, lot of things can go wrong, you just have to be real careful.
You might be able to pick up ati's base kit for that much, but thats just the kit not including all the stuff your gonna need ot go along.
My conversion into the FI world cost me over 6k and its climing soon to be 8K when i get my heads back together (just a weeping head gasket).
The used Turbo Kit costed only 2800 with about 500 in missing parts. Things add up fast.
And im just starting.
if your only wanting 400 hoarsies you might want to go with heads cam and bolt ons. that will get you there and you could throw some nos on top of that. FI can be a real pain sometimes, lot of things can go wrong, you just have to be real careful.
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Re: NOS or Supercharger? If I knew then what I know now I'd have gone with spray. I'm having tuning issues right now. Ferchrissakes, I can't even retard the timing myself on this car. Mail order tuning sucks and it will cost me over 800 to get a real time dyno tune. I'm probably jsut going to get LS1 edit, probably the cheapest and best way out.
This is my first blower. I had a 5.0 with spray in the past.
There isn't much tuning involved with spray with today's kits. The only thing that sucks is refilling the bottle... and don't get greedy with those jets.
This is my first blower. I had a 5.0 with spray in the past.
There isn't much tuning involved with spray with today's kits. The only thing that sucks is refilling the bottle... and don't get greedy with those jets.
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Re: NOS or Supercharger? If cornering ability has equal importance to you then a Nitrous kit is probably the better choice. Blowers and all the extra stuff that goes with them adds alot of weight, and all of this weight is right on the nose of a car that is already nose heavy .This doesn't help handling at all. I do some road course stuff with my car, so that's why I have a nitrous kit.
It's kind of funny that it's only the blower/turbo guys that think of nitrous as cheating, as if there actually was such a thing. I guess I do understand that kind of thinking though. I'd probably feel the same way if I spent $6000 on a turbo/blower setup and was beaten by a guy with an $800 nitrous setup. Filling my bottle isn't really such a pain since it usually lasts me 6 weeks or more, up to 2 months in the winter time . My 1st 2-3 bottles lasted me about 1/2 a day !
On a side note , each of the 2 times I've taken my car in for warranty repair, I just removed the nitrous setup . Try that with a blower !
It's kind of funny that it's only the blower/turbo guys that think of nitrous as cheating, as if there actually was such a thing. I guess I do understand that kind of thinking though. I'd probably feel the same way if I spent $6000 on a turbo/blower setup and was beaten by a guy with an $800 nitrous setup. Filling my bottle isn't really such a pain since it usually lasts me 6 weeks or more, up to 2 months in the winter time . My 1st 2-3 bottles lasted me about 1/2 a day !
On a side note , each of the 2 times I've taken my car in for warranty repair, I just removed the nitrous setup . Try that with a blower !
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Re: NOS or Supercharger? I am not going to try to turn you against nitrous but it is aggrevating! The power it makes is awesome BUT it isn't always there when ya need it(those damn bottles are aggrevating to keep filled). In my opinion the COOLER of the choice is nitrous b/c you can use it whenever you want. It is fun to have nitrous(I don't have it on my car, but I have driven cars with it) and I beleive I would rather have a supercharger. Thats just my opinion. And those bottles do get expensive(4 bucks for every lbs.) and if you don't use it but on the weekend you will use a bottle a week(unless you never use it or you are nitrous feign)
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Re: NOS or Supercharger? Well my engine,transmission,and rearend are bone stock ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
So far I have put 6 10 pound bottles thru the motor <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> no problems as of yet ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
So far I have put 6 10 pound bottles thru the motor <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> no problems as of yet ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />