ARE 409
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ARE 409 Will this ARE 409 motor be up to the abuse of the CAS stage II at 8-12 psi? Does this setup leave enough ring land on the piston with the 6.125 rod?
I have definately decided on ARE for my block but now I am trying to decide what cid. I know it doesn't take huge cubes to make huge power in FI but they do make it easier and still use pump gas.
Pros and cons are welcomed.
Thanks,
Jason
I have definately decided on ARE for my block but now I am trying to decide what cid. I know it doesn't take huge cubes to make huge power in FI but they do make it easier and still use pump gas.
Pros and cons are welcomed.
Thanks,
Jason
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Re: ARE 409 If that motor is not up for the abuse I don't know what is. I like the big cubes for the torque like a Viper has. One of the unique things about the Viper is that its really just a big cube truck motor (torqey). Its red line is 5500 with fat power all through the power band. I drove one of those S2000 Hondas that my neighbor has (9000 red line), I can't believe people would want their power up that high (zero low end).
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Re: ARE 409 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by NeeleymanZ28:
<strong> Will this ARE 409 motor be up to the abuse of the CAS stage II at 8-12 psi? Does this setup leave enough ring land on the piston with the 6.125 rod?
I have definately decided on ARE for my block but now I am trying to decide what cid. I know it doesn't take huge cubes to make huge power in FI but they do make it easier and still use pump gas.
Pros and cons are welcomed.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Jason,
If you go with the ARE 409, I would let ARE know your intended application of the motor so they can set the motor up specifically for it's life as a turbo application. Aside from that, it should hold up very well with 8-12 psi.
<strong> Will this ARE 409 motor be up to the abuse of the CAS stage II at 8-12 psi? Does this setup leave enough ring land on the piston with the 6.125 rod?
I have definately decided on ARE for my block but now I am trying to decide what cid. I know it doesn't take huge cubes to make huge power in FI but they do make it easier and still use pump gas.
Pros and cons are welcomed.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Jason,
If you go with the ARE 409, I would let ARE know your intended application of the motor so they can set the motor up specifically for it's life as a turbo application. Aside from that, it should hold up very well with 8-12 psi.
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Re: ARE 409 Tony,
I had planned on adding the $300 for stage III heads, the $150 for custom pistons, $275 for head studs and probably go ahead and get the thing o ringed.
Has anyone used this application with a turbo tech or ls1 MS kit? Jot down some feedback/thoughts if you have.
Any other suggestions for cid on this setup?
Jason
I had planned on adding the $300 for stage III heads, the $150 for custom pistons, $275 for head studs and probably go ahead and get the thing o ringed.
Has anyone used this application with a turbo tech or ls1 MS kit? Jot down some feedback/thoughts if you have.
Any other suggestions for cid on this setup?
Jason
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Re: ARE 409 I don't believe anyone has built a set up like this yet.
From what you're talking about, you're building a BADASS 409ci NA motor that you're going to put under boost. I would think that if you built the motor with a NA cam you'd get like ~480-490hp easy.
I think with the LS1 Motorsports kit (with T76), some 80+lb/per minute injectors, a MEAN fuel system (as in a sumped tank w/a BIG *** external pump, larger lines, new reguator, and rails), and FAST you could possibly be looking to make upwards of like 850+rwhp.
That's A LOT of power that will take a lot of tuning and work on the rest of the car to make it take it. I bet on the street and 93 octane you'd still be lookin at close to 700rwhp.
Doesn't sound very cheap to me (that may not be a problem for you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> ); however, it would make an EXCELENT set up in my opinion.
- Matt <img border="0" alt="[shoot]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" />
From what you're talking about, you're building a BADASS 409ci NA motor that you're going to put under boost. I would think that if you built the motor with a NA cam you'd get like ~480-490hp easy.
I think with the LS1 Motorsports kit (with T76), some 80+lb/per minute injectors, a MEAN fuel system (as in a sumped tank w/a BIG *** external pump, larger lines, new reguator, and rails), and FAST you could possibly be looking to make upwards of like 850+rwhp.
That's A LOT of power that will take a lot of tuning and work on the rest of the car to make it take it. I bet on the street and 93 octane you'd still be lookin at close to 700rwhp.
Doesn't sound very cheap to me (that may not be a problem for you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> ); however, it would make an EXCELENT set up in my opinion.
- Matt <img border="0" alt="[shoot]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" />
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Re: ARE 409 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Magnus357:
<strong> I don't believe anyone has built a set up like this yet.
From what you're talking about, you're building a BADASS 409ci NA motor that you're going to put under boost. I would think that if you built the motor with a NA cam you'd get like ~480-490hp easy.
I think with the LS1 Motorsports kit (with T76), some 80+lb/per minute injectors, a MEAN fuel system (as in a sumped tank w/a BIG *** external pump, larger lines, new reguator, and rails), and FAST you could possibly be looking to make upwards of like 850+rwhp.
That's A LOT of power that will take a lot of tuning and work on the rest of the car to make it take it. I bet on the street and 93 octane you'd still be lookin at close to 700rwhp.
Doesn't sound very cheap to me (that may not be a problem for you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> ); however, it would make an EXCELENT set up in my opinion.
- Matt <img border="0" alt="[shoot]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Does my iron 408 count. It's low compression for boost with low low low timeing, rich and with stock heads/cam for now. and it's pretty weak all motor. I ran a 13.00 at 106.99 with lid and slp maf with engine just over 3000 miles have to shift at 5500rpm also. and if you can't make 850rwhp on 93 octane on a 6.6 liter motor then you're doing something wrong.
<strong> I don't believe anyone has built a set up like this yet.
From what you're talking about, you're building a BADASS 409ci NA motor that you're going to put under boost. I would think that if you built the motor with a NA cam you'd get like ~480-490hp easy.
I think with the LS1 Motorsports kit (with T76), some 80+lb/per minute injectors, a MEAN fuel system (as in a sumped tank w/a BIG *** external pump, larger lines, new reguator, and rails), and FAST you could possibly be looking to make upwards of like 850+rwhp.
That's A LOT of power that will take a lot of tuning and work on the rest of the car to make it take it. I bet on the street and 93 octane you'd still be lookin at close to 700rwhp.
Doesn't sound very cheap to me (that may not be a problem for you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> ); however, it would make an EXCELENT set up in my opinion.
- Matt <img border="0" alt="[shoot]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Does my iron 408 count. It's low compression for boost with low low low timeing, rich and with stock heads/cam for now. and it's pretty weak all motor. I ran a 13.00 at 106.99 with lid and slp maf with engine just over 3000 miles have to shift at 5500rpm also. and if you can't make 850rwhp on 93 octane on a 6.6 liter motor then you're doing something wrong.
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Re: ARE 409 AlienDroid,
Is you're 408ci already turboed? If so, I'm sorry I didn't include your name.
I agree that with the right set up with a big cube, H/C, low compression, and a MONSTER fuel system (very important) that 850rwhp could very well be possible on 93 octane. I was being conservative on my estiamtes.
I really think that someone could build a set up like this with a bigger turbo (T76 or T88) and make 1000+rwhp on race gas. If fact, I bet the LS1 Motorsports shop car is going to make HUGE power when they are finished.
When I graduate, I certainly hope I can build an engine like this one day.
- Matt <img border="0" alt="[shoot]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" />
EDIT: What I mean by the 480-490rwhp NA number is with an engine similar to the one talked about above with a cam, compression ratio, and tune for NA application. I understand that an engine built for turbo applications running NA wont make huge power; however, when you get into the 12+lbs of boost you'll make all the power in the world.
Is you're 408ci already turboed? If so, I'm sorry I didn't include your name.
I agree that with the right set up with a big cube, H/C, low compression, and a MONSTER fuel system (very important) that 850rwhp could very well be possible on 93 octane. I was being conservative on my estiamtes.
I really think that someone could build a set up like this with a bigger turbo (T76 or T88) and make 1000+rwhp on race gas. If fact, I bet the LS1 Motorsports shop car is going to make HUGE power when they are finished.
When I graduate, I certainly hope I can build an engine like this one day.
- Matt <img border="0" alt="[shoot]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" />
EDIT: What I mean by the 480-490rwhp NA number is with an engine similar to the one talked about above with a cam, compression ratio, and tune for NA application. I understand that an engine built for turbo applications running NA wont make huge power; however, when you get into the 12+lbs of boost you'll make all the power in the world.
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im guessign iron block like the last one but i could be wrong.
my engine is stock ci but low compression and all the goods inside.. im not looking to break any records, just a few hearts as my daily driver <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
im guessign iron block like the last one but i could be wrong.
my engine is stock ci but low compression and all the goods inside.. im not looking to break any records, just a few hearts as my daily driver <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: ARE 409 IMHO is you can make 1000rwhp on nitrous you can make 1300rwhp+ on boost with the same engine strength on race gas. but my big fat pompous mouth gets me in trouble all the time so don't take my word for that.
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Re: ARE 409 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Magnus357:
<strong> AlienDroid,
Is you're 408ci already turboed? If so, I'm sorry I didn't include your name.
I agree that with the right set up with a big cube, H/C, low compression, and a MONSTER fuel system (very important) that 850rwhp could very well be possible on 93 octane. I was being conservative on my estiamtes.
I really think that someone could build a set up like this with a bigger turbo (T76 or T88) and make 1000+rwhp on race gas. If fact, I bet the LS1 Motorsports shop car is going to make HUGE power when they are finished.
When I graduate, I certainly hope I can build an engine like this one day.
- Matt <img border="0" alt="[shoot]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" />
EDIT: What I mean by the 480-490rwhp NA number is with an engine similar to the one talked about above with a cam, compression ratio, and tune for NA application. I understand that an engine built for turbo applications running NA wont make huge power; however, when you get into the 12+lbs of boost you'll make all the power in the world. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">no prob man, turbo goes on in 2 or 3 weeks.
depends on if we can get this damn honda civic to start, it's my roomates 2nd car and I can borrow it if it runs, but I think it's going to break down on me. <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />
<small>[ January 31, 2003, 10:38 PM: Message edited by: AlienDroid ]</small>
<strong> AlienDroid,
Is you're 408ci already turboed? If so, I'm sorry I didn't include your name.
I agree that with the right set up with a big cube, H/C, low compression, and a MONSTER fuel system (very important) that 850rwhp could very well be possible on 93 octane. I was being conservative on my estiamtes.
I really think that someone could build a set up like this with a bigger turbo (T76 or T88) and make 1000+rwhp on race gas. If fact, I bet the LS1 Motorsports shop car is going to make HUGE power when they are finished.
When I graduate, I certainly hope I can build an engine like this one day.
- Matt <img border="0" alt="[shoot]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" />
EDIT: What I mean by the 480-490rwhp NA number is with an engine similar to the one talked about above with a cam, compression ratio, and tune for NA application. I understand that an engine built for turbo applications running NA wont make huge power; however, when you get into the 12+lbs of boost you'll make all the power in the world. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">no prob man, turbo goes on in 2 or 3 weeks.
depends on if we can get this damn honda civic to start, it's my roomates 2nd car and I can borrow it if it runs, but I think it's going to break down on me. <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />
<small>[ January 31, 2003, 10:38 PM: Message edited by: AlienDroid ]</small>