Copying the Incon TT kit
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Originally Posted by peter@aps
Is there really much demand for cast turbo manifolds to suit the F body?
Peter
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Originally Posted by peter@aps
Is there really much demand for cast turbo manifolds to suit the F body?
Peter
Peter
I'd go right to a T3 flange....
I would also do a 4-1 cast collector style manifold...
Othewise why bother?
Not a LS1 but same concept as far as a cast 4-1... Actually a twin scroll...
http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/us...haust_man1.jpg
Then again you guys know how to do things right...you made that...
Originally Posted by XJGPN
It is very price dependant, but absolutely. If you could duplicate the Incon setup (although, larger turbos than were available on the incon would be a huge selling point) for less than $6,500, you would be in good shape... with sales going up exponentially as prices went down towards $4,500. As prices start going up and beyond $8K your sales would be few and far between because the F-bodies aren't really worth all that much, so it would be a bit foolish to put a $9K turbo kit on a $13K car. There is a huge market for a quality F-body turbo kit... it is just a market without very deep pockets.
Originally Posted by XJGPN
I think your best bet would be if you could just sell the manifolds for $1,500. Lots of DIY'ers here that would jump at the opportunity.
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Originally Posted by peter@aps
If there was sufficient interest in cast turbo manifolds for the F body then APS could produce these manifolds for certain. We have loads of experience with producing tooling for cast turbo exhaust manifolds and have CNC machines for very accurate machining. A pair of cast ductile iron turbo manifolds would be approx $1390 US, if there's sufficient interest in cast manifolds for the F body then this is a project that APS would consider seriously.
Peter
Then figure out what your minimum production #'s would be... Have people pre-pay a refundable (should they not be produced) deposit on the manifolds. Once you have enough confirmed orders make them....
I would also leave it dimpled but not drilled by default (optional) for a external wastegate mount..
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Originally Posted by peter@aps
Is there really much demand for cast turbo manifolds to suit the F body?
Peter
Peter
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From: Bardonia, NY
Originally Posted by peter@aps
If there was sufficient interest in cast turbo manifolds for the F body then APS could produce these manifolds for certain. We have loads of experience with producing tooling for cast turbo exhaust manifolds and have CNC machines for very accurate machining. A pair of cast ductile iron turbo manifolds would be approx $1390 US, if there's sufficient interest in cast manifolds for the F body then this is a project that APS would consider seriously.
Originally Posted by peter@aps
Is there really much demand for cast turbo manifolds to suit the F body?
Peter
Peter
if you could find that and start suppling the CHRA's for the turbo youd be there.
i doubt anyone is using that mold so you could probably get it for a good price and make them, and supply the turbos, so little investment there and be able to sell them cheaply.
if that doesnt pan out then yes i think making a mold to do a version like the old incon but with T3 flanges so the turbos are cheaper, and just sell the manafolds and let the user finish every thing else would sell well as well.
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Originally Posted by peter@aps
If there was sufficient interest in cast turbo manifolds for the F body then APS could produce these manifolds for certain. We have loads of experience with producing tooling for cast turbo exhaust manifolds and have CNC machines for very accurate machining. A pair of cast ductile iron turbo manifolds would be approx $1390 US, if there's sufficient interest in cast manifolds for the F body then this is a project that APS would consider seriously.
Peter
Peter
That might even create a market for board sponsors to become distributors, sell the manifolds with the rest of the pieces to form a kit. Just and idea.
I really don't understand why there is negative feedback on Incon kits coming from people who never have even owned one. 650+ Rwhp is more than enough for most and has been proven to low 10, high 9 sec potential.
From a business standpoint, I don't agree there is a 'killing' to be made, the market isn't that big. Since manifolds would only cost less than 25% of a completed setup you might have a shot at making a profit if they are sold seperate. I'm sure many dreamers would buy...
I agree with WARPNOVA and smokin, reproduction of the original manifolds would be welcomed and might be a profitable business venture.
As far as larger turbos go, no one has determined if larger turbos will fit in the 'incon' locations, have they?
I agree with WARPNOVA and smokin, reproduction of the original manifolds would be welcomed and might be a profitable business venture.
As far as larger turbos go, no one has determined if larger turbos will fit in the 'incon' locations, have they?
Without the rest of the parts, it may be a very hard project to complete. I am one of the "dreamers" but I actually have a set of manifolds and dump tubes to start a buildup. $1400 for the manifolds is a reasonable price, if they include the dump tubes.
I don't know if any T3 T4 turbos will fit in the incon location, not to mention how hard it may be to get air to and from the turbos without having the nice custom silicone that is used with the incon kits.
Ryan
I don't know if any T3 T4 turbos will fit in the incon location, not to mention how hard it may be to get air to and from the turbos without having the nice custom silicone that is used with the incon kits.
Ryan
There is no reason for it to be real expensive to bring back the "Incon" F-body kit. Most of all the engineering is already done, basically all you have to do it "copy" the design.
The market for a LS1 turbo kit is there but not one company markets them correctly. (maybe STS) If you don't advertise the kits in magazines and tv car shows, how else do you really expect to sell the kits, just by word of mouth on the internet?
If it were marketed right, I'd bet you would sell more 500-600RWHP street kits than 800-900RWHP race kits hands down. Not everyone wants a full out drag car set up. What good is 800-900RWHP in a street car with street tires, you'll never get traction.
Copy the Incon kit, market them correctly, make a boat load of $$$ over the next 5 years...
Just my .02
The market for a LS1 turbo kit is there but not one company markets them correctly. (maybe STS) If you don't advertise the kits in magazines and tv car shows, how else do you really expect to sell the kits, just by word of mouth on the internet?
If it were marketed right, I'd bet you would sell more 500-600RWHP street kits than 800-900RWHP race kits hands down. Not everyone wants a full out drag car set up. What good is 800-900RWHP in a street car with street tires, you'll never get traction.
Copy the Incon kit, market them correctly, make a boat load of $$$ over the next 5 years...
Just my .02
Originally Posted by Brains
The market is there, but pre-paid deposits are out of the question.
I would definitely be cautious about sending someone my money beforehand, but sending my money to a company that employs a man that has basically stolen tons of money from our community, and then flew to another country to escape his problems is definitely out of the question. I might be interested in cast manifolds somewhere down the road though, as long as there were readily available turbos.