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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 01:58 PM
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Why hasen't someone done this, seems like it would be simple to copy all the parts from an existing kit. They're out of business so they can't do anything about it.

Do the Incon kits retain A/C?

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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 02:18 PM
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it retains everything....the manifolds would cost money to copy. I like the kit a lot but there are others that are cheaper and prolly make more power.
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 02:33 PM
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Why hasen't someone done this, seems like it would be simple to copy all the parts from an existing kit. They're out of business so they can't do anything about it.

Do the Incon kits retain A/C?
It's really just the expense of the cast manifolds. What would be ideal is if someone copied them using a T3 flange instead of the T28 flange that Incon used... but it would just take someone with the motivation to do it. There would be a market for it, but fairly limited unless you could do it affordably. Most of the comparable kits out there (APS, Turbo Technology C5) seem to go for the $8-$10K range, which is beyond what most people would want to put into their F-body. I believe both Hi-Flow and ForcedInductions.com have cast twin T3 manifolds on the books to work on, but neither has made it happen yet. I think the real way to go would be a budget kit that would use an adapter to go from the stock manifold to a T-3 flange with the turbo's located the same as they are in the incon setup. Functionally it would be ideal, and be relatively affordable. Just takes someone with the time to do it.
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 02:33 PM
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somebody is already working on coping the manafolds, but improving them, with either T3 or T4 flanges and junk.
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 02:36 PM
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Basically, the kit would be in the price of 10K++ to make a profit with US built parts.

Ryan

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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 02:39 PM
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I was thinking the same thing with custom adaptors made to allow the use of stock manifolds. Does anyone have nice pics of incon setups? If I can get an idea of where things are positioned I wouldnt mind attempting to make adaptors. Hopefully I still have access to my schools machine shop.
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 03:16 PM
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Incon manifolds are much different than stock manifolds. Im not saying you cant hang a turbo off of a modded stock one, but no one's every shoved it up there to find out if one would fit I dont think.
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 03:25 PM
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Are the new/improved manifolds going to be cast or tubular? Got a link? Very interested.
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 03:33 PM
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I thought Jose was doing a copy... he can do cast manifolds now I thought....
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dementia
I was thinking the same thing with custom adaptors made to allow the use of stock manifolds. Does anyone have nice pics of incon setups? If I can get an idea of where things are positioned I wouldnt mind attempting to make adaptors. Hopefully I still have access to my schools machine shop.
This is how Cartek's C6 Twin turbo kit works (C6 manifolds with adapters). I don't know for certain it would work on F-bodies, but from looking at the stock manifolds, it looks like it could work. I've always wanted to try it, I just don't have anywhere near the time to give it a shot.
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 03:46 PM
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Are the new/improved manifolds going to be cast or tubular? Got a link? Very interested.
Both Jose at Forcedinductions.com and Hi-Flow have stated that they were working on cast manifolds designed to use T3/T4 hybrids. Jose supposedly might have a set of Incon manifolds to help speed along the prototyping process. I don't think either kit is happening in the immediate future. But something to look for in the future.
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 04:08 PM
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I would personally prefer them to work on kits that don't require a scavenge pump. Just my 2c as a possible future turbo kit customer that is not going to run a kit with one ever again.

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Originally Posted by 02BlueFirehawk
I thought Jose was doing a copy... he can do cast manifolds now I thought....
I just talked to Jose a week or two ago. It's just going to cost to much to replicate . Jose can chime in with the details. Its not that he can't , it's just f-body people aren't going to pay the price.

With that being said I can't wait to get my kit back.

Frank
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:*( man that sucks. You guys built up my hopes then crushed it.
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 04:57 PM
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keep your fingers crossed for the Hi-Flow setup...
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 04:58 PM
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All I need is for the spring thaw to happen so a freind will pull his ride out of mothballs

I'm thinking about getting some parts from stainless headers and just making and selling headers.. I'll be making one set so why not really perfect the install and make as many duplicates as demand dictates.

4-1 double slip collector flange of buyers choice.. Actually I could also do a 4-2 twinscroll collector too.

I'll also come up with a stout brace that matches the flange to support the turbo system...

If I dont have faith in the design I wont put my name on it.. Which means no logs and no weld on collectors for turbo applications. Double slip only..

IMHO the broad temperature range the manifolds experience from cold to all out floored boosting makes a double slip the only logical choice in anything that is'nt cast. Give it some room to expand and contract then support the weight with something other than the tubes and everything is all

One primary design and just match the collector to the customer... Makes it easy to keep ppl happy...

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:*( man that sucks. You guys built up my hopes then crushed it.
There is an incon kit for sale on Ebay. Have at it!
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 08:38 PM
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what are the Incons able to produce on say a 427 or 436 engine. Even with upgraded turbos.
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 09:29 PM
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Search for posts by "onfire" he as a big cube motor plus Incon's built by LPE. Very nice.
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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Quickin
what are the Incons able to produce on say a 427 or 436 engine. Even with upgraded turbos.
Pretty much the same as on a built 346 with good heads... Your pretty much going to be limited to the 700-750 rwhp range because of the basic architecture of the kit. A bigger engine will give you a fatter torque curve, but at the end of the day, you are only going to be able to push so much air through the tiny T28 turbos.
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