View Poll Results: If you want a 750+ hp car, what is your past experience?
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How many 1000 hp dreamers have had over 500 rwhp?
12-13-2006, 10:30 AM
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Tony very nice thread topic.
I can say I have started small and worked my way up slowly. Old Chevy trucks with big stroker small blocks and 18 degree heads then onto the fox body mustang craze which I took to the 650rwhp level. That was too much. My 03 Corbra made 508rwhp on the dyno. It was a all in all bad *** ride with all the options and weight to go with it. Forget it being out in the rain with it. Forget a dead dig on the street or track, wheel hop, spin, wheel hop, something breaks. I went 12.20 @122mph on street tires nailing it in 3rd gear. I miss that car.
Now I am back into the LS1 game. I am in the process of putting my shop and shop car back together. Its the 2000 Z28 in my sig. I plan on hitting somewhere around 750rwhp with a 76mm turbo. the car is light. It should be fun. I do have goals for that car however. They do involve going towards a 1000rwhp setup with a set of twins or my 91.5mm single. I understand that at that point the car wil be nearly useless on the street. Its good advertisemnt for the shop though. If and when it does come out on the street in that form I will tune it back alot. I have no desire to kill myself.
I can say I have started small and worked my way up slowly. Old Chevy trucks with big stroker small blocks and 18 degree heads then onto the fox body mustang craze which I took to the 650rwhp level. That was too much. My 03 Corbra made 508rwhp on the dyno. It was a all in all bad *** ride with all the options and weight to go with it. Forget it being out in the rain with it. Forget a dead dig on the street or track, wheel hop, spin, wheel hop, something breaks. I went 12.20 @122mph on street tires nailing it in 3rd gear. I miss that car.
Now I am back into the LS1 game. I am in the process of putting my shop and shop car back together. Its the 2000 Z28 in my sig. I plan on hitting somewhere around 750rwhp with a 76mm turbo. the car is light. It should be fun. I do have goals for that car however. They do involve going towards a 1000rwhp setup with a set of twins or my 91.5mm single. I understand that at that point the car wil be nearly useless on the street. Its good advertisemnt for the shop though. If and when it does come out on the street in that form I will tune it back alot. I have no desire to kill myself.
12-13-2006, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
My car was a handful when it made 680rwhp (9.4@143) so I have yet to see what it will be like with 867rwhp.
12-13-2006, 10:55 AM
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Good info for the slow people. 
It does take alot of money to get there but not 25-30k at all.
I went boost. I can adjust to my driving needs. There is no way in hell I am going to tune my car for 750rwhp and start off driving it. I will start at 500rwhp drive it and take it to the track and run it. After I am use to that for a few months move up in stages. Once its all said and done I should be at over 850rwhp butttttttttttttttt only when I hit the track. I think a good limit on the street is 625rwhp.
Guy who i bought my turbo motor made 800rwhp on a T70 but broke everything under the sun with it. From the clutch to the timing cover will be built. Now I have to worry about from the drive shaft back but again I can keep the boost low in order to save $$ to build it correctly. And hell I have traction issue with reg street tires my stock gto.
Only way to get a handle on high hp cars and issues is to get great feedback like this from others.
Anyone in Houston area that has a 500rwhp+++ I would love to take a ride to get a feel in what I will be up for
It does take alot of money to get there but not 25-30k at all.
I went boost. I can adjust to my driving needs. There is no way in hell I am going to tune my car for 750rwhp and start off driving it. I will start at 500rwhp drive it and take it to the track and run it. After I am use to that for a few months move up in stages. Once its all said and done I should be at over 850rwhp butttttttttttttttt only when I hit the track. I think a good limit on the street is 625rwhp.
Guy who i bought my turbo motor made 800rwhp on a T70 but broke everything under the sun with it. From the clutch to the timing cover will be built. Now I have to worry about from the drive shaft back but again I can keep the boost low in order to save $$ to build it correctly. And hell I have traction issue with reg street tires my stock gto.
Only way to get a handle on high hp cars and issues is to get great feedback like this from others.
Anyone in Houston area that has a 500rwhp+++ I would love to take a ride to get a feel in what I will be up for
12-13-2006, 11:49 AM
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Mine dead hooks from 45mph with 3.42s, 680 rwhp/720 trq, and 315 bfg drag radials. Higher boost levels, well that's where it starts to get ugly. As a daily driver, yes it's totally possible to use my car as a daily driver but on the lowest boost setting (10 psi) it still makes 680 rwhp. Would I use it as my daily though, definately not. I have too much money and sweat wrapped up into this car to drive it around to work and back. Clutches and all the parts to handle this kind of power are not cheap and wear out and I wouldn't want to subject the car to just plain old stop and go rush hour ****.
As a daily driver, yes it's totally possible to use my car as a daily driver but on the lowest boost setting (10 psi) it still makes 680 rwhp. Would I use it as my daily though, definately not. I have too much money and sweat wrapped up into this car to drive it around to work and back. Clutches and all the parts to handle this kind of power are not cheap and wear out and I wouldn't want to subject the car to just plain old stop and go rush hour ****.
12-13-2006, 11:53 AM
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I agree... even when I was in the 600rwhp range with my blower it was a little crazy on the street so i short shifter the car and it was alright. The new setup will be built around being able to drive the car on the street, but not to drive it hard, just to get it out every once and a while to drive and enjoy the car I have put so many hours/sweat/dollars into. I think 1000 is a wee bit much for the street if you are hammering the car, but if you are just cruising its fine. I hope atleast.
12-13-2006, 12:25 PM
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i went for a ride in a friends Supra that had a boost leaking and was still making in the 7-8XX range through a turbo400 and he punched it from a 40-50 roll to 160 and was still hazing the tires at 120,it pulled rediculously hard.i think theres a point where u have so much power that so long as the car is pointed straight on a decent road you dont have to worry too much about the rearend kicking out so far that you'd spin out....you basically just haze the tires will some swaying back and forth
12-13-2006, 12:47 PM
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With the power comes the problems. At one point my 500+ car was a daily driver but I am not so sure that it can be called that anymore. As for actually putting down power on the street, that is just impossible... and driving in the rain is considered a new sport for me. As many problems as I have with my current setup, I don't think I would have the funds or the patience to build a 1000hp street car.
As for actually putting down power on the street, that is just impossible... and driving in the rain is considered a new sport for me. As many problems as I have with my current setup, I don't think I would have the funds or the patience to build a 1000hp street car.
12-13-2006, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MIGHTYMOUSE
i talk to a lot of guys about my set up and experience about their 'plans'. i say about 60% never do anything but talk about it, 30% start doing the easy part and buy a few random components and then quit. the last 10% get in over their head in money and know-how and bail out.
that leaves a total of 0% of all the people i have given advice to that have actually followed through with a build similar to mine.
that leaves a total of 0% of all the people i have given advice to that have actually followed through with a build similar to mine.
12-13-2006, 01:35 PM
#130
Originally Posted by Zangel
With the power comes the problems. At one point my 500+ car was a daily driver but I am not so sure that it can be called that anymore. As for actually putting down power on the street, that is just impossible... and driving in the rain is considered a new sport for me. As many problems as I have with my current setup, I don't think I would have the funds or the patience to build a 1000hp street car.
As for actually putting down power on the street, that is just impossible... and driving in the rain is considered a new sport for me. As many problems as I have with my current setup, I don't think I would have the funds or the patience to build a 1000hp street car.Damn Tiff out of the wood work.
12-13-2006, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MIGHTYMOUSE
i talk to a lot of guys about my set up and experience about their 'plans'. i say about 60% never do anything but talk about it, 30% start doing the easy part and buy a few random components and then quit. the last 10% get in over their head in money and know-how and bail out.
that leaves a total of 0% of all the people i have given advice to that have actually followed through with a build similar to mine.
that leaves a total of 0% of all the people i have given advice to that have actually followed through with a build similar to mine.
Not all of us are all talk
But I do appreciate the help and "guidance" along the way. It's nice to have a bunch of experience right down the road from me.
12-13-2006, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Me SOM
john i've noticed your dyno numbers have changed, i used to see 752 rwhp all the time what happened to that?
752rwhp, 21.5 psi, never made a pass at this power level
680rwhp, 18 psi, went 143-144mph in July the same week I dynoed
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867rwhp, 24 or 25psi, 141 on shakedown pass not knowing how to best stage the car
12-13-2006, 02:08 PM
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Well, I can tell you that most people with 1000hp+ dreams are oblivious to the amount of work, research, time, money, and maintenance that is required for that type of HP level. Look at me and my friend Bill....his car, his money, my experiance, my willingness to work for beer and food...and over $20K so far and only alittle over 500rwhp 
Granted that we started with a blower from the get go and broke just about everything from the motor back Hell....I'm not a veteran in race car/engine building by any means...I learned from family and my own trial and error...parts that couldn't handle the abuse were replaced with the next best thing. One piece at a time and thousands of dollars later for tuning, parts, and playtime adds up 
Mind you this is a daily driver...he drags this thing on base here at Mcguire AFB everyday in the summer and races during the week after work.
1000hp for us?.....maybe not...Bill's happy with what he has for now...a roll cage will probably be out of the question as it will take away from the stock appearance of the car. But if he decides to go all in...who knows where it will take us
Granted that we started with a blower from the get go and broke just about everything from the motor back
Hell....I'm not a veteran in race car/engine building by any means...I learned from family and my own trial and error...parts that couldn't handle the abuse were replaced with the next best thing. One piece at a time and thousands of dollars later for tuning, parts, and playtime adds up Mind you this is a daily driver...he drags this thing on base here at Mcguire AFB everyday in the summer and races during the week after work. 1000hp for us?.....maybe not...Bill's happy with what he has for now...a roll cage will probably be out of the question as it will take away from the stock appearance of the car. But if he decides to go all in...who knows where it will take us
12-13-2006, 02:10 PM
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I had real good numbers for a STS kit... now I am in the final stages of what I hope will be a 1000FWHP setup. I guess we will see... Seeing if this 408 can spool that 88 in the back is the question.
12-13-2006, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Rabidbandit
Well, I can tell you that most people with 1000hp+ dreams are oblivious to the amount of work, research, time, money, and maintenance that is required for that type of HP level. Look at me and my friend Bill....his car, his money, my experiance, my willingness to work for beer and food...and over $20K so far and only alittle over 500rwhp
12-13-2006, 03:07 PM
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My last daily driver was a 94 Acura Integra with a whopping 2.0l stroker. Made 680 to the front wheels and got 30+ mpg in its daily driver routine. That was stolen last year. My 00 z28 is up and running just need to finish the tune and dyno it when we get more racegas. Iron block 408 pt88 HPT, 96lb/hr inj, twin walboros, return fuel, tea stg2 heads o-ringed, nossle DP nitrous kit. Yadda Yadda Yadda. I am about 35k including the car, sans torque arm, rear end and cage. Should hit the 1k mark but have to see how the daily driver stuff works out. No DD and its getting sold. lol cant spend all this money and not enjoy it every day.
Funny thing is, Hondas cost just as much to build.
Funny thing is, Hondas cost just as much to build.
12-13-2006, 03:48 PM
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Just my 2 cents, and I owe you guys change Owned a low 10 sec street car back in the day (early 90s). 10 inch tires, BBC. Legit street car. Drove it to the track, regularily, even. Whooped up on some trailer cars and then drove home.
We build alot of street cars in the 500 RWHP range. Unless you have a bad *** suspension, any more is useless. The #s are impressive, but do they run what they should? We've built several race cars (either chassis or engines or both) with considerably more HP.
I see all the time, on this forum, cars with excessive HP running 11s. Or MAYBE 10s. I know some of you are alot quicker, but most arent.
With today's technology, 1000 HP is fairly easy, and with a turbo, fairly streetable. But again, aside from the chest pounding, how many of them RUN?
It's far more impressive to me, for a small tire car to run its *** off for the power its making than for someone with cubic dollars to come out and overpower a mediocre chassis with a sick amount of HP.
That video of the wheelstand, now thats a chassis that works!! (even though it would prolly be quicker if they kept the front end down lower, but it wouldnt be nearly as impressive!)
Very few have any clue as to what it costs to build something at this level. It might not cost 30 grand to make 1000 HP but it'll damn sure cost that much to make that kinda HP DEPENDABLY, AND put it to the ground AND make it safe.
Kyles car is one of the most streetable high horsepower cars I've seen. Ask him how easy it is to get it to run what it should? Right Kyle? Hopefully we will help him remedy that!! (S60 going in as I type) HOLD IT DOWN BACK THERE!!!
As far as street manners, for the power its a kitten.
As far as people dreaming, if it wasnt for dreamers, I wouldnt be doing what I do for a living.
As far as how MANY hi HP cars are out there, we have a shop full of bad *** cars. Kyle can attest. That being said, we very rarely see real street cars with that kinda power.
Hope I wasnt too far off topic....
We build alot of street cars in the 500 RWHP range. Unless you have a bad *** suspension, any more is useless. The #s are impressive, but do they run what they should? We've built several race cars (either chassis or engines or both) with considerably more HP.
I see all the time, on this forum, cars with excessive HP running 11s. Or MAYBE 10s. I know some of you are alot quicker, but most arent.
With today's technology, 1000 HP is fairly easy, and with a turbo, fairly streetable. But again, aside from the chest pounding, how many of them RUN?
It's far more impressive to me, for a small tire car to run its *** off for the power its making than for someone with cubic dollars to come out and overpower a mediocre chassis with a sick amount of HP.
That video of the wheelstand, now thats a chassis that works!! (even though it would prolly be quicker if they kept the front end down lower, but it wouldnt be nearly as impressive!)
Very few have any clue as to what it costs to build something at this level. It might not cost 30 grand to make 1000 HP but it'll damn sure cost that much to make that kinda HP DEPENDABLY, AND put it to the ground AND make it safe.
Kyles car is one of the most streetable high horsepower cars I've seen. Ask him how easy it is to get it to run what it should? Right Kyle? Hopefully we will help him remedy that!! (S60 going in as I type) HOLD IT DOWN BACK THERE!!!
As far as street manners, for the power its a kitten.
As far as people dreaming, if it wasnt for dreamers, I wouldnt be doing what I do for a living.
As far as how MANY hi HP cars are out there, we have a shop full of bad *** cars. Kyle can attest. That being said, we very rarely see real street cars with that kinda power.
Hope I wasnt too far off topic....
I need to double my HP asap
12-13-2006, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Frost
Not all of us are all talk
But I do appreciate the help and "guidance" along the way. It's nice to have a bunch of experience right down the road from me. 
12-13-2006, 04:44 PM
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I've driven in a 2700 pound 800 plus RWHP car before (not an Fbody) It was just as KP described. 80-100mph punch and ignited the ET streets up like they were on ice.
I've also driven a ~650RWHP fbody and while scary fast it was much easier to control. That car had 3.42 gears and roadrace suspension, sticky tires so I think that helps a bit.
God help you if you are driving around on drag radials in the rain in a 1K RWHP car LOL
I've also driven a ~650RWHP fbody and while scary fast it was much easier to control. That car had 3.42 gears and roadrace suspension, sticky tires so I think that helps a bit.
God help you if you are driving around on drag radials in the rain in a 1K RWHP car LOL