mycar2fast

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hello all, i have a great question.... im very intrested in putting an sts turbo kit on my car, i found a guy that was selling one! so i went to look at it, kit was on his car when he showed it to me, his mods were.
TEA 241 heads
comp 918 springs
comp 224 cam
hardend pushrods
42# injectors
pacesetter ceramic coated long tubes
nelson performance tune


STS turbo
upgraded turbo
, i swear to you my bone stock ta would have kept up or beat it.... he said he was running 7 lbs of boost, he said "it feels sluggish today maybe its the humidity" let me know what you think..

FieroZ34

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After searching long and hard, I found the problem!

STS, never has 450hp felt so slow.

mycar2fast

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??????

FieroZ34

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STS kits are garbage.

Their power output, the drivability, the reliability, the affect on the car as a whole, the entire kit is cheap, and gives results as such. If you want a Supra, buy one.

JAvenger007

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Is this formulated from experience?

Darren P

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I do not like the sts kit
but one of my friends has one on his Trailblazer ss 2wd and it ran 7.90 with a small stall and 8 pounds of boost with 445 RWHP

it has since been tuned and now makes around 515 RWHP

and it has a t60 turbo so there is quite a bit left in it if he put a bigger turbo on it

2000TurboVert

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STS kits are NOT garbage... People has this misconception that because there in the rear they arent efficient and what not..

Man you might get 10-20hp MORE FROM a front mount... Plus pay 2000 more... So if 1000 bucks is worth 10hp then go for it!

But I know for a fact a rear mount has lower IAT's.. Close if not exactly the SAME power output.. and Efficiency levels that are EXTREMLY close...

Spool time isnt much different either.. maybe a couple of hundred RPM's..

My car running 6 psi, is full boost by 2900-3000...

Its piping under the car is just about a straight shot to the turbo, which reduces alot of the lag that should be there....

Underhood heat is taken eliminated, not to mention cooler turbo, and oil!

But to each his own!

Plus you drive a V6 so

FieroZ34

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Yes. I had a STS kit on my 94 Z28 6-speed. I sold the kit a week after I installed it. I will never do that again. I'm all for turbochargers, but to those who like their STS kit, you really need to drive a properly engineered turbo kit, it truly is amazing.

gametech

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The problem is most likely in the tune. I'm willing to bet if you logged the car you would see lean spikes and massive knock retard. I have seen the EXTREMELY minimal changes to the factory tune that a Nelson tune gives you. A couple of STS users on the GTO site have blown motors with the supplied tune.

FieroZ34

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And I can build a Supra for $4000 that makes 1200hp. It isn't about the peak HP. But since that's all your ignorant mind can see, I guarantee you a properly engineered LS1 kit will make over 50hp more at the same boost levels than a STS. Want me to go find the OFI dyno numbers? I haven't seen one less than 525whp.

Your facts are wrong then. Because as I said, a properly engineered kit doesn't raise IATs at all. That means intercooled, efficiently, and using a good compressor. You think a STS can make the same peak power output as an OFI kit at the same boost? Please say yes.

Try over 1000. My LT1 didn't have max boost of 7psi until 4,800rpm. And once there, the boost was very inconsistent. And not only was the spool time noticeably higher, it also took a lot longer to get from equilibrium to max boost.

I can't even read this sentence, let alone comprehend it. The piping under the car being straight reduces lag that should be there? At least you realize the design of the system is flawed from optimal.

I've never had any poor affects of underhood heat from any front mount kit of mine (Including the current). My turbo hasn't overheated yet. But that's because I use good turbochargers, that are water cooled. Not to mention on a 20* day, my heater is warm in under a minute from initial startup. That's what I have an oil cooler for.

And I drive a V8. And I drive a V2. And I drive a I1. What's your point?

But since your V8 is so superior, maybe we should race? I'll even drop my boost down to match your's. Hope you can cut a single digit E/T.

Quik

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no its not from experience on his part. he just a grumpy fiero owner. ive seen quite a few good numbers from STS kits. so if they can produce 4xx rwhp on a 5.3 i know they can produce numbers on a 5.7

ninetres

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Fiero:

FYI--The fastest car on the top 50 FI times is a rear mount.

JAvenger007

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My question was a bit of a rhetorical one.

I think I've seen your (Fiero) review of the kit before. I still think you have not driven or seen an STS kit modified to work well.

The 60-1 turbo I have on my car made great numbers on an LT1 and hit full boost around 2600. It did the same thing on my car with the .70 housing (full boost well under 3000rpm). The .70 appears to be not as efficient on my LS1 though. There are guys with coated/ported manifolds and wrapped exhaust spooling faster and making good numbers with proper cams to match their kits.

Theres a ZO6 down the street that made 585rwp on 7psi and has easily put car lengths on the local kenne bell cobras (both from a dig and roll). Im not trying to introduce street racing data, simply stating that they aren't "dogs" when it comes to making power. I think for the most part, rear mount owners choose those setups because they suit their particular goals better.

2000TurboVert

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https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/758751-dyno-numbers-turbo-3-8-camaro.html

3.8 turbo @ 15psi! He made a WHOPPING 305rwhp and 350rwtq!!!! NICE...

Heres a dyno graph @ 10psi! sts kit


8psi through an a4!
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...9&page=1&pp=20

2000TurboVert

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They also choose the setups because there A **** load cheaper and install in 6 hours... and you keep your A/C and among other things kick ***!!!!

2000TurboVert

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Well fiero your entitled to your opinion, but please get an sts before you talk **** about them!?

ninetres

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Way to quote an extremely mismatched set-up :bigthumb:

02Vortech

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lol gotta love it. the bashers have never had any experience with a rearmount in there lives and they are still the expert on them.....

my v6 blazer, 2door. 3.42's, OPEN DIFFRENTIAL, and a rearmount 60-1 p-trim @ 13psi ran 7.7 in the 1/8th. no track times with the new T-70.

motor is completely stock.

my truck isnt tuned (its tuned just dumping black smoke its so rich), its on street tires, and i got the one tire fire going on. id say rearmounts work pretty damn good.

Bad30th

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So your turbo'ed Fiero runs 9.xx on low boost, at altitude in Colorado ?

That's impressive. However, talk is cheap on the internet...



...or as was mentioned earlier, perhaps you'd like to talk smack to the fastest car on the FI list, which is a rear mount.

Eventually you'll learn that although design is important it's not all black and white.

Rob (Bad30th)

ddnspider

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just ignore him hes a troll that just starts fights and argues from "experience"