Why Is This Slow!?!?
Why Is This Slow!?!? hello all, i have a great question.... im very intrested in putting an sts turbo kit on my car, i found a guy that was selling one! so i went to look at it, kit was on his car when he showed it to me, his mods were.
TEA 241 heads
comp 918 springs
comp 224 cam
hardend pushrods
42# injectors
pacesetter ceramic coated long tubes
nelson performance tune
STS turbo
upgraded turbo
, i swear to you my bone stock ta would have kept up or beat it.... he said he was running 7 lbs of boost, he said "it feels sluggish today maybe its the humidity" let me know what you think..
TEA 241 heads
comp 918 springs
comp 224 cam
hardend pushrods
42# injectors
pacesetter ceramic coated long tubes
nelson performance tune
STS turbo
upgraded turbo
, i swear to you my bone stock ta would have kept up or beat it.... he said he was running 7 lbs of boost, he said "it feels sluggish today maybe its the humidity" let me know what you think..
STS kits are garbage.
Their power output, the drivability, the reliability, the affect on the car as a whole, the entire kit is cheap, and gives results as such. If you want a Supra, buy one.
Their power output, the drivability, the reliability, the affect on the car as a whole, the entire kit is cheap, and gives results as such. If you want a Supra, buy one.
Originally Posted by FieroZ34
STS kits are garbage.
Their power output, the drivability, the reliability, the affect on the car as a whole, the entire kit is cheap, and gives results as such. If you want a Supra, buy one.
Their power output, the drivability, the reliability, the affect on the car as a whole, the entire kit is cheap, and gives results as such. If you want a Supra, buy one.
I do not like the sts kit
but one of my friends has one on his Trailblazer ss 2wd and it ran 7.90 with a small stall and 8 pounds of boost with 445 RWHP
it has since been tuned and now makes around 515 RWHP
and it has a t60 turbo so there is quite a bit left in it if he put a bigger turbo on it
but one of my friends has one on his Trailblazer ss 2wd and it ran 7.90 with a small stall and 8 pounds of boost with 445 RWHP
it has since been tuned and now makes around 515 RWHP
and it has a t60 turbo so there is quite a bit left in it if he put a bigger turbo on it
Originally Posted by FieroZ34
STS kits are garbage.
Their power output, the drivability, the reliability, the affect on the car as a whole, the entire kit is cheap, and gives results as such. If you want a Supra, buy one.
Their power output, the drivability, the reliability, the affect on the car as a whole, the entire kit is cheap, and gives results as such. If you want a Supra, buy one.
Man you might get 10-20hp MORE FROM a front mount... Plus pay 2000 more... So if 1000 bucks is worth 10hp then go for it!
But I know for a fact a rear mount has lower IAT's.. Close if not exactly the SAME power output.. and Efficiency levels that are EXTREMLY close...
Spool time isnt much different either.. maybe a couple of hundred RPM's..
My car running 6 psi, is full boost by 2900-3000...
Its piping under the car is just about a straight shot to the turbo, which reduces alot of the lag that should be there....
Underhood heat is taken eliminated, not to mention cooler turbo, and oil!
But to each his own!
Plus you drive a V6 so
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The problem is most likely in the tune. I'm willing to bet if you logged the car you would see lean spikes and massive knock retard. I have seen the EXTREMELY minimal changes to the factory tune that a Nelson tune gives you. A couple of STS users on the GTO site have blown motors with the supplied tune.
Originally Posted by 2000TurboVert
Man you might get 10-20hp MORE FROM a front mount... Plus pay 2000 more... So if 1000 bucks is worth 10hp then go for it!
But I know for a fact a rear mount has lower IAT's.. Close if not exactly the SAME power output.. and Efficiency levels that are EXTREMLY close...
Spool time isnt much different either.. maybe a couple of hundred RPM's..
My car running 6 psi, is full boost by 2900-3000...
Its piping under the car is just about a straight shot to the turbo, which reduces alot of the lag that should be there....
Its piping under the car is just about a straight shot to the turbo, which reduces alot of the lag that should be there....
Underhood heat is taken eliminated, not to mention cooler turbo, and oil!
Plus you drive a V6 so
But since your V8 is so superior, maybe we should race? I'll even drop my boost down to match your's. Hope you can cut a single digit E/T.
Originally Posted by JAvenger007
Is this formulated from experience?
My question was a bit of a rhetorical one.
I think I've seen your (Fiero) review of the kit before. I still think you have not driven or seen an STS kit modified to work well.
The 60-1 turbo I have on my car made great numbers on an LT1 and hit full boost around 2600. It did the same thing on my car with the .70 housing (full boost well under 3000rpm). The .70 appears to be not as efficient on my LS1 though. There are guys with coated/ported manifolds and wrapped exhaust spooling faster and making good numbers with proper cams to match their kits.
Theres a ZO6 down the street that made 585rwp on 7psi and has easily put car lengths on the local kenne bell cobras (both from a dig and roll). Im not trying to introduce street racing data, simply stating that they aren't "dogs" when it comes to making power. I think for the most part, rear mount owners choose those setups because they suit their particular goals better.
I think I've seen your (Fiero) review of the kit before. I still think you have not driven or seen an STS kit modified to work well.
The 60-1 turbo I have on my car made great numbers on an LT1 and hit full boost around 2600. It did the same thing on my car with the .70 housing (full boost well under 3000rpm). The .70 appears to be not as efficient on my LS1 though. There are guys with coated/ported manifolds and wrapped exhaust spooling faster and making good numbers with proper cams to match their kits.
Theres a ZO6 down the street that made 585rwp on 7psi and has easily put car lengths on the local kenne bell cobras (both from a dig and roll). Im not trying to introduce street racing data, simply stating that they aren't "dogs" when it comes to making power. I think for the most part, rear mount owners choose those setups because they suit their particular goals better.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/758751-dyno-numbers-turbo-3-8-camaro.html
3.8 turbo @ 15psi! He made a WHOPPING 305rwhp and 350rwtq!!!! NICE...
Heres a dyno graph @ 10psi! sts kit
8psi through an a4!
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...9&page=1&pp=20
3.8 turbo @ 15psi! He made a WHOPPING 305rwhp and 350rwtq!!!! NICE...
Heres a dyno graph @ 10psi! sts kit
8psi through an a4!
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...9&page=1&pp=20
Originally Posted by 2000TurboVert
Now lets look at a thread in this section RIGHT now..
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-induction/766125-got-some-dyno-numbers-t67-403-mis-matched-combo.html
12psi front mount.... Less than 600 hp? Humm..... VERY EFFICIENT.....
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-induction/766125-got-some-dyno-numbers-t67-403-mis-matched-combo.html
12psi front mount.... Less than 600 hp? Humm..... VERY EFFICIENT.....
lol gotta love it. the bashers have never had any experience with a rearmount in there lives and they are still the expert on them.....
my v6 blazer, 2door. 3.42's, OPEN DIFFRENTIAL, and a rearmount 60-1 p-trim @ 13psi ran 7.7 in the 1/8th. no track times with the new T-70.
motor is completely stock.
my truck isnt tuned (its tuned just dumping black smoke its so rich), its on street tires, and i got the one tire fire going on. id say rearmounts work pretty damn good.
my v6 blazer, 2door. 3.42's, OPEN DIFFRENTIAL, and a rearmount 60-1 p-trim @ 13psi ran 7.7 in the 1/8th. no track times with the new T-70.
motor is completely stock.
my truck isnt tuned (its tuned just dumping black smoke its so rich), its on street tires, and i got the one tire fire going on. id say rearmounts work pretty damn good.
Originally Posted by FieroZ34
But since your V8 is so superior, maybe we should race? I'll even drop my boost down to match your's. Hope you can cut a single digit E/T.
So your turbo'ed Fiero runs 9.xx on low boost, at altitude in Colorado ?
That's impressive. However, talk is cheap on the internet...
...or as was mentioned earlier, perhaps you'd like to talk smack to the fastest car on the FI list, which is a rear mount.
Eventually you'll learn that although design is important it's not all black and white.
Rob (Bad30th)
