OK, whatever, I don't know what it costs. You're probably right, I don't do this for a living.
How about acknowledging that your modified intake ducts were the only reason that you were able to achieve the advertised numbers that you did. It's not our fault that you did not use production pieces on your test car. It's APS's fault that APS sold kits that do not perform as advertised.
I read some stuff about APS kits with the Vette kits but didn't believe with the way the kit was presented and the way you acted while you were trying to sell the kits. Now that you've sold them APS seems to be completely unwilling to spend a dime to correct it's own mistakes.

 

I see Speed Inc. is on the APS dealer page for IL. Maybe you could explain in whatever unlogical language they understand: their parts were DEFECTIVE/IMPROPERLY DESIGNED and or MANUFACTURED and by design APS bear the liability. $200 or $300 would probably ship 100 of those damn things to the state where they could go out for $10 each UPS and they can't even help there as they need all $5000. ATI and even STS could teach APS a thing or three about customer service and repeat business.

 

Your costs are way off. APS is offering high quality upgraded 6 ply custom silicone connection hoses at cost price plus shipping. If that does not satisfy you then I'm very sorry though that's the way it is.

I think you are being a little unrealistic expecting parts to be supplied free of charge.

APS supplied a very complete twin turbo system at an awesome price (virtually no profit as an introdutory offer) and on time as promised to EVERY customer in the US. OK, there have been a couple of small glitches in the system and we have redesigned parts to upgrade the twin turbo system. You can either choose to buy the upgrade parts or not (that's certainly your call) and then enjoy your car at higher boost levels.

I won't keep posting in this thread as I have said and done all I can to help you.

Thanks,

Peter

 

With all do respect, it's not an upgrade when it makes the kit perform as it was advertised.

That's called fixing a problem.

 

No I've read 90% of it and I know that a lot have the dented pipes, but you/the owners have to accept some of the responseability. If you hear the motor Knocking do you keep driving it? Most will answer no. My point is that after seeing the pictures I would think you would hear that kind of noise and find and fix the problem with very minimal damage or dents etc...When installing headers and Y pipe on various cars depending on who makes them and the particular car if the Y pipe hits the floor board do you call Hooker and ask what they are going to do about it etc... I bet not most will fix the issue themselves cause that is the nature of modifing a vehicle! I feel for some of you guys as you have spent decent money for these kits and on your cars, but what you are bitching about is silly the inlet pipes preformed like that are VERY COSTLY! I know cause I have called and inquired about having some made! The price you guys got the kits at are frigging cheap! I absolutly understand why it has been so hard to get a good quality turbos system for the F-bodies made at a reasonable price. I wouldn't want to have to deal with all the whining you guys are doing over some of the little details. Ask me how much I had to pay for my TT system and still had some small issues that you guys have had and on top of that I don't even have cast manifolds LOL! GL guys I think you should just fix the small issues quit bitching so much and enjoy your cars.

 

Are you talking about the 1/2 spacer you can get for the sway bar fix or the $300 fix for a problem that shouldn't have been there in the first place?

 

Really both. The sway bar is a no brainer, but the ducts I understand and would make me upset to have to spend more, but I wouldn't be bitching about it. I mean cause the kit didn't come with the K-member or a fuel system does that mean that you bitched about having to buy those things too? No you bought that stuff after the fact cause you needed it to support more HP. People like to get a great deal heck I do to for that matter. But when you save money you usually give it back in a different area. They made this pretty nice kit CHEAP designed it around a stock car at a very low level of boost and I haven't seen anyone running the kit like that LOL! But they say that it is able to make 1k right. But because they didn't tell you that you have to change a few things you feel they lied to you??? Say you buy a fuel pump and they say it is good for 1000hp. You install one and only use #6 line and the car doesn't make 1000hp cause it doesn't have enough fuel do you call the manufacture and bitch saying the falsely advertised there product? No you call them and then they tell you that it needs #10 to do what you are asking etc... Do you ask them to send you the #10 line to fix the problem. Probably not. I know it isn't exactly the same thing, but very simular in that they are not going to operate at a loss cause that is what that would be for them cause APS offered the kit up cheap and you guys expect them to loose thousands on a kit that they didn't make a ton of money on they couldn't have I have priced out most of this stuff and the is no way I could build one that cheap and neither could Speed Inc. There street twin kit when they were selling it was 9K+. Yeah the APS kit has some quirks and issues, but the kit wasn't 10K what do you expect. If you buy headers off of ebay do you think the fit as easy or good as the Kooks that are $800 more?

 

Peter would you a mas order. somethin like send 50 sets to speed inc and we can pay less fieght form there. (if speed inc is willing to help us out a little, i as just naming a company that has a good name)

And if not.
Peter, can i send you my old ones for , idk lets say, $150 refund toward the new tubes. i didn't want these oes to begin with.

Honestly i sent you 5000 plus dollars for a kit that will support 18psi. i don't car if it cost me a few more bucks. like $50 for shipping. or if i buy ducts you pay for shipping. something like that.

alot of us are mad. we paid X amount ofr bad *** 18psi front mount kit. please just talk to your boss or have him eamil me. hell send me 50 kits and i can get them turned around i will do that for free if everyone gets a kit.

Thanks Peter, hope APS(you) can make the right choice.

 

Can i get an Amen?

 

ok, i was told that i would need a k-member. and was told that fuel system was a recommonded upgrade. well duh. fuel on NA car should be upgraded for FI car.

but iwas not told i would need to spend 300 dollars to fix an advertised kit. i understand that the little bitching is bad. ok, great. well then peter should meet us half way.
send a box full of those little inlets to a state side dealer. then we can get form dealer for cost of part. APS eats shipping. i pay for ducts.

How that sound peter. Meet me half way. you ship box full tl stat side dealer i send them money for 190. they sned me part?

?????????

ps they said with the right motor it will support 1000 hp. they also said that it will support 18psi or boost."The highly specialized turbochargers are based upon custom Mitsubishi gasoline spec turbochargers with an Inconel 713C turbine wheel, liquid cooled bearing housing (50 lbs per minute mass air flow @ 18 PSI), APS single entry .84 A/R turbine housings with external waste gate port/provision and APS designed and manufactured .65 A/R compressor housing." this is right off of APS website.

 

Is that a 3 inch hose at the end or 2 1/2???

 

Sure look like 3" on one end dont they.

 

Well I guess like many not that happy that have to buy the upgraded ducts and would like to see a few guys get them and test them to 20psi to make sure they do the job. 200 bucks is not the end of the world to me the kit was cheap compared to most any out there. I will likely get them throw into the box if order the fuel system from aps.
I have not seen anything in my kit that shows poor quality in fact the opposite. I was shipped my kit promptly ,ahead of schedule . Now hoping the sway bar simple fix also works for me. Mabye need to get bigger spacer or something since want to run my bigger hotchkis sway bar.

Has anyone looked at the ducts closely to see if they coudl just put a stent hard pipe section in there or like that muffler hard pipe that is flexible?

Also same on the sway bars. Can't you just cut the intercooler pipes and put in silicone sections where the pipes would hit?

Seem like cheap simple solutions. Sure the kit is not perfect..STS is not perfect and ATI is not perfect. Know lots of people that had problems with ati units although those might be more in the past. Only know one or two guys local with ati kits and new a couple with sts kits.

 

Why? I installed the kit like the instructions said to.

 

In my opinion the APS systems are the best value on the market today. The systems are very complete and well thought out. I am suprised they are able to turn a profit on these considering what is included and what they sell for and I can't imagine how much $$$ is tied up in custom molds, fixtures and machining.

Now, I do agree that the intake tubes should not be collapsing. It is a mistake and will affect anyone trying to push this system. On the other hand, if I owned one of these systems I would not be too terribly upset about spending the 290 on tubes that will not collapse because the systems are rather inexpensive to begin with.

Yes, they are, IMHO, inexpensive. If they sold for 1000-2000 more than they currently do then APS could rather easily absorb any cost with problems such as this. When you offer a system to the public at an inexpensive price and minimal profit, shelling out $15,000 or so to upgrade parts that aren't up to task for some people is a lot harder for a company to do. I think they bring some awesome products to the market and would like to see them stay around and offer those products at a good price rather than raising prices or being buried financially by small issues.

I want to be clear that I'm not speaking for APS, just offering my opinion. (Which may be slightly skewed, as after fabricating custom turbo systems for years, minor issues such as this seem less signifigant to me).

 

I am currently searching for an LSx powered vehicle and even with these fairly minor issues I will certainly be looking into the APS TT kit. Sure there are problems, but the kits are realitively inexpensive in comparison to other kits and fitment is really good (minus the sway bar issue). Dont want to start a flame war but seriously how many turbo kit companies have taken tens of thousands of hard earned dollars from LSx owners and never delivered? To have pretty much a bolt on kit that needs a few modifications for the price offered is a steal in my opinion. Putting out additional money sucks but imagine how much a custom twin kit would cost of if you bought the phamspeed, turbo-zone, OFI, etc (insert failed turbo kit company here)? JMO.

 

The point is the ducts collapsiing is not allowing the kit to do what it was promised and advertised to do. The price people paid for the kits is completely irrelevant. The kits were designed, and people were told the kit would be capable of X amount of boost and X amount of power and here's the price. The kits as shipped to these people are not capable of that because the hoses collapse.

The fact that APS did their testing without using the kit exactly as it was to be supplied to the customers was a mistake on their part and APS should own up to this and supply everyone who has the inferior ducts with new ones that will allow the kit to perform as it was originally advertised to do. They've already paid for this and should not have to pay anything more than they have. Doesn't matter if people paid 3 grand, 5 grand, 10 grand... APS advertised the kit to do something it cannot do as it was supplied. Why should people have to pay for APS's mistake to make their kit work as it should have in the first place? If you bought a set of wheels that were advertised to be 11 inches wide for X amount of dollars, and they are 9 inches wide when you receive them and then you are told by the manufacturer that you can get them in the 11's that you paid for already, but you would have to pay extra for them now.... does that seem right? This is the same kind of thing. The kits were advertised to do X for X amount of dollars and they will not. So those people did not get what they paid for, regardless of what the price was. Why should anyone with the kits pay another dime? They've already paid for their kits and they should have what they paid for, which is a product that will do what was advertised.

On the anti-swaybar denting the pipes deal.... people should not have dented pipes with a stock bar, at stock height... period. This makes me think the car the kits were designed on was not road tested either near enough or at all. I guarantee people would have preferred to have waited another few weeks for their kits for this issue to have been addressed when they were first being developed than to get the kits and have to deal with it now. If a redesign of the tubes was not possible and the spacers for the swaybar mounts was still the answer then they could have been supplied with the kits. But it's now a known issue, and like the hoses collapsing, the spacers should also be sent out to those who request them. As has been suggested, pack up a bunch of them, get them to a stateside dealer and distribute from there since shipping is so high to get them to the states individually.

Wasn't it APS that came here during the wake of the HiFlo ordeal and talked about what a big deal customer service is to them, and how they wanted to bring a product for LS1 f-bodies that would perform, ship quickly, and have the wonderful customer service to go with it? Where is that great customer service now... because I sure don't see it in here.

 

Listen im just giving my opinion on the whole deal and I agree with the fact that there are some outstanding issues with the kit but overall its a really good deal. For everyone that is having problems I fully understand that it sucks but I feel that people should cut Peter an APS a little slack considering they are taking the initiative to build a high quality twin turbo kit and have delivered where others have failed. Honestly if I were APS or any other company even considering building a mass produced turbo kit for any LSx powered cars, especially F-bodys, I would take one look at this type of thread and scrap the project because it just isnt worth it. No kit is going to be perfect and for an additional $290 and some spacers for tubing that is now good to 20 psi thats not too bad of a deal. Again just my opinion. Good luck to everyone an their builds and hopefully these issues will all be resolved in the end.

 

I am all for that APS ships 50-60 kits to speed inc or any other dealer in bulk and then we just go thru them. even if they charged 20 bucks to ship it 5 for actuall shipping and then 15 to absorb cost. I would definatly be for that

 

Lets assume you are an intelligent guy/gal and mechanicly inclined also as it sounds. Well this is where you use that mechanical skill you have and use comon sense to double check everything no matter what instructions tell you. You have to use your own brain. And the first time I hear something making a horibil noise I am going to investigate and fix it. Not keep driving the car saying I followed the instructions so its ok.No aftermarket product of this magnitude is going to get every detail perfect especially for the money you have paid for the kits. Like Jim is saying this is VERY cheap for what you guys have got with the kits. Its like getting a 200K house for 100k and then bitching cause you have to fix a few squeaky hinges on doors. By the way I am begining to believe your title under your name is a perfect description LOL!