Well, been a member of this site for a while now, never have posted, but I've got to chime in here with my opinion on this...

Let's think back to last summer when those of us who bought the first 50 kits had paid our deposits and were waiting on these APS kits to be finished. We took Peter at his word that APS would come through, when some other turbo kit companies had delivered mixed results or had not delivered at all in the past. We bought these kits based on what Peter told us in the thread, what we heard about the other APS kits already out and what we saw on the APS website. APS was about as far away as they could be from most of us too, in Australia. It was exciting stuff though, I was totally into it.

There was another turbo kit being talked up and sold on this site last summer as well, don't really remember much about it, dismissed it pretty quickly as I thought there was no comparison, the APS kit was a way better value. I know that for sure now.

IIRC, the APS kits were finished and shipped a week or two earlier than Peter had told us to expect them. Got mine, wow, this kit was pro packaged, and after opening the boxes I was damn pleased with the overall quality and how complete and thorough the kit was. This was good stuff for the money. Yeah the bov's were cheap, some clamps were cheap, couple of rubber hoses where braided lines would be better, but no doubt this was a very nice kit. As long as this worked close to what it was supposed to I felt like I got a deal.

Kit came in August of last year, my car's still not done. It's a complete build. But, it's made 607/541 with the stock wastegate springs. I've got dents from my swaybars. When I turn up the boost I may have hoses that suck shut. Everything else went together and works great. Pretty minor IMO, there are ways to fix this stuff, its just part of what we do with these cars.

I don't believe Peter misrepresented anything. We bought the first freakin' 50 kits, I kind of expected to have some issues. We didn't get perfection, but overall I'm happy. If APS gives us no cost solutions to the problems we're talking about here, props to them, I don't think they're obligated. We're probably gonna have to pay them, someone else, or fix it ourselves. Not the end of the world.

Don't mean to dismiss any problems anyone else has had with their APS build, this is just my take on it.

 

Well guys today is the day. I'm not sure if you guys got a PM from Peter on friday but i did and he stated that they were going to investigate the problem with the pipes on there shop car over the weekend and he was going to come up with a solution by today so i guess will see what happens

 

Umm today is Tuesday there lol.

 

Guys, Here's a couple of pictures of the 13 mm thick spacer which is fitted between the chassis and the sway bar mounting bracket. I post some other pictures tomorrow of the modified sway bar links.

Peter

 

So will this work on my hotchkis sway bars as well as factory? And how about some pics of the new intake ducts. Are the new ducts available now ? Also did you ever make a speed density intake tube?

 

Thats all great and dandy but now are we all stuck with dented pipes? Also Peter are you guys going to send us all those spacers? Also i was told that if you mess arounf with the sway bar it will ruin the performance is this true?

 

You could probably ask Sam Strano. He would be able to tell you if it would mess the suspension geometry up.

 

Peter,
Are these spacers included with the ducts?

 

Peter, how much shipping will APS be trying to charge us for these?

 

Shocked somebody even asked for that, many failed posts and PM's over it and dont believe any ever shipped(correct me if I'm wrong). Tried to get one sent with the kit, then a real high price quote, the excuse it wont possibly fit in the TT boxes and then a long production delay story so we I didn't bother to push it further... Think it would be much easier/quicker to get speed inc or anybody to cut some stainless or aluminum tube then bead the edge and call it good.

 

Or just buy a silicone coupler for $40 like I did.

 

That will depend on the diameter and routing of the sway bar. As I have never fitted that brand of sway bar I can't say for sure either way.

Do you mean the intakes connection hoses?

Yes we did and they were shipped to customers many months ago.

 

Jeez guys, APS comes through with a solution to the problem at hand and you attack him with other stuff. Thank you Peter and APS for resolving this issue!

So how do we go about getting these? Are you going to automatically ship these to everyone who has bought the kit or do we have to sign up for them?

 

you will have to pay for them. It will be something like $100 for 2 peices of 1/2 inch steel with 2 holes in each one then the shipping will be even more.

or at least that is how everything else has been

 

i think i might just call down there and get him on the phone. or when i fly down next month for business. this is stupid. how can such a good turbo company have such bad service after the sale.

 

Of course mean the intake ducts that are collapsing.

And can just use a silcone coupler maybe for the maf delete. I am running a nw 90mm tb so anyone know the right silicone coupling size?

So guess might have to try the spacers with my hotchis sway bars. Will go to stock sways if have to ,sometimes you have to sacrifice something. Better than no sway bar.
And will put my hotchkis on my 96z28. But maybe with luck they will work. the hotchkis is fatter than the stock sway bar. As usual I don't have my turbo kit on my car so can't figure things out exacty yet.

 

I think they're finally getting the point we want resolutions once the pitchforks and torchs came out. How many times over how many months did people ask about the APS "speed density intake tube" (if they started shipping I never knew) and some redesigned working intakes ducts etc...

1. New Turbo's fail, it happens: the manufacturer knows their will be a return rate so I do not considered that an APS issue tbh unless the failure rate goes crazy high.

2. The swaybar hitting pipes: though they've heard it a few times, (claimed everybody installed the kit wrong pff) now that you guys brought it colectively in the pulic eye they've admitted an issue and are doing something at least(squeaky wheel gets the grease).

3. Intake ducts: These kits have been out for a year, the defective intake ducts have been a known problem for over six months now on multiple vehicles. Anybody in the sales/service game that thinks it's fine for them to charge us for replacing defective parts (that directly hinder the working of a product) do this: treat your customers over the next week this same way and see how many middle fingered compliments, bloody nose's and lawsuits you get. People wont stand for that kind of treatment and you wont be in business long. Again $275,000 for just the first fifty, I think they can afford to do the honest thing. Current and possible future customers are watching how they handle this.

So who here besides APS has the "speed density intake tube?" Pic of at least one required.

 

Thats what i did !!!Then i had to turn the pipes around to clear under the bar LOL!!!

 

You got pictures barnet of it??? We would all like to see them.

 

I very much doubt that a small dent in the pipe would have much if any impact on the performance.

I was planning on making and posting some drawings of the required parts so guys could then make up these quite easy to make parts.

The sway bar spacers and mods to the sway bar links have no noticeable impact on road handling imho.

Peter