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Staging Lane
Joined: Aug 2008
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From: Charlotte, NC
I have also read thru and see you have shipped out upgraded hoses to all people. I remember getting a new set from APS when i brought this up like 2 months ago, just wanted to see if i got upgraded ones or if you just gave me a new pair of old hoses?
So are you saying that APS sent you NEW silicone intake ducts after your initial purchase? Did they charge you and if so how much?
Peter, I started this thread saying that my pipes had dented SO much, that they cracked. and the car built NO BOOST because of it. That is the whole reason this thread was started by me. so please dont tell these people that it wont cause it DOES and IT WILL have an impact on performance.
I have also read thru and see you have shipped out upgraded hoses to all people. I remember getting a new set from APS when i brought this up like 2 months ago, just wanted to see if i got upgraded ones or if you just gave me a new pair of old hoses?
I have also read thru and see you have shipped out upgraded hoses to all people. I remember getting a new set from APS when i brought this up like 2 months ago, just wanted to see if i got upgraded ones or if you just gave me a new pair of old hoses?
Yeah I feel for you guys and the pipes hitting the sway bar etc... But you are modifing a car here to go fast and have to check clearances yourselfs and or your shop that installed it, bucause of the reason that not all cars are exactly the same IE: Lowered, sway bar sizes etc... I would hardly blame APS for that little stuff. The intake tubes and or turbo issues is a seperate thing. And for the guy who said lowering the end links would change the suspension geometry etc... If you lower the car it will do the same thing so that is a bad excuse for not just cutting or buying shorter end links and repairing the charge pipes etc... I highly dought any one could build a kit that would fit everybodies car perfectly due to the same issues you guys are talking about.Not taking sides just stating my opinion. GL on getting the car issues worked out looks like some of you have them running real good!
So are these 'upgrades" going to be included for now on in the kit?
I still have mixed feelings about having to pay for a part that fixes a problem in the first place. I don't run a business but from being a consumer it feels like we are getting hosed. No pun intended.
I am going to ask this straight so it doesn't get dodged.
Peter,
How did APS get the advertiesed 1000 hp out of this setup without the tubes sucking shut? How can you advertise your setup to be capable of 1000hp when it obviously can't?
If the answer is, "Well sorry, you guys are just going to have to pay for it we fucked up." Then so be it.
I would rather hear that than some bullshit side step politician answer. All of us are adults here and I can tell when someone is trying to bullshit me.
The sway bar thing isn't as big of deal. However if your company did any testing on the street what so ever, then you know about the sway bar denting the tubes.
It's amazing how at the beginning of this post your answer was the product was installed wrong. Now after a half dozen or however many that have the exact same problem with stock height cars, you "magically" come up with a fix for it?
I would guess that the OP was not the first person to call you and say the sway bar is beating the **** out of the tubes. One good thing about the internet and LS1tech is that we can see how a product works in the real world.
I repeat what I said before. No FI product is perfect, each one has its own problems. I personally think the APS TT kit is one of the best. It's how the company deals with and fixes the problems is what's important.
I still have mixed feelings about having to pay for a part that fixes a problem in the first place. I don't run a business but from being a consumer it feels like we are getting hosed. No pun intended.
I am going to ask this straight so it doesn't get dodged.
Peter,
How did APS get the advertiesed 1000 hp out of this setup without the tubes sucking shut? How can you advertise your setup to be capable of 1000hp when it obviously can't?
If the answer is, "Well sorry, you guys are just going to have to pay for it we fucked up." Then so be it.
I would rather hear that than some bullshit side step politician answer. All of us are adults here and I can tell when someone is trying to bullshit me.
The sway bar thing isn't as big of deal. However if your company did any testing on the street what so ever, then you know about the sway bar denting the tubes.
It's amazing how at the beginning of this post your answer was the product was installed wrong. Now after a half dozen or however many that have the exact same problem with stock height cars, you "magically" come up with a fix for it?
I would guess that the OP was not the first person to call you and say the sway bar is beating the **** out of the tubes. One good thing about the internet and LS1tech is that we can see how a product works in the real world.
I repeat what I said before. No FI product is perfect, each one has its own problems. I personally think the APS TT kit is one of the best. It's how the company deals with and fixes the problems is what's important.
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Staging Lane
Joined: Aug 2008
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From: Charlotte, NC
well no!!! they dont look like that. mine look EXACTLY the same as the ones i took off. i WAS told that they were an upgrade... I thought it was a different material or something but looking at the pictures peter just posted they are definatly NOT
. You sent me another set of OLD hoses
. Why would you do that peter
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The parts to upgrade the clearance between the anti sway bar and discharge pipe should be included in future system, that for sure.
I don't have a budget to send our parts to every customer. Bottom line, it would not cost the owner more than few $$$ to rectify the clearance issue.
Our inlet hoses were wrapped in a high temp material and then wired onto the hose stainless steel wire. I guess that the extra heat shied material wrapped around the inlet pipes stopped the hoses from collasping, best guess only.
Agreed, it's no big deal. A half inch spacer between the sway bar bracket and chassis and shortening the sway bar links will rectify the issue. I can't see this task taking more than 90 minutes to complete.
Where did I ever say that? All I said was that I would look into the issue and report back.
This thread was the first time that I had heard or read about the problem. I don't have the time or luxury to read every post on a forum . All I can do is investigate and report back what I have seen on our own test mule.
True enough, no product is perfect in every way and when there's so many custom parts in a twin turbo system it's a tough gig to aim for perfection, still this is our aim and will continue to be so.
Peter
I am going to ask this straight so it doesn't get dodged.
Peter,
How did APS get the advertiesed 1000 hp out of this setup without the tubes sucking shut? How can you advertise your setup to be capable of 1000hp when it obviously can't?
If the answer is, "Well sorry, you guys are just going to have to pay for it we fucked up." Then so be it.
I would rather hear that than some bullshit side step politician answer. All of us are adults here and I can tell when someone is trying to bullshit me.
Peter,
How did APS get the advertiesed 1000 hp out of this setup without the tubes sucking shut? How can you advertise your setup to be capable of 1000hp when it obviously can't?
If the answer is, "Well sorry, you guys are just going to have to pay for it we fucked up." Then so be it.
I would rather hear that than some bullshit side step politician answer. All of us are adults here and I can tell when someone is trying to bullshit me.
Peter
Peter, I started this thread saying that my pipes had dented SO much, that they cracked. and the car built NO BOOST because of it. That is the whole reason this thread was started by me. so please dont tell these people that it wont cause it DOES and IT WILL have an impact on performance.
I have also read thru and see you have shipped out upgraded hoses to all people. I remember getting a new set from APS when i brought this up like 2 months ago, just wanted to see if i got upgraded ones or if you just gave me a new pair of old hoses?
I have also read thru and see you have shipped out upgraded hoses to all people. I remember getting a new set from APS when i brought this up like 2 months ago, just wanted to see if i got upgraded ones or if you just gave me a new pair of old hoses?
This thread was the first time that I had heard or read about the problem. I don't have the time or luxury to read every post on a forum . All I can do is investigate and report back what I have seen on our own test mule.
The first quote is from today, the second from over two months ago! Peter, you lie like a rug!
I understand where you are coming from but if you read the whole thread you will see that more than half of us are on stock suspension and still have dented pipes. Myself included.
Those intake ducts should be sent to us for the cost of shipping only. It is total BS that you are trying to turn a profit off of your mistakes. There is no way it costs $100 to ship those 2 tubes, and I can't see it costing $200 to make them either. :/
air freight from Down Under is not cheap but I agree. For shipping only would be the right thing to do.
FormerVendor
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I don't know about the shipping costs but we are installing a system with those upgraded tubes and I can tell you they would be rather expensive to make. FWIW I would guess that at $290 shipped they are making zero profit.
Perhaps my thoughts on what it costs to ship or produce these parts are off a bit, but APS should be willing to loose a little money over this issue. The kit does not perform as advertised as it was shipped to consumers. Mass producing kits the way APS does means they get parts made for cheaper. They've made a lot of money off of the 100 or so kits they've sold.
I bought $5000 TV that had problems over a year down the road, it was a common problem affecting a lot of sets. Guess what; Sony sent a technician to my house and performed over $1000 worth or repairs at no cost to me even though the TV was out of warranty.
Step up APS. Peter this might not be your call - I don't know who really calls the shots over there. If it's not up to you, you should be fighting with your boss for us, you're the one who sold this kit to all of us.
I bought $5000 TV that had problems over a year down the road, it was a common problem affecting a lot of sets. Guess what; Sony sent a technician to my house and performed over $1000 worth or repairs at no cost to me even though the TV was out of warranty.
Step up APS. Peter this might not be your call - I don't know who really calls the shots over there. If it's not up to you, you should be fighting with your boss for us, you're the one who sold this kit to all of us.
Peter