Take advice from someone that spend a lot of time in litigation... You can take them to court and attempt to sue them, but you'll spend more in court/lawyer fees than you would buying 2 forged engines with new superchargers. The amount of time a lawyer would spend researching and building a case, all the while charging you $200/hr, you'd be better off just getting as much covered under warranty and walking away.

Unfortunately sueing them would be a case of diminishing returns. It sucks. It's wrong. It's not your fault, but it happened and if you let it fester, you're going to go nuts.

Grit your teeth and chalk it up to experience - it's part of the hobby.

 

I already have!


Doug

 

The engine in my Formula hydrolocked after sitting on jack stands through a storm. I was changing the rotors, pads, and brake lines. I went to start it when I was done and it took out the block and oil pan.

Especially since he is not the original owner. They'll say that warranties don't transfer or something like that. He's doing the right thing already and planning on building a new engine.

 

+1 Honestly it doesn't matter if he is the second owner of the car. New car/New engine-Used car/Used engine same thing would have happened to it. The maggie was 100% at fault for the catastrophic failure of the engine. But most likely they are going to blame who installed it. Good luck man.

 

They have already admitted fault by replacing the faulty intercooler with a redesigned model. I would call them and be very firm on getting some $$$. If they don't comply I'd sue them and when you sue you can also sue for legal costs.

The OP is taking it in stride, I'd be ******* tossing that POS through their front window.

 

The bad thing is that you are dealing over the phone instead of face to face, this gives them the advantage and they know it, I had a very bad problem with Procharger (Not EPP), Long story short, I got screwed by them and several thousands of dollars later...

 

I'd expect something from magnusson, maybe not a whole new engine but cover something. Do something to rectify this situation.

 

As much as it sucks thats very true.

IMO Magnusson is completely at fault, but they wont ever pay. Lifes a bitch and then you die.

 

I've been reading and watching this thread very closely lately. Reason being, I bought the LM Speed Maggie kit about 2 weeks ago and am just waiting for it to show up after all the parts come in to Ed. I even asked him about this incident. He said it was the first problem of this kind he had ever seen.

Did it stop me from buying the kit? Obviously not. Because I know that in this hobby, you gotta pay if you want to play. And the nature of mechanical things is that eventually, they break. Eventually heat, friction, stress, and murphy will take it's toll.

You can't add components to an engine that it wasn't designed to support from the factory and be shocked when something goes wrong.

People grenade engines all the time with nitrous, does that mean you should expect NX or NOS to pay for you to have a new engine? Just because a noid stuck open while you were spraying the manufacturer is totally at fault? Can you threaten them legal action because something went wrong? No, you knew what you were doing.

This instance is very unfortuante because the car dicked itself while it wasn't even running. I really feel bad for the guy who when he turned his key, instead of his car roaring to life he heard the sounds of twisted metal and cash registers. Yeah, that really sucks. I would be furious if that happened to me, but that's how it goes sometimes.

Ditto on the above post about litigation. You would spend more money in lawyers and trying to get statements from professional witnesses. Might as well just go to W2W and have them build you a whole new car for what you would spend on trying to get Magnusson to buy you a new stock block.

Good luck with the future build man, and I look forward to posting my maggie build photos and final results.

 

No axe to grind here. Seriously, why all the hate?

I wouldn't warranty something that had been bought by someone else, then sold, and then installed by who knows who...

Unless the warranty was transferable, that's the breaks. As if no other forced induction solution has ever broken, or a cam has gone bad, or springs have gone bad or anything else. Unless you are covered by warranty, you're fucked. That's the way it is.

Cry some more and hate on magnusson if it makes you feel better, but this is nobody's fault...**** breaks and life doesn't come with airbags.

 

I've been reading through this thread, and I 100% agree, Chicken.

 

I bet $$$ you'd sing a different tune if it was your car.

What alot of you are failing to realize (or read) is that this unit was purchased from and installed by a Maggie dealer. Just because the name on the title changes doesn't mean ****. You guys act like he bought a 10 year old used blower that been on 5 different cars. Its been on ONE car for a very short time. I agree, **** happens with used parts and I wouldn't expect a manufacturer to help me if I bought an item used and installed it myself.

Hate? Not sure what you mean, I just don't like to see anyone get screwed by a companies lack of quality. How am I wrong?

You're telling me that if you went to a Maggie certified dealer/installer and purchased a blower w/ installation and it (beyond a doubt) destroyed your motor in a very very short time you would just say "Oh well, thats the breaks"? Yeah, right. You'd be furious.

 

No

If thats true, he has a warranty then. Right? Right?!
If he has a warranty this thread doesn't need to exist. If he doesn't have a warranty...why not? Did he not ask for one? Did they say, sorry its used, no warranty, and he installed it anyways. Somethings missing here. What is it?

"All maggies are slow" - what does that have to do with anything other than your prejudices?

If I didn't have a warranty, id be pissed off, but Id know theres nothing I can do about it.
If I DID have a warranty, id get that **** fixed, you betya.

So again, wheres the warranty?

 

You tell me.

I never said all Maggie cars are slow, I just said they can't hang with a Procharged car of similar build. Thats common knowledge.

You're getting all worked up for nothing. I'm not sure why you want to defend Magnacharger but they should have offered to do something for the guy, regardless of warranty. Its just good business. They are directly responsible for the destruction of his motor, it was not installer error or mis-use of the product, just shitty parts. **** what the law says, on an ethical level when you cost someone time or money you should offer to compensate them. If thats not the case then **** them, they don't deserve any support.

To use the same anology again, If my HVAC co installed a furnace in your house which caused a fire and damaged your house would you not expect me or the manufacturer to compensate you and take care of it? You damn skippy!

Like I said, watch your **** blow up due to their incompetence and see how you feel. Somehow I just don't think its gonna be "Oh well, my motor blew up because maggie screwed up, but its OK. It was worth it to make 50 HP more than a good H/C package for awhile".

 

Umm, ok. Whatever. Im not going down that road. You forgot to mention how that was relevant at all to this thread?

Im not the one worked up. Look at your posts, look at mine. Whose the one thats calm, and whose the one ranting and raving?

And you have proof of this? You can PROVE it was shitty parts, and no one fucked up? No one dropped the blower or anything? And its good business practice to toss 5K to a customer for a motor rebuild for fun and giggles? Leave your common sense at home, did ya? Im not defending magnuson, I have my own beefs with them, im defending common sense, and the idea that in racing **** breaks, and if its not under warranty, your fucked, end of story. If you cant handle that, find another hobby.

Yes, because your company has liability insurance. Does this installer have liablity insurance? Does the owner have a warranty? Analogy failure detected.

No one has proved incompetence here. You have an axe to grind, that's all I see. And your comment about 50hp more than a good H/C package just shows how ignorant you are. You do understand power under the curve yes? Or are you just some max HP E-peen nutswinger who hates maggies because all the cool kids do it?

Stay on topic, and keep your prejudices about the product out of it, if you want to be taken seriously.

 

Copied and pasted disclaimer from a Magnacharger system installation guide.

"Our Magna Charger kits are designed for engines in good mechanical condition only.
Installation on high mileage or damaged engines is not recommended and may result in engine failure, for which we are not responsible. Magna Charger is not responsible for the engine or consequential damages."

Unfortunately, that about covers it.

 

Haha, you guys didn't even read the thread.

The intercooler failed, Magnacharger basically admits faulty part, case closed. Try knowing your *** from your elbow before arguing with me.

If you READ, you'll see that someone else had the same problem.

As far as me being ignorant, go **** yourself. You don't know me at all, so shut the **** up. I said "about 50 more RWHP than a good H/C package". I am referring to F bodies, and I have yet to see a maggie car run as fast as a good H/C package. I could give a **** about your "area under the curve" dyno queen bullshit. Put down a number on the track, where it counts.

 

That doesn't say a word about mechanical failure of their parts. All it says is if you blow your 100K stock motor up they aren't responsible, which is common sense. The way the OP's IC failed it would kill ANY motor.

 

Update, talked to bryan from maggie today they will be rebuilding/replacing the intercooler and doing a complete rebuild on my unit w/ a warranty at no charge except I have to pay for shipping.

As for the motor I am on my own however I do realize that there are very few companies that will warranty anything beyond their own product regardless of what else is damaged.

I feel fortunate that they have agreed to repair/replace the blower parts.

Thanks to Bryan aka"Blownchevy" for all your help


Doug

 

Nobody in this thread has said anything about how the intercooler failed.

How does something completely seperate from the engine, the intercooler, which is used to cool the blower, get water into the engine?

How could this problem not have happened from a blown head gasket? You can get water into the combustion chamber that way as well.

If an intercooler failed, wouldn't it just lead out of the intercooler onto the ground, and not into the engine?