New Aeromotive 340 in tank pump
03-15-2011, 09:51 PM
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There are a number of things mentioned here that are not recommended:
1 - Insertion of a wire through the sender will cause vapor leakage and wicking of fuel as well as a potential fire hazard by using this improper wiring method.
2 - Modification of the Racetronix harness will void its warranty
For future reference, Racetronix will have a new PnP harness, electrical bulkhead and in-tank wiring harness designed to handle the increased power demands of these new in-tank High Performance pumps. ETA 03/18/11. I plan to stock these items for those wishing to correctly upgrade their pumps.
Another issue directly related specifically to the '99up f-body is the loss of jet pump functionality and the ability to keep bucket full of fuel. This should be addressed to properly maintain the fuel level in the bucket. Starving the pump for fuel can have erratic effects on fuel pressure, not to mention the life of the pump can be severely compromised. I am currently looking into some components that can be used to maintain this functionality.
1 - Insertion of a wire through the sender will cause vapor leakage and wicking of fuel as well as a potential fire hazard by using this improper wiring method.
2 - Modification of the Racetronix harness will void its warranty
For future reference, Racetronix will have a new PnP harness, electrical bulkhead and in-tank wiring harness designed to handle the increased power demands of these new in-tank High Performance pumps. ETA 03/18/11. I plan to stock these items for those wishing to correctly upgrade their pumps.
Another issue directly related specifically to the '99up f-body is the loss of jet pump functionality and the ability to keep bucket full of fuel. This should be addressed to properly maintain the fuel level in the bucket. Starving the pump for fuel can have erratic effects on fuel pressure, not to mention the life of the pump can be severely compromised. I am currently looking into some components that can be used to maintain this functionality.
03-15-2011, 09:52 PM
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Ok so looking through this thread about different flows of 255 and the 340...Im one that was trying to crunch the numbers ROUGHLY LOL...but..I use a BAP with a 255 non HP.
Please tell me if Im off on how Im looking at this...
It appears after seeing the chart at the beginning of the thread and comparing the different pumps at different psi ranges and what the 340 does as voltage is increased....
I got that basically and once again ROUGHLY...that going from a base 14 volts to the pump at 60psi (my base) all the way up to 17.59 (17) that the 340 flowed a nice 433lph?
with that said..if math and ROUGH figures serve me right...then there is approx. a 70lph increase for every 1 volt added from the standard operating area of 14 volts ROUGHLY to the pump ON A 60PSI BASE?
So, if the numbers still serve correct on that chart...and I have a 255 in the tank on a 60psi base, then I should be flowing right around 225lph?
Now, the constants in this that are giving me my ROUGH numbers have nothing to do with the pump lph or capabilities each have, but the base psi range of the table and the same universal volt increase...a volt is a volt...and I dont know if a volt makes more power on the bigger pump or opposite the smaller pump makes more power with increase?...but with not knowing that...I would assume that the table will serve for measurements for both pumps...
Remember...Im referencing my lph increase compared to the voltage increase, which is based upon the results of the 340 running on 60psi base with 17 volts (approx) putting out 433lph.
So all this come to a close with, and if im on the right track or not...excuse me...just trying to understand..
I have 255lph pump with a BAP and a 60psi base system. According to chart I flow approx 225lph on my base...If I follow the constants on the graph as far as lph:voltage increasing 1 volt = approx 70lph...Im running BAP at full out which is 50% increase in voltage, which is full out for the KB BAP approx 17volts. That should give me a 210lph increase from simply applying ROUGHLY 3 volts additional to the base 225 @ 60psi base?
That means at the end of this...an Aeromotive 340, single pump (according to Aeromotive in the previous posts) yields a wopping 434lph on 17.59 volts @ 60psi
Then...does that mean if I apply that same scaling to my 255lph on my settings with the voltage increase that I can add the same additional 210lph on top of my 225lph pumping abilities on my 60psi system? That would give me a wopping 435lph approx. Math works compared to the table and the constants...but Im sure there is more in there...but it seems pretty cut and dry...
Or is it as simply as taking my Walbro 255lph which pumps @ 225lph on 60psi base and multiplying it by .50 (50%) ?? That would give me the full bump in volts from 14 to 17 from the BAP approx...and put me in the 337lph range if that's the case...which is probable as well!
Just want to understand...
Thanks guys
Please tell me if Im off on how Im looking at this...
It appears after seeing the chart at the beginning of the thread and comparing the different pumps at different psi ranges and what the 340 does as voltage is increased....
I got that basically and once again ROUGHLY...that going from a base 14 volts to the pump at 60psi (my base) all the way up to 17.59 (17) that the 340 flowed a nice 433lph?
with that said..if math and ROUGH figures serve me right...then there is approx. a 70lph increase for every 1 volt added from the standard operating area of 14 volts ROUGHLY to the pump ON A 60PSI BASE?
So, if the numbers still serve correct on that chart...and I have a 255 in the tank on a 60psi base, then I should be flowing right around 225lph?
Now, the constants in this that are giving me my ROUGH numbers have nothing to do with the pump lph or capabilities each have, but the base psi range of the table and the same universal volt increase...a volt is a volt...and I dont know if a volt makes more power on the bigger pump or opposite the smaller pump makes more power with increase?...but with not knowing that...I would assume that the table will serve for measurements for both pumps...
Remember...Im referencing my lph increase compared to the voltage increase, which is based upon the results of the 340 running on 60psi base with 17 volts (approx) putting out 433lph.
So all this come to a close with, and if im on the right track or not...excuse me...just trying to understand..
I have 255lph pump with a BAP and a 60psi base system. According to chart I flow approx 225lph on my base...If I follow the constants on the graph as far as lph:voltage increasing 1 volt = approx 70lph...Im running BAP at full out which is 50% increase in voltage, which is full out for the KB BAP approx 17volts. That should give me a 210lph increase from simply applying ROUGHLY 3 volts additional to the base 225 @ 60psi base?
That means at the end of this...an Aeromotive 340, single pump (according to Aeromotive in the previous posts) yields a wopping 434lph on 17.59 volts @ 60psi
Then...does that mean if I apply that same scaling to my 255lph on my settings with the voltage increase that I can add the same additional 210lph on top of my 225lph pumping abilities on my 60psi system? That would give me a wopping 435lph approx. Math works compared to the table and the constants...but Im sure there is more in there...but it seems pretty cut and dry...
Or is it as simply as taking my Walbro 255lph which pumps @ 225lph on 60psi base and multiplying it by .50 (50%) ?? That would give me the full bump in volts from 14 to 17 from the BAP approx...and put me in the 337lph range if that's the case...which is probable as well!
Just want to understand...
Thanks guys
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03-15-2011, 11:18 PM
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First,
the rated flow is at 13.5v. not 14 making it an increase of 4.09 volts not 3.
Second,
that would be 22.738386 lph per volt, not 70 lph {(433lph -340lph)/4.09}
third,
By taking the 340's flow increase, from 13.5v and 17.59v (93 lph) and adding it to the 255lph @ 17.59, you get 348. This is assuming the flow increase matches that of the 340.
This is only 8lph more than what the new 340 flows at 13.5 v
Lastly,
The advertised flow rates are not 60 psi. but closer to 40 psi.
As the charts clearly show, flow will decrease when pressure (psi) increases.
the rated flow is at 13.5v. not 14 making it an increase of 4.09 volts not 3.
Second,
that would be 22.738386 lph per volt, not 70 lph {(433lph -340lph)/4.09}
third,
By taking the 340's flow increase, from 13.5v and 17.59v (93 lph) and adding it to the 255lph @ 17.59, you get 348. This is assuming the flow increase matches that of the 340.
This is only 8lph more than what the new 340 flows at 13.5 v
Lastly,
The advertised flow rates are not 60 psi. but closer to 40 psi.
As the charts clearly show, flow will decrease when pressure (psi) increases.
03-16-2011, 11:28 AM
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First,
the rated flow is at 13.5v. not 14 making it an increase of 4.09 volts not 3.
Second,
that would be 22.738386 lph per volt, not 70 lph {(433lph -340lph)/4.09}
third,
By taking the 340's flow increase, from 13.5v and 17.59v (93 lph) and adding it to the 255lph @ 17.59, you get 348. This is assuming the flow increase matches that of the 340.
This is only 8lph more than what the new 340 flows at 13.5 v
Lastly,
The advertised flow rates are not 60 psi. but closer to 40 psi.
As the charts clearly show, flow will decrease when pressure (psi) increases.
the rated flow is at 13.5v. not 14 making it an increase of 4.09 volts not 3.
Second,
that would be 22.738386 lph per volt, not 70 lph {(433lph -340lph)/4.09}
third,
By taking the 340's flow increase, from 13.5v and 17.59v (93 lph) and adding it to the 255lph @ 17.59, you get 348. This is assuming the flow increase matches that of the 340.
This is only 8lph more than what the new 340 flows at 13.5 v
Lastly,
The advertised flow rates are not 60 psi. but closer to 40 psi.
As the charts clearly show, flow will decrease when pressure (psi) increases.
03-20-2011, 09:40 PM
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I've been working on my fuel pump install and I've reached a hurdle I can't get over. I want to upgrade the wiring in side the tank but I can't find any 14g Teflon, silver coated wire anywhere locally. I find it on line but I don't want to buy 2 rolls of 2 different colors just to use a 12-18" or so of each. If the harness that came with the kit was longer I could use it but it's not. If I can't find any wire is short lengths, I'd just splice the aeromotive harness in to the stock wiring but my kit didn't come with fuel resistant butt connectors like the walbro kits come with and I can't seem to find any of those connectors or fuel resistant shrink wrap either...
Any one know where I can get some short lengths of wire from?
EDIT: Never mind.....http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...4#ht_872wt_905
^^^ I found some....
Any one know where I can get some short lengths of wire from?
EDIT: Never mind.....http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...4#ht_872wt_905
^^^ I found some....
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03-20-2011, 10:34 PM
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I've been working on my fuel pump install and I've reached a hurdle I can't get over. I want to upgrade the wiring in side the tank but I can't find any 14g Teflon, silver coated wire anywhere locally. I find it on line but I don't want to buy 2 rolls of 2 different colors just to use a 12-18" or so of each. If the harness that came with the kit was longer I could use it but it's not. If I can't find any wire is short lengths, I'd just splice the aeromotive harness in to the stock wiring but my kit didn't come with fuel resistant butt connectors like the walbro kits come with and I can't seem to find any of those connectors or fuel resistant shrink wrap either...
Any one know where I can get some short lengths of wire from?
Any one know where I can get some short lengths of wire from?
- Teflon in-tank harness + proper connectors
- New upgraded bulkhead connector
- Hotwire / upgrade harness
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03-21-2011, 01:19 PM
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We will have a complete 99-02 f-body plug n' play package listed in our web store within the next couple days:
- Teflon in-tank harness + proper connectors
- New upgraded bulkhead connector
- Hotwire / upgrade harness
- Teflon in-tank harness + proper connectors
- New upgraded bulkhead connector
- Hotwire / upgrade harness
Any date estimate on a '98 plug and play harness for the Aeromotive pump?
03-25-2011, 02:31 AM
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Heavy-duty fuel pump wiring kits are now available in our web store for the 99-02 F-Body cars. These kits are designed to convert the factory fuel module wiring and connectors to the new format. This new format has double the power handling capacity over the old system. It is all 100% plug and play.
We have two versions:
FPWK-017A - Compatible with Aeromotive Stealth and other aftermarket pumps. (Positive terminal on right when pump's outlet is held at 12 o'clock.)
FPWK-017W - Compatible with Walbro, DeatschWerks DW and other aftermarket fuel pumps. (Positive terminal on left when pump's outlet is held at 12 o'clock.)
We are running an introductory promo at 15% off the kit price plus a free Racetronix t-shirt (while supplies last) using promo code "FREE-SHIRT" when you checkout of our web store.
We have two versions:
FPWK-017A - Compatible with Aeromotive Stealth and other aftermarket pumps. (Positive terminal on right when pump's outlet is held at 12 o'clock.)
FPWK-017W - Compatible with Walbro, DeatschWerks DW and other aftermarket fuel pumps. (Positive terminal on left when pump's outlet is held at 12 o'clock.)
We are running an introductory promo at 15% off the kit price plus a free Racetronix t-shirt (while supplies last) using promo code "FREE-SHIRT" when you checkout of our web store.
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03-25-2011, 09:25 AM
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[SIZE=3]Heavy-duty fuel pump wiring kits are now available in our web store for the 99-02 F-Body cars. These kits are designed to convert the factory fuel module wiring and connectors to the new format. This new format has double the power handling capacity over the old system. It is all 100% plug and play.
I hate buying stuff twice, but I only want to do the actual work once.
03-25-2011, 10:24 AM
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Another question. So is this the only harness I will need if I plan on running a single AM Stealth 340 for my turbo build? I've spoken with Jarod and it'd be sufficient enough but I need to know if this is the only thing I will need to hook it up. If so, I will be purchasing this tonight.
03-25-2011, 02:26 PM
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Another question. So is this the only harness I will need if I plan on running a single AM Stealth 340 for my turbo build? I've spoken with Jarod and it'd be sufficient enough but I need to know if this is the only thing I will need to hook it up. If so, I will be purchasing this tonight.
03-25-2011, 05:01 PM
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Question: I bought the Racetronix plug and play f-body ('99-'02) fuel pump + hotwire kit last fall (2010). Since I have yet to install either, should I just go ahead and get this upgraded hotwire setup so I only have to run the wiring once? Will it work with your standard in-tank pump?
I hate buying stuff twice, but I only want to do the actual work once.
I hate buying stuff twice, but I only want to do the actual work once.
Our new FPWK-017W kit will work with our Racetronix FPA-001 (F99) fuel pump assembly. These wiring kits are being offered b/c these new AM and DW pumps draw considerably more than the factory pump and exceed the current rating of the factory wiring and module connectors.
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