Some RAM questions
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Some RAM questions 1. On a low mileage street/occasional strip car what is the advantage to a billet flywheel over just re-surfacing mine?
2. Why do they list a 3/8" bolt kit ($18) and a 3/8" stud kit ($116)?
3. Do I need either if keeping stock flywheel?
4. What is the disc shim kit for if you use an adjustable MC?
5. Does the VDS Clutch System ($939) come with EVERYTHING I need?
Thanks for your help.
Mike
2. Why do they list a 3/8" bolt kit ($18) and a 3/8" stud kit ($116)?
3. Do I need either if keeping stock flywheel?
4. What is the disc shim kit for if you use an adjustable MC?
5. Does the VDS Clutch System ($939) come with EVERYTHING I need?
Thanks for your help.
Mike
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Re: Some RAM questions Re: Some RAM questions Well, i'll through this out for all to enjoy
I have a high milage, street and strip car. I have yet to get the billet flywheel, and don't think i will.
The first 402/6130 combo i had lasted 9k miles. The pressure plate showed much more wear than the stock resurfaced flywheel.
So i stayed w/ the stocker when i installed the next RAM clutch.
The stud kit is for their flywheel. You will have to drill out 3 of the holes on the pressure plate if you keep the stock flywheel. Not a big deal if you have a hand drill, they don't need to go much bigger.
the shim kit is if you wish to adjust the clamping force of the disc.
I just got the disc and plate, stock flywheel and modded my master to be adjustable. $350 + $40 for a resurf.
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I have a high milage, street and strip car. I have yet to get the billet flywheel, and don't think i will.
The first 402/6130 combo i had lasted 9k miles. The pressure plate showed much more wear than the stock resurfaced flywheel.
So i stayed w/ the stocker when i installed the next RAM clutch.
The stud kit is for their flywheel. You will have to drill out 3 of the holes on the pressure plate if you keep the stock flywheel. Not a big deal if you have a hand drill, they don't need to go much bigger.
the shim kit is if you wish to adjust the clamping force of the disc.
I just got the disc and plate, stock flywheel and modded my master to be adjustable. $350 + $40 for a resurf.
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Re: Some RAM questions So Harlan... Are you running the VDS pressure plate that allows you to replace the friction ring w/ 6000 series disc?
And all you have to do is enlarge 3 existing holes to get the pressure plate to mate up? By the way... can you e mail me where you got the two items for only 350? Thanks. Send to anthony@stangnet.com
I was origianly going to go with the whole kit minus hydraulics (I've got a cheaper source for that) but now I'm rethinking it... sounds like you have a winner. Besides, I'm 'only' planning on 500RWHP, 500RWTQ, give or take 25 points.
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And all you have to do is enlarge 3 existing holes to get the pressure plate to mate up? By the way... can you e mail me where you got the two items for only 350? Thanks. Send to anthony@stangnet.com
I was origianly going to go with the whole kit minus hydraulics (I've got a cheaper source for that) but now I'm rethinking it... sounds like you have a winner. Besides, I'm 'only' planning on 500RWHP, 500RWTQ, give or take 25 points.
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(don't drink and drive!)
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Re: Some RAM questions Yes <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
The "VDS" plate is just the 402, 11" diaphram pressure plate. Yes you can replace the friction ring, but....
the replacement ring is in the range of $110, while a new, complete, plate is $150. and, often the ring is a special order part, while the plate is a standard stock piece.
yes, enlarge 3 holes. The plate is setup for standard small block 3/8" bolts. The LS1 flywheel uses 10mm bolts.
You can get the parts from summit <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
RAM-402 - $149.95
RAM-6130 - $175.99
The "VDS" plate is just the 402, 11" diaphram pressure plate. Yes you can replace the friction ring, but....
the replacement ring is in the range of $110, while a new, complete, plate is $150. and, often the ring is a special order part, while the plate is a standard stock piece.
yes, enlarge 3 holes. The plate is setup for standard small block 3/8" bolts. The LS1 flywheel uses 10mm bolts.
You can get the parts from summit <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
RAM-402 - $149.95
RAM-6130 - $175.99
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Re: Some RAM questions Harlan-
If I understand you; I could buy the 6130, 402 and get a 2001 slave and a modified master (or mod mine) then I will be reusing all the fasteners and just drilling 3 holes slightly larger? That makes for about $580 if I added right plus about $40 to resurface my flywheel. That price includes a new MC and a new slave. Sounds good to me! <img src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" />
If I understand you; I could buy the 6130, 402 and get a 2001 slave and a modified master (or mod mine) then I will be reusing all the fasteners and just drilling 3 holes slightly larger? That makes for about $580 if I added right plus about $40 to resurface my flywheel. That price includes a new MC and a new slave. Sounds good to me! <img src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" />
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Re: Some RAM questions I guess I'd like to reiterate Quickdraw's question...so do we, or do we not have to buy any other misc. items such as 'stud kits' to install it properly? Too bad Summit doesn't sell the iron sintered disc. <img src="images/icons/frown.gif" border="0">
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Re: Some RAM questions If you don't plan on making the power that Harlan is making, you could always use the 300 series disc. It's cheaper than the 6130 disc. I got the 310 and the 402pp for $305. Total for parts, resurfacing was about $350.
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Re: Some RAM questions Harlan...the official RAM clucth advisor. Hehe. <img src="images/icons/grin.gif" border="0"> How often do you think you'll have to change out your flywheel due to the very agressive disc you're running? BTW, I am going to try to visit Mike Norcia at RAM cluches (about 5 mins. from my house) and talk to him. If I find out any interesting info I'll pass it on to the board.
Re: Some RAM questions You can get the Iron Disc from Summit. Part #Ram-910. You have to a search and put the part # in then click go and then it will list it. You can also get the Ram-980 from them. This disc has the Iron on PP side and Organic Flyweel side. This would be a good Disc for those using stock flywheel.
Re: Some RAM questions [quote]Originally posted by NB99Z:
<strong>...This would be a good Disc for those using stock flywheel.</strong><hr></blockquote>
From following the postings, Harlan's setup works quite well with the stock flywheel. I was going aftermarket until I learned his held up. I duplicated his clutch setup along with fabricating the adjustable master. Only have a few hundred miles on mine, but it is great. Chatter is very controllable with some rpm - matter of fact I had no chatter at first and just minor chatter now.
Can't imagine anyone putting a lesser clutch in their high performance car.
<strong>...This would be a good Disc for those using stock flywheel.</strong><hr></blockquote>
From following the postings, Harlan's setup works quite well with the stock flywheel. I was going aftermarket until I learned his held up. I duplicated his clutch setup along with fabricating the adjustable master. Only have a few hundred miles on mine, but it is great. Chatter is very controllable with some rpm - matter of fact I had no chatter at first and just minor chatter now.
Can't imagine anyone putting a lesser clutch in their high performance car.
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Re: Some RAM questions [quote]Originally posted by NB99Z:
<strong>You can get the Iron Disc from Summit. Part #Ram-910. You can also get the Ram-980 from them. This disc has the Iron on PP side and Organic Flyweel side. This would be a good Disc for those using stock flywheel.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Whoa. I did not know that. Something I will be considering.
<strong>You can get the Iron Disc from Summit. Part #Ram-910. You can also get the Ram-980 from them. This disc has the Iron on PP side and Organic Flyweel side. This would be a good Disc for those using stock flywheel.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Whoa. I did not know that. Something I will be considering.