My experience w/ Strange Engineering
I've got a Strange 12 bolt, 3.73's. Never had a problem... excellent product, delivery was 2 weeks as promised. This almost sounds like a "Clutch" thread..... same thing different part. Good luck to you.
I had a Moser 12 bolt and it sucked. It whinned so bad your ears felt like they needed to pop and it would give you a headach, and you couldnt even hear the passenger from day one . The 4 bolt torque arm mount was a huge problem. My bolts didnt loosen up they totaly ripped apart. Also the customer service was not the best.
I was hoping that strange would be better.
This talk about pussies and their gear noise,I have no real response other than-give me a break. I paid 2500 for my rearend . If moser or strange cant setup gears properly than they need to start and different business. You dont pay that much money for an improperly setup rearend period.
Also race parts in a street car, these are not nessecarily race parts. Why are they not street parts? You can classify them either way. Ive done many race cars that could easily be called fast street cars without all the whines and rattles.
SJM-wow I love how you are defending Strange to end. You must sell alot of their parts and dont want people to think badly of them and cut into your profits. That is the only reasonable explination for you writing so much on their behalf. Im not debating your answers or your ideas on business. Also I always love your debates on the wheel forum on how there is no comparison on your wheels "bogarts" to welds or any other lower cost wheels, and how much better your wheels are. In fact Bogart says that if you drive their wheels on the street they have a good chance of bending because they are made from a lighter softer alloy. I would only pay the extra money because Bogarts in my opinion are better lookin wheels. The weight savings in my opinion dont justify double the cost.
Now that is my opinion which alot of you wont like but thats what the internet is for right HAHA.
I was hoping that strange would be better.
This talk about pussies and their gear noise,I have no real response other than-give me a break. I paid 2500 for my rearend . If moser or strange cant setup gears properly than they need to start and different business. You dont pay that much money for an improperly setup rearend period.
Also race parts in a street car, these are not nessecarily race parts. Why are they not street parts? You can classify them either way. Ive done many race cars that could easily be called fast street cars without all the whines and rattles.
SJM-wow I love how you are defending Strange to end. You must sell alot of their parts and dont want people to think badly of them and cut into your profits. That is the only reasonable explination for you writing so much on their behalf. Im not debating your answers or your ideas on business. Also I always love your debates on the wheel forum on how there is no comparison on your wheels "bogarts" to welds or any other lower cost wheels, and how much better your wheels are. In fact Bogart says that if you drive their wheels on the street they have a good chance of bending because they are made from a lighter softer alloy. I would only pay the extra money because Bogarts in my opinion are better lookin wheels. The weight savings in my opinion dont justify double the cost.
Now that is my opinion which alot of you wont like but thats what the internet is for right HAHA.
GTFormula,
I think you are misunderstanding my statements. I am not defending Moser or Strange by giving excuses. To state that I want to cut into profits of selling Strange components is ridiculous. We ONLY sell one other company products that we do not design or manufacture, that is Strange. We do so since they marry so well with the parts we design and work with. If I've felt that Strange Engineering sold inferior products or did not support their products, I would not consider selling their components. We can use any companies rear-ends, we choose to include their products with ours for customers.
To state that Moser or Strange employee’s do not understand and implement the ability to correctly setup a rear-end I feel is far from the truth. They certainly are competent to correctly set a rear end up. They do this everyday and multiple times daily I’d imagine. They have the expertise and experience to perform these tasks. Can one of them make mistakes when setting one up…sure they can. The more they do, the higher the probably from a statistical perspective that you will see this. If a company produces a product and has a 1% rate of opportunity, if you sell 100 of these, then 1 could have errors. Produce 1000, then 10 may need re-evaluated.
Why did I even come into this post…figured that I could enlighten a few folks being that I am in the manufacturing business as well... Engineering and design as well as management are my areas of expertise as well as educational background. I figured some would like to hear from the “other” side of the equation.
Why aren’t you guys even considering the fact that other possibilities exist. None of the companies produce the gears, this seems to be the major complaint, why not consider the possibility that on occasion there is additional runnout or other manufacturing probabilities that exist that neither Strange or Moser has any input?
Wheels, first off, our wheels I do state quite often there are definitive and measurable differences between our Bogart wheels and economy wheels. I also do state that weld manufactures high-end wheels that are absolutely incredible. Welds high-end wheels are in the same category as our wheels; though you don’t hear folks complain that they are very expensive and actually more expensive in many cases. They are also still not custom designed for the application.
We NEVER state that our wheels are made from softer or lighter materials, nor do we state if you drive them on the street they have a good chance of bending due to the materials use…actually our Bogart wheels are solution treated and heat treated and very durable. To brittle of material isn’t always a good thing also…whole different topic there…so I’ll just leave it at that.
High-end materials among 6061 T6 treating is used in many of our designs. …Same materials seen in many high-end wheels (certainly used abroad in high-end street wheels as well). Drag wheels PERIOD should not be used on the street, weld and centerline included. The simple fact, ALL are built for drag use and one main purpose, to race not for daily street use driving all over the place placing high stress loads that they are not built to take! For that matter, BOTH state not to use them on the street AND indicate this in large writing “for drag use only”.
Let’s touch base for a minute regarding failure rate; certainly neither our wheels nor any other drag wheel is impervious to failure. The history we have on EVERY F-body design since I started production ~5 years ago is close to 0%. We’ve got offhand less then 10 folks off the top of my head that has damaged a wheel. (this includes accidents, hitting a wall, or misuse etc) This is from EVERY one we’ve had produced from EVERY late model F-body.
Let’s touch on weight differences and cost from a low-end wheel to a high-end wheel such as ours or I’ll include welds so you don’t think I’m biased on my opinion. Fact is, when you run a lower end wheel that is heavy i.e. prostar, in comparison to a high-end drag wheel you’re LEAVING a converted static weight of a min. of 50 lbs!! So the cost difference between a low-end prostar and our wheels or even high-end weld wheels i.e. alumastar 2’s can be justified rather easily. You see folks spend 500.00 on a K-member to save 35 lbs…but then leave 50 lbs of weight left over from purchasing economy wheels. Our wheels are not for everyone, but as I’ve indicated, there are measurable differences that CAN matter if you research more into what is being purchased. It comes down to how far a person is willing to go to meet their goals.
This was a lot of writing for your reading pleasure (or pain)…I’m so done with this thread. Feel free to continue your complaint section. Simple fact is things happen, if the company works with within reasonable requests, then that is what matters in the end. When you go to wallmart, buy a product that happens to be broken, do you bitch about it, ask for gas money since you had to go back and forth to return it...ask for the product for free now since you feel taken...
Good luck guys.
I think you are misunderstanding my statements. I am not defending Moser or Strange by giving excuses. To state that I want to cut into profits of selling Strange components is ridiculous. We ONLY sell one other company products that we do not design or manufacture, that is Strange. We do so since they marry so well with the parts we design and work with. If I've felt that Strange Engineering sold inferior products or did not support their products, I would not consider selling their components. We can use any companies rear-ends, we choose to include their products with ours for customers.
To state that Moser or Strange employee’s do not understand and implement the ability to correctly setup a rear-end I feel is far from the truth. They certainly are competent to correctly set a rear end up. They do this everyday and multiple times daily I’d imagine. They have the expertise and experience to perform these tasks. Can one of them make mistakes when setting one up…sure they can. The more they do, the higher the probably from a statistical perspective that you will see this. If a company produces a product and has a 1% rate of opportunity, if you sell 100 of these, then 1 could have errors. Produce 1000, then 10 may need re-evaluated.
Why did I even come into this post…figured that I could enlighten a few folks being that I am in the manufacturing business as well... Engineering and design as well as management are my areas of expertise as well as educational background. I figured some would like to hear from the “other” side of the equation.
Why aren’t you guys even considering the fact that other possibilities exist. None of the companies produce the gears, this seems to be the major complaint, why not consider the possibility that on occasion there is additional runnout or other manufacturing probabilities that exist that neither Strange or Moser has any input?
Wheels, first off, our wheels I do state quite often there are definitive and measurable differences between our Bogart wheels and economy wheels. I also do state that weld manufactures high-end wheels that are absolutely incredible. Welds high-end wheels are in the same category as our wheels; though you don’t hear folks complain that they are very expensive and actually more expensive in many cases. They are also still not custom designed for the application.
We NEVER state that our wheels are made from softer or lighter materials, nor do we state if you drive them on the street they have a good chance of bending due to the materials use…actually our Bogart wheels are solution treated and heat treated and very durable. To brittle of material isn’t always a good thing also…whole different topic there…so I’ll just leave it at that.
High-end materials among 6061 T6 treating is used in many of our designs. …Same materials seen in many high-end wheels (certainly used abroad in high-end street wheels as well). Drag wheels PERIOD should not be used on the street, weld and centerline included. The simple fact, ALL are built for drag use and one main purpose, to race not for daily street use driving all over the place placing high stress loads that they are not built to take! For that matter, BOTH state not to use them on the street AND indicate this in large writing “for drag use only”.
Let’s touch base for a minute regarding failure rate; certainly neither our wheels nor any other drag wheel is impervious to failure. The history we have on EVERY F-body design since I started production ~5 years ago is close to 0%. We’ve got offhand less then 10 folks off the top of my head that has damaged a wheel. (this includes accidents, hitting a wall, or misuse etc) This is from EVERY one we’ve had produced from EVERY late model F-body.
Let’s touch on weight differences and cost from a low-end wheel to a high-end wheel such as ours or I’ll include welds so you don’t think I’m biased on my opinion. Fact is, when you run a lower end wheel that is heavy i.e. prostar, in comparison to a high-end drag wheel you’re LEAVING a converted static weight of a min. of 50 lbs!! So the cost difference between a low-end prostar and our wheels or even high-end weld wheels i.e. alumastar 2’s can be justified rather easily. You see folks spend 500.00 on a K-member to save 35 lbs…but then leave 50 lbs of weight left over from purchasing economy wheels. Our wheels are not for everyone, but as I’ve indicated, there are measurable differences that CAN matter if you research more into what is being purchased. It comes down to how far a person is willing to go to meet their goals.
This was a lot of writing for your reading pleasure (or pain)…I’m so done with this thread. Feel free to continue your complaint section. Simple fact is things happen, if the company works with within reasonable requests, then that is what matters in the end. When you go to wallmart, buy a product that happens to be broken, do you bitch about it, ask for gas money since you had to go back and forth to return it...ask for the product for free now since you feel taken...
Good luck guys.
Once again, for the record, Strange fk'd up the the build on my third member not once but TWICE. They are bastards to deal with and I will tell my tale of woe with Strange to whoever will listen. They messed with the wrong guy when they stuck it to me.
Originally Posted by Justa Z
i have a moser 9" an i love it, it does make noise but its a 9" and my car is gutted so i cant complain. Moding street cars with race car parts can be a pain in the *** but when everything is done it will all be worth it
like i stated before i always have a expert (not necessarily a certified mechanic) in race cars setup my pre-fabbed parts or built motors...
i always have this guy go through my rears or my motors or a set of heads... you'd be suprised what the guy finds and what he doesnt find.... its always a good idea to have your expensive pieces checked out before installing them...
my 12 bolt for instance i had a guy go through and he ended up resetting the gears to his liking and its been great the whole 20k+ miles i've had it...
as we speak he is going through a 408 that a sponsor built and to say the least im not happy with the way some of the main bearings fit... but thats what you find when shops put together 100's of these pieces...
its like saying you've never screwed up on the job
to think that every part you get will be perfect.
i always have this guy go through my rears or my motors or a set of heads... you'd be suprised what the guy finds and what he doesnt find.... its always a good idea to have your expensive pieces checked out before installing them...
my 12 bolt for instance i had a guy go through and he ended up resetting the gears to his liking and its been great the whole 20k+ miles i've had it...
as we speak he is going through a 408 that a sponsor built and to say the least im not happy with the way some of the main bearings fit... but thats what you find when shops put together 100's of these pieces...
its like saying you've never screwed up on the job
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This is the reason I havent ordered a S60 juuuuuuuust yet... majority of the sponsors here are just middle men for Strange when you order.
Id like to order from DLS, who sets up the S60s before they go out. However... after 3 attempts by phone in 3 days and leaving 2 messages, a couple emails, and even a PM here... I havent been able to get ahold of DLS. Pretty discouraging.. but Im hoping I hear back within the next couple days, if not someone else will get my $2000+.
Id like to order from DLS, who sets up the S60s before they go out. However... after 3 attempts by phone in 3 days and leaving 2 messages, a couple emails, and even a PM here... I havent been able to get ahold of DLS. Pretty discouraging.. but Im hoping I hear back within the next couple days, if not someone else will get my $2000+.
Originally Posted by Avengeance
This is the reason I havent ordered a S60 juuuuuuuust yet... majority of the sponsors here are just middle men for Strange when you order.
Id like to order from DLS, who sets up the S60s before they go out. However... after 3 attempts by phone in 3 days and leaving 2 messages, a couple emails, and even a PM here... I havent been able to get ahold of DLS. Pretty discouraging.. but Im hoping I hear back within the next couple days, if not someone else will get my $2000+.
Id like to order from DLS, who sets up the S60s before they go out. However... after 3 attempts by phone in 3 days and leaving 2 messages, a couple emails, and even a PM here... I havent been able to get ahold of DLS. Pretty discouraging.. but Im hoping I hear back within the next couple days, if not someone else will get my $2000+.
Originally Posted by slmdLS1
dont hold your breath, i did the same..."to the t", and dont think he even read my email or pm, or this thread for that matter.
Just a couple months ago I had no problems getting Scott in PMs at least.... I know hes busy but in my phone messages I plainly stated I wanted ask a few Q and then either order a 9" or S60 right then based on the answers to my Qs.
I REALLY dont want to buy a rear end thats coming drop shipped from the manufacturer.
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My .02
Strange rear-ends are still better than Moser. You just got a rear-end that makes a little noise thats all. It took me two brand new FLP trannies before it worked. The first one leaked, they sent me a new one right out. It happens.
My Strange 12 bolt is 4 1/2 years old, I beat the crap out of it daily, and its still 100% silent just like stock. Some are quiet, some aren't.
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Strange rear-ends are still better than Moser. You just got a rear-end that makes a little noise thats all. It took me two brand new FLP trannies before it worked. The first one leaked, they sent me a new one right out. It happens.
My Strange 12 bolt is 4 1/2 years old, I beat the crap out of it daily, and its still 100% silent just like stock. Some are quiet, some aren't.
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My 12 bolt is a whiner but she holds great with 5k clutch dumps on ET streets. going to replace wheel bearings in her over the winter to quiet it down. I like the strength of it. I never think about breaking the axle.
